Philadelphia Experiement

         Aliens, Time-Travel and Wormholes Interview: Al Bielek

                    INTERVIEW: Al Bielek Conducted by

                          Susanne Konicov from

                        CONNECTING LINK Issue 19

I have heard Al Bielek speak on the "Philadelphia Experiment " at
several expos over the last two years. The material he presents is both
astounding and appalling! Last September, at the Los Angeles Whole Life
Expo, Al consented to do an interview for Connecting Link.

First you will read Alls account of the years leading up to the
"Philadelphia Experiment. " Then, for the first time in any magazine, Al
shares further information on other, less known experiments that
continue to this day. Experiments that took place, and apparently, still
do, at Montauk, Long Island.

Alfred Bielek was born on August 4, 1916 as Edward A. Cameron II, son of
Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr.

My father (Alexander Duncan Cameron, Sr.) enlisted in the U.S. Navy
prior to the U.S. entry into World War 1. He sired me and later A.
Duncan Cameron, Jr. (May 1917), by different mothers.

Both Duncan and 1, as half-brothers, were raised largely by Aunt Arnold
in the Big House, still in West Islip, Long Island (father remained in
the Navy until 1930, when he was retired with a pension). Since there
was no lack of money (due to the Arnold/Constable Department Store
fortune), Duncan Jr. and I (upon completion of high school) attended
different universities. I went first to Princeton, and later to Harvard,
obtaining a Ph.D. in physics. Duncan attended the University of
Edinborough (Edinborough, Scotland), also obtaining a Ph.D. in physics,
in the summer of 1939.

In September of 1939, both Duncan and I enlisted in the U.S. Navy-taking
commissions as Lt. (J.G.) and then attending a 90-day training school
for "Special Assignment" Navy personnel at Providence, Rhode Island.

With completion of training, we were both assigned to the Institute of
Advanced Study (Princeton, N.J.) and directly to the ongoing "Project
Invisibility."

With a completely successful test in 1940 (Brooklyn Navy Yard) , the
project was classified and renamed "Project Rainbow." Offices were set
up in the Philadelphia Navy Yard. Duncan and I both shuttled back and
forth between Philadelphia and Princeton.

In January 1941, we were sent to sea for sea duty on the U.S.S.
Pennsylvania. We toured the Pacific until October 194 1, when the
Pennsylvania was put in dry dock at Pearl Harbor. After taking leave in
San Francisco and remaining there through December 1941, we were
returned to the Institute early in January 1942. We worked on the
project through 1942-Nikola Tesla dropped out in March 1942, and Dr.
John Von Neumann took over at that time.

Duncan and I remained with the Project through the two tests in 1943
with the "Eldridge." The second test, August 12, 1943, was a total
disaster, with many casualties and with Duncan disappearing permanently.

I remained with the Navy and married in late 1943. A son, Jess, was bom
in February 1944. In July 1944, the family and I were transferred to Los
Alamos, New Mexico, where I remained until July 2, 1947. At that time I
was forcibly removed and separated from my family-never to see them
again.

With charges of espionage placed against me, I expected a General Court
Marshal. Instead I was transferred to Washington, D. C., whereupon
charges were dropped and I was transferred to Montauk, L.I. military
base (Fort Hero). From that point I was time shifted to 1983, back in
the Phoenix Project. Once there, I was given a super brainwashing-all
memory was removed. Additionally, I was age regressed (reduction of
physical age and size from a 30-year old to approximately I year of age)
and then, at a physical age of I year, sent back in time to 1927 to be
plugged into a new family as a substitute for a dead son. This new
family- the Bieleks-became my only known parents for over half a
century!

With the advent of World War II, I was drafted into the Navy in 1945 (a
second tour) as a seaman until 1946. After separating from the service,
I tried a business venture (it failed) and went on to college (1949-
1950) in Newark, New Jersey, and later to UCLA. A career followed as an
electronic engineer (1958-1988), with retirement in 1988.

With the retum of my memories, in May 1986, of the Phoenix Project and
of the Philadelphia Experiment (Project Rainbow) in January 1988, 1 have
engaged in extensive lecturing and writing on the subject of The
Philadelphia Experiment, its ramifications and the follow-on Project
Phoenix, and the incredible consequences of the lockup through time.

