thru the channelship
                of the Electronic Engineer,
              Scientific and Clairvoyant mind
                    of Ernest L. Norman


This discourse is from a 13 lecture course given in 1956 in the Los
Angeles area.  These lectures form the first part of the text "The
Infinite Concept of Cosmic Creation" - An introduction to the
Interdimensional Cosmos).

Samples of subjects:
New Age Science and Philosophy
The 4th dimension - the inner kingdoms
The fabric of interstellar space
Reincarnation - Man: The Regenerative Evolutionary Spirit
Matter-energy relationship
UFO-flying saucer mechanics
The Radiant Energy Vortex Concept
The Sun is NOT Hot!!!


      E N E R G Y    A N D    M A S S

"Greetings again from Unarius, meaning `Love in Action.'
"This officially opens lesson #3, which is entitled `Energy and Mass,'
and which will be conducted through mental transmission from such
personages as Sir William Crookes, Faraday, Isaac Newton, Einstein, and
others.
     "In order to establish some form of continuity between each
succeeding lesson, we shall spend a few moments in reviewing something
of the past one.  In our first discussion we established the fact that
the world was obviously going through some sort of great change or
metamorphosis, and that it was obviously necessary to develop a new
science or a new philosophy, which was relevant and most conducive to
the happiness of mankind for the particular evolution which is in the
future.  It was also established that the existing systems of religion,
fundamentalism, and science were, in themselves, incomplete and unable
at this time, for various and obvious reasons, to fulfill the need of
the coming races and generations of mankind.  It was also established
that as far as the Western world was concerned, we could resolve the
dispensation of philosophy into the lives of the various inhabitants of
this time and generation into two factions: science and fundamentalism.
In trying to compromise and to orientate himself into the various and
obvious differences in this factionalism, man is suffering sore and
grievous illnesses.
     "Looking into the existing philosophies, fundamentalisms, and
sciences as they exist today, while there are certain elements of truth
which could be extracted, and which could serve to some extent to fill
the need, or the gaps, or the missing elements in this New Age and in
this new day science, yet these philosophies and sciences have been torn
and filled with such great confusion, multiplicities of error and
malpractices, that these weaknesses have built up great resistance
against them in the minds of the people of this day and age.
     "In the philosophies of the Eastern nations we find people living
under conditions of abject poverty, in a welter and confusion of
ideologies, philosophies, and occultisms.  These practices present not
only a very highly conflicting nature in their elements of transposition
but are in themselves, unacceptable to the Western minds.  It was also
established that Christian orthodoxy was likewise filled with much
dereliction, much confusion and likewise torn with many elements of
dispensation. Basically speaking, orthodoxy functioned on the level of
inspiration and was thus not acceptable to the people whose minds
functioned on a scientific level.  Science itself, although fully and
highly developed in a material sense, is insufficient to fill the
obvious needs and gaps or provide the elements of this New Age
philosophy.
     "We shall pause for a moment to examine what these missing elements
are.  By far, the most important of these missing elements is the
understanding of man himself as a Spiritual Being. That which is called
metempsychosis or reincarnation, the evolution of man, through the
various terrestrial, astral, and spiritual planes is the great missing
element.  Some form of reincarnation is included or expressed in the
Eastern philosophies, but, for the most part it is retrograde and it is
unable to factually relate man to a progressive state of evolution.
     "Within the boundaries of that which might be termed the
understanding of reincarnation or evolution will be found the elements
which will relate man to his numerous different dimensional expressions.
It will also be the solution in which will be found the answer to
mankind's incurable diseases and the ways and means of curing those
evils.  A realistic answer and approach to man's relationship or his
affinity to God will also be explained within the confines of
reincarnation.  In the generations to come, certain understandings or
precepts of fundamentalism and science will be discarded and replaced by
these new elements of understanding.  The scientist will come to learn
that beyond the veil of materialism or the material world, to which he
has confined himself in his expression of 101 elements he will find in
the spiritual understanding and science, new horizons, new worlds, and
new answers to all the seemingly unfilled gaps in his present science.
     "The orthodox, or the fundamentalist, will likewise resolve his
philosophy into a more compatible structure which wall integrate him and
his world with these new understandings and concepts.  However, to
understand reincarnation more fully and basically, and to understand the
spiritual evolution of each individual - or the collective masses of
humanity whether they exist on this planet or on any other planet,
either material (terrestrial), or astral - it is necessary that one
first understand the Infinite.  The fundamentalist is concerned with
understanding which relates him to a personal entity only.  He has not
yet fully resolved himself to understand Infinity in the fullest and
most abstract way in which it must be conceived.
     "The Infinite can be said to be energy, energy manifesting itself
in an infinite number of dimensions and in an infinite number of ways.
To look at the world about us, we must first subtract from our
consciousness the idea of solidity or mass, we must first understand
that there is no such thing as a solid.  We are only conceiving such
things as solidity in a comparative way, or in a comparative value, with
one thing measured against another, as it resides in this terrestrial
rate of vibration.  We must fully and completely assimilate this
constructive philosophy and thus see about us, in our world and in our
transition of life that the Infinite is manifesting and remanifesting
Itself in everything about us.  The walls of our home resolve themselves
into tiny planetary systems, revolving particles of energy, like the
planets around the sun.  Their gyrations are, in themselves, functioning
according to a certain immutable relationship with God, for this energy
is the substance of the Infinite.
     "In our world we can roughly divide the expression of energy into
two different fields.  We might say that there is the so-called static
or the atomic form, and there is also the dynamic or the kinetic form.
In the static form we find these tiny structures which the scientist
calls atoms.  In the dynamic or kinetic form we find the energy moving
in the different forms and dimensions which are necessary to our various
ways of life. In the past and especially during the last fifty years,
the thinkers and the savants of science have labored and struggled for
long periods of time to try to orientate or compromise their thoughts
into finding the answer to mass and energy.  It was only during the last
few years of Einstein's life, that that foremost scientist came to the
general conclusion, that there was no such thing as mass, and that we
could, in a more abstract way, resolve all things into pure energy.
     "When we have assimilated this concept thoroughly and completely in
our minds, we shall have the key to the solution of life, to all
principles of life, its creation, its purpose, as well as the generic
principles, which are sustained from the Immortal Mind of the Infinite.
In the understanding of the transposition of energy, as it manifests
itself in numerous dimensions and in different cyclical paths and forms,
we shall gain some concept of what the Infinite really is, and thus we
shall attain some unity with, and see our relationship to it.
     "I am not going to attempt to make physicists or atomic scientists
of any of you nor would I choose to be classed as one. I like to view
the physical and the causal sciences in a more abstract way and not from
the third dimensional standpoint alone. I like to view them as a
clairvoyant might where I can see the functioning of the Infinite, not
only through the physical dimensions, but through the higher dimensions
as well.
     "Some of you may be cognizant of some of the principles which we
will explain, but for the benefit of those who are not, we shall present
these things to you in a way which will no doubt be new to you.
     "In your future walk of life, you will not see things as before;
these things will gradually change in your minds, they will not be mere
solid or mundane objects, not mere stones or grass or walls, not mere
objects of our everyday association.  Instead, they will resolve
themselves into masses of beautiful radiant pulsating energy.  We shall
look into our bodies and see hundreds of millions and trillions of these
tiny solar systems, all functioning very intelligently according to a
certain relationship, according to that affinity with the immutable
Infinite Mind.  When we have mastered that concept, our life will begin
to change.  We shall have made the first step that will separate us from
the old world of karma.  We shall then have begun to climb the various
rungs of the ladder of reincarnation into a relationship in which we can
direct ourselves into a more constructive way of life.
     "Here I have drawn what is known to science as a sine wave.  This
is the basic fundamental wave form with which science is concerned - the
transposition of energy in this third-dimensional world.  As you see, it
is roughly a plus and a minus, or it can be similarized to the tossing
of a stone into a pond of water. We see that the ripples stem away from
the place where the stone was dropped.  Thus we have converted into
another form or into another movement, the energy from the motion of the
arm into the precipitation of the stone into the pond.  The energy which
was static in the arm is now radiating outwardly in the form of waves.
     "Referring to the fourth-dimensional concepts with which Einstein
was laboring very diligently, at the time of his passing he was
concerned with the separation of time.  As you know Einstein's theory of
relativity is energy E=MCsquared.  This means, roughly, that through the
use of this formula science was able to formulate a constructive
machine, or a destructive atom bomb, or from it might be developed what
might become his constructive atomic science.  What it means is that one
grain of uranium which is U-238, can be converted into 25 million
kilowatts of energy. Yet, each atom of this uranium existed on this
planet for at least two billion years as energy in a static form,
harmless until it had been transformed into a dynamic form of energy.
     "To better understand the sine wave, we can draw a circle, and draw
a line through the center horizontal plane.  This top half represents
the fourth dimension or energy in static form because we start anywhere
with our plus and resolve, we will say, that energy concludes itself in
these dimensions without time.  Taking one half of this wave, and
placing it offset against the other one, we have a structure called a
sine wave, the lower half is third-dimensional.  Now the second factor
which we must consider in these atomic structures as they resolve
themselves into what most people commonly call mass, is that these tiny
forms of energy are constructed something similar to this diagram.  We
have, for instance in the hydrogen atom, a positive nucleus, and one
tiny little electron which is traveling around an orbit.  One is
negative, the other positive.  Because of the balance between the
magnetic fluxes between the inner structure, or the nucleus, the proton
of the atom and the electron which revolves in its outer orbit, there is
a constant maintenance or an interchange of energy.  From the basic
equivalent of the hydrogen atom whose atomic weight is 1.0082, we can go
on up to the 101 elements which science has classified according to
atomic weights from one to 258.  The last five of these elements are man
made.  The last one, which is Mendelevium, is an artificially
constructed element, just as the other four of the last of the 101
atomic weight constructures.

    ***   Isotopes - the psychic body of atoms   ***
     "Now here is a peculiarity which science has not yet resolved or
fully understood each one of these 101 elements possesses in itself,
anywhere from 1 to 23 isotopes.  An isotope is exactly the same as its
basic element in any of the 101 elements, but has a different `weight.'
It has the same number of protons in the nucleus, and the same number of
electrons, revolving around in the outer diameters of the structure.
Now here is the key to the whole atomic structure, because it should be
very obvious to the scientists by now, that the atom is not a complete
unit of energy.  The isotopes should give the clue to the spiritual
nature of the atom.  Each one of the isotopes has a definite
relationship with a higher dimension according to a certain fundamental
frequency.
    ***   The Radiant Energy Vortex Concept   ***
     "If we constructed what we might call an abstract view or a concept
of creation, which stems, shall we say, from the Mind of the Infinite,
we should draw, what is called a vortex.  It looks like the whirlwind
which we see on the desert, and this comparison is almost as close as we
can get to the abstract concept of what the scientists might call space.