CONNECTING LINK: Tell me about the Phoenix Project.

AL BIELEK. I'll deal with the final phase of the Phoenix Project and
some of the aspects involved. I joined the project in 1953 as Al Bielek.
I did what the book The Montauk Project[1] points out, the computer
interface between the psychic chair used to steer the time tunnels in
the final phase of the operations. Those earlier phases were very
difficult-they didn't work right and they had many problems. But, I
became involved as Al Bielek. Preston Nichols became involved as Preston
Nichols, and Duncan Cameron became involved as Duncan Cameron, in his
second body, not remembering anything about his involvement with the
Philadelphia Experiment.

The project generated the time tunnels. People were able to travel in
time and space and they did. But they also had other projects going on
at Montauk. We still don't know all of them.

The technology for the tunnels was given to us by cooperative effort of
alien groups, primarily the Orion group, which involved reptilians, a
sub group called the Leverons. A technical group which provided most of
the assistance, was the group from Sirius A. Very materialistic,
scientific, people. Perhaps not a bad heart but misdirected, because
they had very long-term contracts with the Orions to provide them with
the technical knowledge and assistance they needed. And they were
working with our govenment in secret to work out mindcontrol techniques
and technology and pushing for a highly automated, technical society
which would be much easier to control than it would be the way it is
now. But we're approaching that rapidly.

Also there were a lot of little greys that got underfoot. There were
other groups there who took no part in the project, but were there as
observersand the group from Antares, very human, very happy, jovial
people. You couldn't tell them from a human spirit. In fact, I don't
think you could anatomically either. Why they were there, I don't know.
They didn't do anything. They were observers.

But the aliens provided the expertise, the hardware. They convened it
from their computer data to IBM 360. That still didn't work and that's
when other changes were made. I became heavily involved in making the
time tunnel system work. It was alien technology. We did not have the
theory. We did have the capability, the technological expertise to build
the hardware, and we did, to their specifications.

ITT was a contractor. This was all under "Black Card" clearance level,
which is about the highest level of clearance there is, and most people
don't even know it exists. And this means, in essence, that it is such a
deep Black Hole project that all the records, everything connected with
it, is buried in a black vault and nobody has access to this without
having the proper clearance and a need to know. This includes purchasing
departments who buy the hardware for these projects. The records for the
sales, purchase, everything, buried in the black vault. So nobody can
find it. This is why they call it a Black Hole project. There are many,
many of these. This is one of them.

The tunnels became fully operational about '77 after many changes. About
'79 on they got all the results they wanted. Until August 12,1983, at
night, when the project was deliberately crashed. Sabotaged from the
inside. That's covered in the book. But prior to that what they did was
unbelievable.

One of the uses of the Phoenix Project, in the use of Time Tunnels, was
to provide backup to the Martian Colonies. The Martian Colonies have
been there since the early '70s. We went publicly to the moon in 1969.
Actually the Germans were there in 1947. And we were there in 1962 with
a joint U.S.-Russian expedition. They went to Mars, May 22, 1962. The
movie, Altenative 3, done by Anglia Television, April 1, 1977, which is
available in the underground, outlines it completely. It shows the
actual transmission. The color shots by TV back from Mars, as this
Explorer moved and landed. We have colonies there in Mars from the late
'60's or maybe early '70's onward. They found many artifacts there.
There is more than one wrecked city. And of course the famous face on
Mars, the Pyramids and that whole complex that Hoagland (Dr. Richard]
has talked about and gone public on. There are two videos on this plus
his book.

What they found on the surface indicated there was much more there that
they could not find that was buried. And they had not brought with them,
and did not have the capabilities of heavy earth-moving equipment on
Mars at that time. They didn't have any Cats. Big tractors and that sort
of stuff.

They were too heavy to bring up.