We shall see in this vortex, as I have drawn it, that it will actually
be composed of countless millions, an infinite number of wave forms, all
similar to the sine wave; because energy itself is intelligent according
to the structure of the wave.  We can have various malformations, or
what might be called steps in these waves, and these steps all portray a
particular thing called objectivism.  In this vortex we find literally
hundreds of millions of wave forms, that we can call intelligent and
which portray in their own particular way, something of the Infinite
Intelligence.  We have great forces in this vortex, we see this vortex
expanding outwardly, we see it expanding inwardly, each line itself
according to certain fundamental laws of frequency relationship,
multiplying itself.  We can call these forces centrifugal and
centripetal, for lack of better names.  We can say that the negative
energies are resolving themselves down into this central hard core
nucleus.  We say it is hard simply as a matter of comparison, because of
the maelstrom of energy which forms the apex of that cone with a
tremendous conglomeration or concentration of energies.
     "This is exactly how our Sun is formed.  Our Sun is stemming and
radiating outward into our third-dimensional world, great energies which
we call heat and light.  Energy as it stems from the sun, is transposed
into heat and light and various other actions with which we are familiar
in our terrestrial science, and according to certain catalytic agents of
energy - which are called gravity or the kinetic energy of the magnetic
lines and structures - which hold the universe together.  This energy
can be said to be remanifesting itself into countless little vortexes of
energy.  They in turn, stem and reradiate energy out.  One here is
negative according to the positiveness of the dimension above it; yet
the energy here as it radiates according to this dimension is positive,
whereas the other is negative.  Thus we see the interchange of energy
from one dimensional form into another.  These countless multiplicities
of vortexes of energy finally resolve themselves into the atomic
structures on the earth; whether they are the simple hydrogen atom,
whether they are the U-238, or whether they are any of the other
supporting spiritual atoms with which this basic physical atom is
directly related; because the isotopes of any of these other elements,
are themselves, related in a basic frequency relationship to a higher
and higher structure.
    ***   Frequency Relationship   ***
     "If we strike the `A' string on one violin the pulsations of its
energy will cause the `A' string of another violin to vibrate also.  If
we say that this string vibrates at a frequency of 100 cycles per
second, it will generate and regenerate in the other string according to
the laws of harmonic structure.  The principle involved is a basic
multiple of 2 and 1/2 times the fundamental frequency.  It can rise to
10 or 15 thousand cycles per second.  Therefore, the transposition of
any energy form which we see in this world about us, is concerned in
just such a frequency relationship and under such existing laws from
which there are no variations or deviations.  We have gone into these
concepts thoroughly to acquaint you with the fundamental and basic
understanding of energy in motion.
     "Now, as I said, according to Einstein's theory, in which mass is
transformed into energy and returned into mass, as was done in the five
remaining atoms of the earth science today, we find that energy and mass
are interchangeable.  One form can be changed or transposed into the
other according to this same basic formula.

     "In the early 1900's, a man by the name of Max Planck came along
with his theory of quanta.  The scientists believed, up until that time,
that all energy was of an electronic form.  In other words, there were
tiny little particles of solid electricity which were somehow being
precipitated along certain directions. It was Max Planck who established
the Planck's Theory of Quanta, called Planck's Constant.  In other
words, to make it more simplified, the formula merely means that energy
itself does not simply flow through something and come out the something
else at the other end.  There must be a very definite relationship of
harmonic or frequency transposition.

 ***  Space - vast seas of vortexal energy structures  ***

     "Now we begin to understand that everywhere in space, everywhere
within us, everywhere around us, everywhere, going on all the time, in a
manner and in a fashion which our physical eyes, our ears, or any of our
five senses can not determine or discriminate, are vast seas of energy
in a continual reciprocating, interchanging and interlocking of an
innumerable and in an infinite number of cycles.  The entire cosmic
universe which the scientists call space is filled with this radiating
pulsating energy.  We have depicted this cyclic motion in the diagram as
huge vortexes of energy which, in turn, subdivide themselves in an
infinite number of ways and in an infinite number of directions.  Yet
there is that same harmonic frequency relationship in the various atomic
structures of the innumerable elements, not only in the 101 which the
scientists know and understand today, but in all which will, with this
new understanding, open up a whole new field, a new vision, an entire
new world of science.  The development of this type of an understanding
will for the present have to be conceived and perceived from the
standpoint of clairvoyance.  At the present time the world is singularly
devoid of any instrumentation which can determine such elements of form
as exist in these outer or inner dimensions.  You may picture to
yourself that this room at the moment is pulsating with pictures from at
least fifteen different television stations.  You do not have the power,
the instrumentation in your physical body, to discern these vibrations;
yet, with proper instrumentation, such as your TV set or your radio,
they can be transported into visual and audible energy.
     "The scientists of the future will develop the instrumentation for
peering into these dimensions to determine just what is happening in the
higher dimensions about us; what is more, through other instrumentation
they will bring in the voices of the higher minds and the intellects
which have heretofore been unseen and unheard by the physical ear or
eye.  You may say that this prediction is a contradiction to what is
commonly known as Spiritualism today; yet Spiritualism is not yet a
fully developed science nor can it develop into that, until it is
abstracted from the realm in which it now exists.  The clairvoyant in
the future generation will have to develop his mentality and his
position, to the spiritual dimensions in accordance with that type of
transposition of knowledge and wisdom which is so vital and necessary
for mankind to exist.
     "I can not give too much emphasis to what I have quoted here
tonight, and if you should like to add to, and to increase the
importance of understanding energy and mass, it would be wise for you to
peer into some text books.  Many of these books are available in our
libraries and material can be found in the various almanacs and
encyclopedias, and in the text books found in almost everyone's home.