So, a request went by radio back to Earth, "We believe there are
underground installations here. We've seen openings that are sealed. Can
you guys down there tell us what to do?" Well, the information went to
Montauk, to the Phoenix Project. And they sent back information, "Well,
give us some coordinates on the surface of Mars where you think these
locations are." And they did. And they said, "We'll investigate it." And
they did. Because they could go anyplace with the tunnel, they went to
Mars to the coordinates.

And first they didn't send anybody. They ran a tunnel into what they
thought might be an underground area and rather than risk killing
anybody by burying them in solid rock, they sent a camera, a remote-view
camera. We found out there was an actual cavern and it was safe and then
Montauk sent people. Duncan and I were in that crew. The first crew that
went, directed by Montauk to explore the underground of Mars. It's not
mentioned in the book who went, but we went. And there were probably
others. We went several times. We found all kinds of artifacts. We found
a still functional underground lighting system, a power system. We found
it and turned it on and it still worked. No evidence of life. A lot of
artifacts, files, records, religious artifacts, statuary, all stored
like it was a store room. A huge store room.

CL: Was the written material in English?

AB: No. It was in another language. It was not English. Duncan was able
to translate some of it. I saw it, but I was not able to translate it.
And a lot of the records and stuff were brought back. And eventually
Duncan and I decided to take some clandestine trips on our own. (After
one trip is made, it's all recorded. All the coordinates and information
which are required to operate the system is recorded on magnetic tape.
And you can take this tape, plug it into the computer, and without going
through the psychic and the chair number*, you can open the tunnel to
the same location because the computer contains all the celestial data-
all the Earth movements, solar system movements, all in the computer-so
that there is complete reference to the new location where the planet
would be. And "plug" the tunnel in exactly the same location.) So we
went twice on our own for our own little explorations.

CL: And no one was manning the machine for you back home?

AB: We tumed the equipment on,

we knew how to do it. And nobody was there. On the second trip, we were
discovered because, there are automatic recorders that tell how many
times this equipment is used, and for what purpose, and what dates,
times and so forth. Automatic complete time, event recorders. So we were
caught when we came back. We were pulled off the project and slapped on
the wrist. "You're not going to do that anymore," and one of the people
who was involved, a senior scientist, broke our team up. Duncan and I
didn't do much of anything together after that but further explorations
were made by others. What they found, we don't know.

Certain people had been chosen in advance, such as myself and Duncan and
Preston to be part of this program. And the level of brainwashing
varied. Duncan was heavily programmed, brainwashed to do what he did
there because he was not being used for his technical expertise. I was
brainwashed to some extent, and Preston, very heavily.

But we were all given what you'd call the debriefing after this whole
project crashed and was formally declared over on January 1, 1984. We
all got our debriefings which means your mind was erased of everything
you ever did on the project. And they hoped it would hold indefinitely.

It didn't. The reason it did not hold indefinitely was because the site
was not destroyed. It's still there. It was tumed over to New York State
Parks Commission on January I of 1986 or sometime in January of 1986 to
become part of the park that already exists out there. The State has
never torn anything up. They've never tom a building down. They've never
opened it up as a park.

They knocked the fences down so people can go through there and hike and
camp if they want, during the day. They cannot stay ovenight without a
special permit from Montauk Township. That's not allowed and the park
rangers go in to shuttle them out.

But the property remains unconverted. Going in there, as I did, first in
August of '85 by the invite of Preston (I took Duncan with me), none of
us knew, at that time, that we had been part of the Montauk Project.
Preston, as a surplus electronics dealer, had been out there salvaging
equipment previous to this trip in August.

CL: That's where the book, The Montauk Project starts.

AB: Right. And he didn't know that he had been involved. He had no
recollection. This August trip [Preston] took us out and said "You're
both sensitives. Let's see what you pick up when we go out there." He
says, "I know you've never been there before." He didn't know, honestly,
at that point. So we went out and we sensed these terrible vibes on the
base, that something awful had been going on there. We sensed this
monster, who showed up at the end of the story, that helped in the
process of the destruction of this station.

They [Preston and Duncan] of course, had the advantage, being as I was
only visiting, and went back to Phoenix. They were there in repeatedly,
and they became aware of their involvement in the project much earlier
then I did.