     "It will also be most necessary - a point which I cannot emphasize
strongly enough - that you develop a certain cognizance;  that you try
to visualize the transposition of energy all about you, in order to
change your way of thinking from what has been formerly believed to be
mass.  You will thus be able to see that the blades of grass, the leaves
of the trees, and everything about you assumes a different proportion, a
different intensity, a different translation.  Each one will whisper to
you its own mysterious and secret message of the Infinite Creation.  And
thus with the understanding of this concept, we shall in the future
lessons be able to go into such concepts as the psychic self and explain
to you of what the psychic self consists.
     "It will be shown how you incur into that psychic self, either the
indispositions of sin or error, whether they are disease or
malformations of wrong or perverted acts, or whether they are
constructive and useful things of purposeful intent.  Like your physical
body, your psychic body is constantly being either constructed or torn
down.  Your future evolution depends upon how you construct and
reconstruct this psychic self; for linked to this psychic self is your
pure Superconsciousness (Higher Self) which is sometimes called your
soul.  This is your true self with which in your ultimate struggle, and
in your infinite number of reincarnations, you acquaint yourself with
the Infinite Nature of Infinity and thus see all of the things which are
Godlike in that concept.  You will again come into a harmonic conclusion
with that soul-self.  And in that harmonic conclusion and in the
fulfillment and the attainment of reincarnation, you will have attained
the affinity with the Infinite.
     "That which we might call advanced scientific relationship is more
than third-dimensional in nature and extends into the Spiritual and is
tremendously advanced.  It is quite apparent that science or orthodoxy
will need to accept these things eventually; they not only will have to,
but will arrive at the place where they will develop that desire within
themselves.  Both fundamentalism and science today have passed the point
of diminishing returns. If we are going to free the hundreds of
thousands of people who are, at the present, in conditions of extreme
stress and circumstance, in the penal institutions, the asylums, the
hospitals, and those who go to the grave needlessly every year, if we
are going to alleviate the wars, the strife, and the vicissitudes of
human nature, then we are going to have to understand each other as
sparks of the Infinite Mind.
     "We must needs know who we are and what we are, and what we are
here for; where we came from and where we are going.  That is the
purpose of this science which is being brought to you from higher minds
of Shamballa, now named Unarius.  I, myself, am one instrument.  There
will be others, and others are now functioning.  We shall prove and
demonstrate to you that these things are factual.  They can change your
lives and give you the answers to all your problems.  I shall give you
the facts and principles of how you may get the answers for yourselves.
     "I can peer back into your past-lives and give you the pertinent or
pivot points as we call them, in which you have incurred your greatest
negations and different crises, which have come down with you through
the ages, through the different evolutions. You may reincarnate time and
time again in these terrestrial dimensions until you find the answers,
the solution of these things.  We can, in the future, with the
understanding of this science, actually relate you in a new way which
you could not at the present time conceive, as an active participant and
participator in God's Infinite Mind.  And you see how you do it.  You
will see it working.

  QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS
Q - "What is behind the energy, the moving power, or the source of
energy?
A - "All energy starts from way off out, or up there, in the great
Infinite Vortex which stems downward and multiplies and regenerates and
recurs into numerous dimensions which, for convenience sake, we shall
call vortexes."
Q - "How is it that they claim we see or view everything inverted?  Are
we, by any chance, upside down?"
A - "No, indeed not.  It is like everything else in this universe, it is
merely concept.  Seeing is merely an optical law.  You have learned to
relate yourself to it and live by it in a normal fashion.  We can turn
the yolk of a TV set over and the picture will be inverted; you would
then have to be on your head to see it right side up.  If you came into
this world without eyes, you would have to conceive things in a
different way.  The transfer of a picture into your mind is a related
mechanical process, called optical principles or `angles of incidence.'
There is no color in anything, but merely the property of any substance
to absorb and reflect certain waves of energy, which you call light or
darkness.  These wave lengths of energy can be reflected by other
substances, such as a mirror or a pond.  Anything that you can conceive
in this world depends upon your relationship to it, but we are going
beyond this.  We are seeing everything as energy; we are linking
ourselves to the Infinite through the higher consciousness.  These
simple physical sciences can be very easily divulged.   What is being
taught here tonight is far beyond the physical optical dispensation."
Q - "Since there must be a force beyond energy, what is beyond
consciousness?"
A - "As Kung Fu says, `The longest journey begins with the first step.'
To answer that properly I would go beyond the concept of your own mind.
We shall start first from this great central vortex, which I explained
in the lesson.  We see in this great central vortex, a great
Supercelestial Universe, a multiplying and reoccurring intelligence.
Beyond that, we could say would be a mass conglomeration of an infinite
number of Superhuman Minds which have been projected from certain laws
and relationships of which we may know nothing.  To assimilate these
facts, we need to start at some point, in order to associate these
things into the mind.  It is of no use at this point to get too abstract
for the majority of students.  The Infinite is the abstract."
Q - "Are we here on this plane for experience only, and who is to say
whether a deed is good or ill?"
A - "That is in itself the practical aspect of the whole thing, because
this terrestrial dimension is part of that learning process or
experience.  It is very necessary to everyone.  Unfortunately, we find
many left-hand or right-hand, or extremes of expressions, where you see
individuals or minority groups who might capitalize or exploit the
weaknesses of human nature or exploit the goodness of those about them.
But in the ultimate attainment we are the absolute judge, jury, or
executioner according to what we take into ourselves on the domain or
the threshold of experience.  We have to consider this world in a rather
abstract way because it is one of many, many worlds where experience is
a necessary integrating factor.  Experience creates a certain impact.
It creates wave forms which are projected into the psychic self which
reconstructs the psychic self in that building process, which was
previously mentioned.  We are constructing for ourselves a spiritual
body which will live in a higher dimension, through this experience, by
automatically accepting or rejecting certain values or certain negations
which will reconstruct this spiritual body."
Q - "Are we to understand that you said the sun is not actually hot?"
A - "Yes, that is what I was showing you a moment ago.  You need not
necessarily take my word for it.  The fact the sun is not hot has been
expressed by these higher minds and by advanced thinkers of this time;
by Churchward in his books, and those who carved the hieroglyphics in
the Temples and Pyramids and in many other places have repeatedly
portrayed that the sun is not hot.  The sun is a radiating source of
energy, and that energy as a pure form, as it resides and comes from the
sun, is neither heat nor light.  Instead, it has to be changed by
magnetic and gravitational structures and by various polarities which
are involved, because these polarities come through this great central
universe. (Dr. Norman draws spiraling vortex radiating lines of force.)
This is how it appears from astronomical observatories.  If you were to
look at it edgewise, it would look like this.  Now from this central
vortex we find great lines of magnetic energy which stem out around this
huge vortex.  Our solar system appears as one tiny speck in comparison.
There are 100 trillion of these white specks which are visible to the
Mt. Palomar telescopes, all of them bigger than our own Sun.  Down near
this central vortex we find an intense concentration of suns.  These are
all energies which exist in higher dimensions of higher vibrations about
which science today knows nothing, and they will not know until they get
out into space with instrumentation to measure them.  Here in our solar
system are definite lines of energy; the flying saucers come in and fly
by them, they utilize that energy.  One line of energy comes to the
earth and flows through the earth and creates a polarity.  One side of
the earth becomes negative and the other side becomes positive.  This is
manifest up higher by another vortex of energy which we call the
magnetic poles.  Energy recreates energy and regenerates itself.  It
regenerates itself through these countless dimensions according to the
harmonic frequency of the multiple of 2 and 1/2 times the fundamental
frequency.  Think this over; I explained these things one time to a
professor of calculus out at the University in Westwood and he did not
get it either; but he said that someday he would.  This  was about four
years ago.  Atomic science today is just beginning  to prove some of
these theories."
Q - "Would you explain further regarding light, air, and dimensions?"
A - "All right.  You look out here into the air, but what Is this air?
It is mostly nitrogen and oxygen with a few other inert elements and
gases such as hydrogen, etc.  They resolve themselves into molecules;
the molecules, in turn, are definite structures of tiny atoms, all held
together by the same magnetic laws which hold the universe together.
This power is the same which holds the universe together.  This power is
the same which holds the molecules together.  A horse-shoe magnet has
two poles in which you have these same magnetic fields, magnetic lines.
The power thus generated is that which runs the motors in your vacuum
sweepers and your washers."
Q - "What part do resistors play?"
A - "Resistors are diametrically opposed atomic structures in
relationship to the flow of energy, which can create heat or it can be
dispensated outwardly as magnetic lines of force.  Take a small wire for
instance, electricity does not travel through the center, but over the
surface of the wire.  Now every time that electricity comes in contact
with the molecules along the surface of the wire, it creates certain
disturbances because of the magnetic lines of linkage, and in doing so
it will create a field of force, which is another transposition of
energy according to a certain fundamental frequency.
"If it is a 60 cycle current which flows through the light of the wire,
we shall find fundamental frequency generated on the outside of that
wire in the direct multiple and relationship."
Q - "Do we get heat from the resistance in the air?"
A - "No, you do not get all of heat and light through resistance of
light through the air.  Most of the heat comes through an interchange of
energy through the magnetic structures.  I have called it cosmic
hysteresis, for lack of a better term.  We get hysteresis in a
transformer; if we pass energy through a coil of wire which is wrapped
around a core of iron, we get hysteresis in the iron, thus producing
heat.  The iron becomes red hot if we get enough current going through
the wire."
Q - "Then is the energy from the sun warm because of hysteresis?"
A - "Certainly, because there you are then coming in direct contact with
the source of energy.  As it is reflected down, you not only have
friction in the atmosphere and the molecules and atoms in the air, but
also hysteresis and interchange of energy through the magnetic
structures which you call gravity, or which is called polarity, or
positive and negative."
Q - "Would you say then that the gravity of the earth is the negative
polarity and the positive is the sun?"
A - "That is right, because out in this great central vortex is the sum
and total of all our gravitational forces.  It relates, as I explained,
right down through from one dimension on into another.  We have the same
transposition of energy into different forms, some of which you call
gravity, or which you call heat and light or any other particular kind
of energy."
Q - "Are there actual structures of energy?"
A - "Yes, now for practical purposes we understand that the interchange
of energy is in the sine wave.  That statement will simplify things for
you as far as this third dimension is concerned.  But in the fourth
dimension, we again have the circular concept.  If you are a little ant
up here on top of the circle, and you want to see what's going on down
here at the bottom, you do not need to walk all around, because you are
in tune with it.  The vibration is the same in that entire cycle.  By
attunement you could know instantly all that was occurring at any point
simultaneously.  You conceive it in the mind; you need not cover the
area by traveling there.  But it is different in the third dimension
because here we have time and space.  In the fourth dimension we have
eliminated time and space because we are simultaneously in tune with the
whole universe, instantly.  We can liken the dimensions to a piano
keyboard, on which there are an infinite number of chord structures,
some harmonic, others inharmonic.  The universe, or what we call our
third dimension, functions by this same principle.  The science of our
101 elements is based strictly upon certain relationships which are
called energy masses or atoms, and which are revolving from a certain
frequency relationship.  This point is the one on which the scientists
have their little differences and misunderstanding of the isotopes,
because the isotope is the same atom, in higher form.  These principles
are used in the flying saucers that comes down from another planet.  The
men who created these saucers know about the laws governing isotopes and
frequency change.  They know how to change the elements in that ship
from one dimension to another, like changing the vibration of an atom.