I went back [to Montauk] in May of '86 and made another visit along with
a group from Phoenix sponsored by, I believe, Senator Barry Goldwater.
Because I told this group, whom I knew from December of '85, about the
project and they came out to make an investigation of possible diversion
of federal funds from a regular federal project to an illegal project.
They were looking for proof. And that was their modus operandi, their
reason for getting passes from the State of New York, from the Parks
Commission, to go on the base, into locked buildings. There were still
some locked. And find what proof, if any, as to whether this was a
diversionary project using federal funds.

We know now no federal money was involved. Major investigations have
proven this. But in the process we took a lot of pictures, and in that
same visit that time of May '86 my memory of Montauk started to come
backbecause I was visiting the site, the scene of the crime, if you
will.

CL: And it was acting as the trigger.

AB: This was the trigger. The same for Duncan, same for Preston. So my
memories came back. I knew then I was part of it. And they've been
coming back ever since because it doesn't all come back at once in a
rush.

It comes back in chunks and pieces, depending upon what the triggers are
that bring it back. But once you've punched a hole through the wall,
it's like the finger in the dike. The hole starts expanding and it keeps
expanding and eventually it will all come through.

So I knew, finally, I was heavily involved at an administrative and
engineering level in many projects. Duncan was involved in more than one
project.

Preston was the technical station master after Matthew Zaret. Professor
Zaret was removed in 1980. Really, he left at my suggestion, but they
wouldn't let him loose, so he went to the parallel project at Brentwood,
Long Island, where he died. Preston took over as the technical director,
doing all of the management. He designed and built all of the RF
transmitters and pulse modulator systems-anything dealing with RF[2] and
transmitters he is an expert at. And that was his expertise and his
normal working job, as he was employed by an aerospace company in Long
Island for fifteen years until he was fired two summers ago. He was
fired but they covered it. It was because he knew too much and talked
too much in the open, had recovered too many of his memories and was
talking about information at the USPA [United States Psychotronic
Association] conferences, more than once, which the govemment didn't
want made public. So they pulled his clearance first, and then they
canned him in July of '90 while at a USPA conference. He came back to no
job, He was told, "You're finished, pick up your stuff and leave. " And
his boss didn't even know why. His boss didn't fire him. It was
govemment manipulation.

He was an expert at designing transmitters, high-power transmitters, for
radar, for whatever. In this case, the Montauk Project, for the final
stages of a special Amplitron, which is shown in the book-there is a
photo of it. It was designed and built specially for the project by
Raytheon Electric in Goleta, Califomia.[3] I remember going out there to
approve the first shipment of tubes. They were very, very expensive and
specially built. They cost several million dollars apiece. They ordered
thousands. So you can see why the cost of this project went out of
sight. Capacitors for the pulse-forming networks and the modulator were
also specially designed to very rigid specifications. They finally got
somebody to build them. And everybody in the industry except one tumed
them down. They finally were able to build them to the specifications,
and they sold them to the govemment in matched sets of fifty at the very
small sum of twenty-five thousand dollars for each and every capacitor.
And they had a hundred on each station. A full set of fifty for two
transmitters, operational, and a full set of spares. So that was two and
a half million dollars right theretimes 25 stations!

They ran out of gold. (The project was begun with 10 billion dollars in
g old. The story of the gold is documented in the book Nazi Gold.)[3]
They ran out of money. So ITT picked up the tab.

CL: And all this technology was from the alien groups?

AB: They had cooperation from the ET's. See, they had a crashed UFO
which was deliberately crashed, by agreement with Hitler, by a certain
group of Pleiadian s. It was loaded with technology. And the reason for
crashing it was that the German High Command, if they were pushed, could
say, "Yeah we found a crashed saucer in the Bavarian Alps" or some such
place, "and we recovered it, took it apart and analyzed the technology."

It certainly wasn't made public. But the remains of that craft were
found near Peenemunde after the war was over. This was the rocket
testing base for the Germans and where Wernher Von Braun operated along
with his crew. When the war was over, he deliberately moved his group to
the west, to the Americans. And another group was captured by the
Russians, including, I believe, his professor, Herman Oberth. Of course
that is where the Russians got a head start on rocketry over the U. S. -
they had the professor who taught Wernher Von Braun!