You may think the saucer is hot because it is red, but it is not.  It
simply means that the ship is radiating a certain energy which we call
light.  It isn't heat at all.  It changes from rosy hues to a brilliant
white just as quick.  So what happens?  The ship merely becomes an
object of radiation.
     "If we would learn to change the natural vibrating fundamental
frequency of the atom, which is called a material atom, and change it to
the frequency with which it is to be related, we could do exactly what
the Flying Saucer people do.  Other people on other planets are doing
it; they do these things on Mars, on Clarion, and on many other planets
and have been doing so for hundreds of thousands of years.  As I said in
a past lesson, the eartheans are in a low plane of understanding.
Q - "What is meant by either soft light or hard light?"
A - "The light spectrum is visible to the rods and cones in your eyes
merely because, through the lens of the eyes, certain frequencies of
energy strike the rods and cones.  There are phosphorus compounds on the
apex of those cones which are activated and regenerated and thus
degenerate according to the different fundamental frequency relationship
of those wave forms.  This process transposes to you into your
intelligence, your concept of what you termed light or dark, or, is
objectified, according to the various impulses which are compounded
within those wave forms."
Q - "They materialize the flying saucers then?"
A - "In a sense, yes.  The atoms themselves are changed in the
relationship to the dimension in which they normally reside.  But the
atoms themselves are strong magnetic fields of force and are held
together through these fields of force, and through the laws of harmonic
relationship.  The atoms relate themselves automatically, through any
one or a number, or a million different dimensions.  Simply because the
space men know the secret of how to transpose the atoms of the ship (or
the frequency rate of vibration), the atoms lose their relationship in
the dimension in which they normally exist.  The ships then are not
subjected to the ordinary or normal laws of the dimension in which they
normally reside.  Jesus did this voluntarily to his own body and could
walk through stone walls or appear and disappear.  However, Jesus was
not alone, for there have been many people on the earth who not only
have done such things through the past ages, but who are doing them at
the present time."
Q - "How is this done?"
A - "You must imagine that these little atoms are all held together by
very definite forces of energy so that they can not fly apart.  These
energies are very strong because they are related to a higher dimension!
Take, for example, a spinning top; at the top is a vortex which enables
the top to stand erect and spin.  This vortex holds the atoms together.
Now, by changing the relationship of these little atoms with the vortex,
we change the way they vibrate so that they are not subjected to the
same laws of gravity and other various physical laws which we have here
in the third dimension.  So far as that plane or world is concerned, it
is weightless.  We need first to master the simpler basic understanding
before we are given, or could understand, top flight secrets."
Q - "Is this how men from other planets make appearances here and some
few of our eartheans ride in spacecraft?"
A - "Yes, by the frequency change in the physical body, both of the
space men and our eartheans.  Our people may not realize what has taken
place, but it is the only way it can be done in third dimension or, as
he believes, he takes his physical body.  If he did not go in astral
flight, the physical would have to be changed in frequency vibration.
Usually the Venusians who have made these contacts have built up this
thought-form body - or by so-called materialization - so the earth man
could recognize and accept his situation.  This is not the natural state
and form of the Venusian or of other planet residents."
Q - "Again, referring to the filament in a light bulb, does it glow
because it is the weakest part in the completed circle, or because of
its different ratio?"
A - "You might say it is the weakest link in the chain reaction between
the dynamic, the generating force, the E.M.F. (electromagnetic force),
and its negative polarity.  But you might also say that it exists simply
on the general principle, as we explained, as a reactive element in the
flow of energy, because it is, in some way, diametrically opposed in its
rate of vibration as an atomic structure to the E.M.F."
Q - "I asked this question because I was wondering why the other wires
that lead the current to the filament didn't glow."
A - "Simply because they are of large enough capacity to carry that
current without any serious disturbances to themselves or to the
current.  You are getting into the dimension which is known as Ohm's
law, a very simple factor of resistance, because any wire, no matter how
large or small it is, has a resistive element in the E.M.F.  There is no
such thing as a perfect conductor."
Q - "Would this mean then, that the earth is conscious of the light and
heat and the warmth, because this planet is the weakest link in the
chain of vibration?"
A - "You can liken it to a resistive element, that is the magnetic
structures and interchange of magnetic structures, as they are relinked
or opposed to themselves according to their frequency relationship,
generate heat or generate light.
Q - "Do these space craft fly only in a certain beam then?"
A - "There are two methods: one, the manually operated ship - and
usually that is the mother ship; but most ships which people have
sighted from the earth, and in which they have ridden, have been the
second type, the remote controlled.  These ships fly in the center of an
energy beam and are controlled by that beam.  It is like a huge hollow
tube at the end of a searchlight weaving about them through the sky.
This beam is moved about in the sky just as one would move a kleig-light
about.  The light itself moves only a very little and slowly, but the
end of the ray or beam sweeps the entire scope of the visible sky.  This
saucer, or disc, which often resembles a circular waffle iron in shape,
is situated right in the center of this energy beam of force; around on
the outside edge is the force fields which makes contact with the beam"
Q - "Why do they need flying saucers when they can travel astrally and
leave their bodies?"
A - "They actually do not need them.  When you arrive at the point where
Jesus, and other Avatars were, in your concepts, you can go to any other
planet without a flying saucer.  That is what we are doing now in these
various transmissions from dwellers on the other super-planets, which we
call Shamballa (now Unarius).  If I can interject the personality, I
project out to these various planets and walk around in these many
super-planets, and through my vocal cords they are described.  I come
back with the picture of that which I see and at the same time of my
viewing, describe what I am seeing."