There may have been someone else because the Russians captured quite a
number of intelligencia out of Germany when Berlin came under their
control. So the war actually received a huge boost, technologically from
the Pleiadian s. So far as deals are concerned, Roosevelt made the first
one in the U.S. in 1934, not with the

Pleiadians, who offered to help the U.S. get out of the doldrums of the
huge depression we were in, but he chose a different group for whatever
personal reasons we don't know. Called the K Group or the Kondroshkin.
It tums out, so far as I can determine today, they are the bluegreys.
Not the little greys, but a larger group called the blue-greys.

In any case, he made his deal with them. They made an offer to provide a
whole new technological base for the United States atomic energy in
1938. Roosevelt at first approved and then he tumed it down because the
military told him, "Uh uh. We can't control it from beginning to end. We
don't know what they  are going to do with it and how they may
manipulate us in the end." So they [the K-Group] disappeared in the
woodwork.

In 1943 came the Philadelphia Experiment and the lock-up with the
Phoenix Project, ripping a huge hole in space-time. This was
deliberately done by the aliens at the '83 end to put a rift in the
fabric of space-time so large numbers of aliens and ships could come
through. They all had time travel capabilities, but the rift was needed
to get the large ships through and make a mass invasion of the United
States, and later Europe, of aliens (primarily greys) and other types.
When they landed at Edwards Air Force Base in the Muroc Dry Lake as well
as another air baseI'm leaving a lot of details out-the govemment
already knew all about the aliens being on this planet. [They knew]
since 1887 with the first investigating commission under Grover
Cleveland.

In any case, they knew that they were here, but then they came en masse.
We were confronted by a technology that we couldn't counter, we couldn't
handle it, we didn't know what to do about it. So the agreement with
Eisenhower and his advisors was to sign a treaty with them, a
noninterference treaty and get what technology we could from them-make
some kind of agreement. We'd buy time and see what we could do about it
later.

That was the basis of the agreement Because of that, very large numbers
of aliens came in and eventually became part of the Phoenix Project.
They were planning ahead. We didn't know what they were up to. And I'm
looking at this in retrospect, not what we knew then. They were planning
ahead. They knew what they were doing. They maneuvered and manipulated
the Phoenix Project. They did not expect it to crash then. I am sure
they anticipate its continuing for another decade, at least into the
'90's.

However, because certain people suddenly, if you will pardon the
expression, "saw the light," got religion, or whatever it is that hit
them, Duncan, and a few others, conspired to destroy the station. And
the reason for it was that they were fed up with what they saw as all
the evils perpetrated there.

I knew about it. I decided that I would not be part of the destructive
plot. I said, "Yes, there is a lot wrong here, but we've already
straightened a lot of the mess out and we can straighten out the rest
and continue this as a research tool," as John

VonNeumann (who is still alive today by the way) wanted. He said, "It's
a research tool; we need it." Because of the time travel (remote
viewing) capabilities, he saw things coming in the future which could
cause very serious threats to the United States and the World.

But, these people had their way. They put a special implant into
Duncan's head so that when we, as the original Duncan Cameron and myself
as Edward Cameron, came through from the Philadelphia Experiment and
went through the station (for twelve hours) we were retumed to the
Elderidge; then the Elderidge retumed to '43. At that point, that phase
was over and it completed the time loop.

Then the word went out, "Now is the time" and Duncan released this thing
from his subconscious into the machine. The transmitter (which already
by that time had its own personality) created this big monster, solidly
in 3-D, twelve to fifteen feet high and [it] literally came out of the
subconscious. It went around smashing buildings and people and it was
discovered trying to break into the radar tower. The tower was much too
strong for it to break into. The only way to stop it was to destroy the
transmitter, and that's what was done. And it faded out into some other
reality. It was photographed in May of 1986.