Q - "In your psychic body?"
A - "Yes, in my psychic body.  I leave the physical behind, but am never
out of control of it.  I maintain conscious continuity at all times.  It
is not a dead trance; I can at any time get up and walk across the room
and still be out there."
Q - "Does the physical body feel cold when in this consciousness?"
A - "Normally I have noticed no particular physical differences
whatsoever, other than the top of the head gets so tender and sore and
hot that I can barely touch it.  At those times the welt, or circle, or
third eye, appears and activates on the forehead.  Not only that, but
anyone else present feels the power, and we get the effulgence or aroma
of delicate different fragrances from the high Masters who usually come
and identify first by their particular fragrances."
"Q - "Do you feel you go to them or that they come to you?"
A - "When you get into an abstract concept such as that, if you could
picture your physical body as an organ of reception, you would be
looking, seeing, feeling out of every pore, in all directions
simultaneously.  So you really can not say anyone goes anywhere,
actually.  It is the same as you can not say your radio set goes to the
tower on the hill or the sending station tower comes into your room, or
that the transmitter comes into your TV set.  It is merely a linkage of
harmonic or frequency relationship which occurs instantaneously.  That
is what happens when you get away from this physical flesh.  You don't
have to take trains or street cars to get there, you conceive it in your
mind and you are in conscious contact."
Q - "Does distance have any influence, say you wanted to go to a distant
planet?"
A - "Distance makes absolutely no difference whatsoever, because these
things take place in dimensions which are fourth dimensional, and on up,
which function in a circular pattern, like gears in a watch.  This point
was one which Einstein is endeavoring to explain, and which he called
the compressed time theory.  He really arrived at the point in his
conception in which he was a little clairvoyant.  He finally postulated
the theory and I will give it to you roughly.  Out in free space, in
that which we call the cosmic universe, light travels at any particular
speed that it wants to.  We say that light here, as far as our
terrestrial dimension is concerned - travels at 186,272 miles per
second, that was the ultimate barrier of the physical dimension.  Out in
space, it was proved that light travels four or five times that fast, or
even a hundred times that fast, according to the dimension."
Q - "Then E.M.C. (Einstein's mass-energy concept) is not true throughout
the Universe?"
A - "It is not, E.M.C. is only the constant frequency relationship of
186,000 miles per second.  Just a few years ago, the engineers in the
airplane industry, were concerned with the sound barrier, and sound at
740 miles per hour (at sea level), etc, and you know what has happened
to the sound barrier, it has disappeared.  Man does arrive at new
levels, new realizations.  At the present time, that which has been
confronting the engineers is the thermal barrier.  They believe that
skin friction will be the biggest single contributing barrier to space
flight, because they have about 40 to 60 miles of oxygen or air
transfer.
     "Now there are a lot of other factors which relate to that which we
call the thermal barrier.  For instance, I will explain this to you a
little differently.  We have something like two or three billion tiny
cosmic particles that rain on this earth every hour.  They come from
outer space.  Most of these little particles are about as big as a grain
of sand, weighing less than a gram.  We see them streaking across the
sky as a brilliant meteor.  The word meteor itself means a streak of
light.  Now you wonder how that little grain of sand could come to earth
in contact with friction and generate so much light, but it isn't that
way at all, because that tiny particle of cosmic dust, traveling through
the upper layers of the air, is traveling at the rate of about 20,000
miles per hour.  It piles up in front of it, a ball of air or a ball of
gas.  Because of the friction of the atoms in this ball of gas, it
becomes incandescent and glows so that that little tiny grain of sand is
actually multiplied a hundred thousand times in intensity and
brilliance.  This is the same thing which happens on the sun.  The sun
is a huge fluorescent tube which they call chromosphere, radiating
energy from the sun's surface, and is exactly the same thing.  They are
pulsations and radiations which are not heat at all."
Q - "If we can really realize infinity, then we know all that it is?
Isn't that it, that it just is?"
A - "You can look at it so if you wish, but in going down the street and
looking about you and saying, `It just is,' does not lead us anywhere in
our philosophy.  We have to determine what is the relationship, what the
values of the generic creative forces are behind these things and how
they function, otherwise, it isn't is: It is something else."
Q - "Well, if it occurs down here, then it must have occurred in the
higher dimensions first."
A - "That is exactly right.  It has to come from the higher dimensions
first.  You must know too, that everything that you do, on this planet,
whether you burn your house down or whatever it is that you do, that it
has the same amount of energy transference in higher dimensions.  You do
not dissipate energy.  You do not destroy energy, but it recreates
itself, expresses itself in different dimensions according to these
fundamental frequency relationships."
Q - "I was supposed to be talking to a man on a flying saucer through a
psychic, from the other side of the sun, who was to have come from
Pluto; do you think this true?"
A - "There are other planets in our solar system of which the
astronomers do not yet know.  I believe Vulcan is one of them. Vulcan is
a planet on the other side of the sun, in direct proportion, so that we
never actually get to see it, no more than we see the other side of the
moon."
Q - "Was this message from the space man I mentioned authentic?"
A - "I am not one to get into this kind of vibration, but as Paul said,
`We must discern of the Spirits,' and try the Spirits and find out who
they are.
"In regard to the unanswered question of last week about the
organizations of dark (negative) forces, we find that we had been given
information, which at that time I had not yet correlated.  There are,
indeed, organizations of dark forces.  Very powerful teachings of the
left-hand path are given.  In fact, they are much more intense because
they are much closer to this dimension and frequency relationship of the
earth."