But the final chapter on Montauk was not written. We discovered a month
ago [Aug., 1992) that Montauk was reactivated. And that's what I wanted
to get in here. We do not know who is doing it. We have seen the
evidence. New coax cable runs, new power transformers being put in on
the power substation. The new ones are labeled "non PCB." Because now
the law is that transformers can no longer be filled with PCB as a
cooling agent: if they blow up or break open it's an extreme hazard to
the environment. So they use an environmentally safe coolant-a different
form of liquid in the transformers and they have big labels on them that
say non-PCB. I have pictures of this, from my trip a month ago. There
are new coax cable runs around the base which are brand new.

The radar tower now has a new steel door where it used to be wide open
and you could walk in. They put a new steel door in with double padlocks
so you can't get in. The back garage entrance door for trucks and
delivering heavy stuff is now sealed from the inside. And we found other
evidence that shows that it's being reactivated.

Preston has been approached by the govemment to become the director of
the New Montauk project, And they told him they also want Duncan as part
of it. There are new workers there. There are new entrances to the
underground. One person we know has been through the outer door and
there is an inner locked door with a red light on it. You, have to have
special access badges or you'll be stopped.

We did not attempt to go in because we didn't feel we wanted to risk it.
And we do not know where the project may go, but we suspect that one of
the goals is to extend the time rift ('43 to '83) onward to '93 because
'93 is a subnode point in the 20-year cycle, and August, '93 will be a
very critical area again and they probably want the station activated
before August of '93. That's what we feel technically they are up to.
But what the end purpose is for we are not sure. It may be to extend the
time tunnel, that is, the time rift, for purposes of their own.

There are a lot of things on this project we don't know. Some of the
things they used it for we still don't know. We have never had access to
the classified records of Lincoln Labs at M.I.T. (Cambridge, MA).

They have not been able to take Duncan and myself out because of the
fact that we help hold the whole time rift stable. It will stabilize
itself by the year 2003 unless they reopen it. Then you have another can
of worms to deal with.

They just don't realize what risks they are running in reopening that
thing. The rift was stabilized in '63, or this North American continent
would now be under salt water. Not from the year 2000, but it would have
been in 1963. There was a special project created, now well covered, to
restabilize the reverse time wave which would have hit the forward one
in '63 at the node point and wrecked this continent.

It was due to the fact that they had this time rift, and because it was
unstable in the way it was generated (like a standing wave in an RF
transmission line). You may not understand RF theory, but you get a
reverse wave in an unterminated or improperly terminated line. Time is a
wave as well. You can have a forward time wave and you can have a
reverse time wave. If the two of equal amplitude hit each other at a
node point, which is the earth synchronization point, like August 12th,
1963, they can be extremely disruptive, physically, to the physical
structure of the earth.

And being that this project took place in the United States, on Long
island, those who looked at it in theory said it would have caused an
extreme disruption of geological matter, pulling it out of the earth, in
the North American Continent. It would have wound up wrecking the
tectonic plates, and the North American continent, other than the
mountains, would have wound up under salt water-500 to 700 feet of it by
estimate.

It didn't happen, obviously-we're here. The '63 project, "Atlanticus Not
Revisited," was successful in damping that reverse time wave. This is an
area of science and technology and physics which most people know
nothing about.

We hope that if the project is revived that it will be used properly
rather than improperly as it was in the past, though there were some
very good uses for the Montauk Project. In a larger view, it might be
better left buried. Only time will tell what will happen, and whether or
not I will play any part with it. They have not asked me. They don't
want to. All we can do is hope for the best for the future and that the
mistakes of the past will be understood and that somehow the future will
come out the better for it in spite of the problems we know we face.

Connecting Link carries Al Bielek Workshop (2 tapes), "The Philadelph
Experiment."

For speaking and professional engagements, contact  Mr. Bielek at P.O.
Box 44932, Phoenix, AZ, 85064.

[1] The Montauk Project - Experiments in Time, Preston B. Nichols with
Peter Moon. Sky Books, Box 769, Westbury, N.Y. 11590

[2] Radio frequency electromagnetic transmissions-especially related to
radar.

[3] The R & D facility. Production was at Weymouth, MA - over 4, 000
amplitrons were produced.

Originally posted byRobert K. Rouse, rkrouse@netcom.com