Q - "What is meant by dark forces?"
A - "Dark forces are those who lack a sense of direction, or proper
sense of directive relationship.  In other words, they are selfish."
Q - "Isn't it easy to be under their influence instead of under the
higher spiritual forces?"
A - "Yes, it is something like learning to ride a bicycle.  We can tell
you to maintain a positive attitude continually in all expressions.
When you see the Infinite flowing into you and your thoughts or
concepts, and when you will realize that everything about you is
whispering that little secret of creation, that little secret of
infinity, then you will gradually acquire the higher consciousness or
attunement with the higher Spiritual forces and the dark forces can not,
so easily, influence you."
Q - "Is it true that some of the lower astral forces portray
themselves as being higher than they actually are, thus trying to
influence us?"
A - "Yes, this is true; but people who are sincerely seeking, do arrive
at a certain point of discrimination, and need not fear because that
Superconsciousness, the Still Small Voice, is the determinant which will
determine that which enters our consciousness.  Those of you who are
along the path of evolution a little farther than the average
materialist, who lived on higher planes in between incarnations and have
set up certain contacts, certain affiliations with certain organizations
of more highly developed souls, you automatically know the light from
dark powers, and the Enlightened Ones help to guide you and help to
moderate your actions to a certain degree.  Of course it is all
according to how you can conceive of these things, and how much you let
yourself be guided and directed.  As I say, I never get into trouble
until I go against that `Inner Voice.'"
Q - "Is it always other intelligences who guide?  Is it not your own
Christ within?  Do we need outside guidance?"
A - "Indeed, this Christ consciousness is our goal.  That is right, but
we very often do need help.  Down here in this little old terrestrial
planet, we very often need guidance, until we have reached the place
where we can function from the Superconscious at all times.  When we
reach that point the Yogi calls `Nirvana,' we no longer need to
reincarnate into this karmic world.  We could not live five minutes
unless we have this in-flow of the Infinite energy through the
hypothalamus from the higher dimensions.  That energy supports every
atom in your body, supports your intelligence, and supports many other
things in your life today of which the scientist does not yet know."
Q - "Is that the third eye?"
A - "The hypothalamus, which is called the pituitary, is at the base of
the brain.  You have the pineal out in the front center.  It is the so-
called third eye.  Some ancient fish are supposed to have it; bats and
many other insects also have this strong directive force of the pineal
gland.  But the pituitary, or hypothalamus, links the voluntary with the
involuntary actions of the coordinated system of your body.  You could
not consciously cause your heart to fluctuate or cause it to stop; but
if you have a sudden impact of fear, your heart will fluctuate, due to
the fact that you have generated so much dynamic energy in your brain
cells, through the impact of fear, in the natural, normal processes of
relationship, that some of it spills over.  It is regenerated into other
frequency spectrums which are connected into the hypothalamus, which
causes your heart to palpitate."
Q - "Where do the adrenals come in?"
A - "They are all part of that particular force.  Now the adrenals and
various other ductless glands of the system function much the same as
does your hypothalamus, in other worlds and in other dimensions.  They
are related to your higher self and are stimulated from internal psychic
forces of which the present-day doctor knows nothing.  This lack of
knowledge is the reason for the inability to heal disease.  The doctors
just do not know the answers to these things.  The adrenals and the
various other glands are connected just as are the atoms with the
isotopes into higher dimensions and they function from the higher
dimensions.  That higher dimension is the psychic body.  When scientists
get this secret of the psychic body, they will be able to cure all the
malformations which are now called incurable.  The diseases will
disappear like magic."
Q - "Will you tell me why at times I hear voices?"
A - "It merely means that you have some spiritual forces around you who
have learned the little secrets of transposing their mind energies.  The
Enlightened Ones do not use vocal cords in the higher realms of life;
instead they use conscious mind telepathy.  You must know what the ear
is like, to understand how these voices can be produced.  They are not
produced in the ear as it may seem, but produced in certain auditory
nerves and impulses which come from another dimension.  You could, no
doubt, develop this ability to hear voices until you would hear these
whisperings night and day and you would get to depend on them, and they
would have the needle in your arm, all the time.  It is a phase through
which some clairvoyants pass, but sooner or later we do with them just
as we do in this outside world, we do not open the door and make our
home a subway station.  In like manner we do not make our minds a
gathering place for every dislocated entity in God's entire astral
universe. We need to discriminate as we do here in the terrestrial
plane. These things that you hear could be a loved one who has changed
worlds, I could change frequencies and tell you it was your mother or
grandmother, or it could be thought-form bodies.  There is a very
definite and rather abstract process of how people create these voices
through a want or longing; through a lack of sense of security, or
through the loss of a loved one.  We can actually create these things
for ourselves and they whisper to us, so to speak.
     "This sensitiveness should be developed in a higher degree, for
when you arrive at this point, your entire psychic structure is now
revolving in a dimension which is much higher than it was a few thousand
years ago.  You get closer and closer to where you attain the true
abstract; where all the minds in the whole Infinite Universe can attune
to you.  It will not be a mere few `voices.' If you do continue to
recognize these voices, be certain that you do it with careful
discrimination.  Test the spirits; when you hear the Higher Intellects,
they will not come to you as whispering voices.  They will come as
definite impressions, as pictures, as realizations.  They will have
personalities of Light, of Radiance and Beauty and Love."
Q - "You speak of Masters and Teachers on Shamballa; are they all
Masters who have ascended from this planet or do they come from other
worlds as well?"
A - "Let us picture, say 100,000 planets like this earth, in more or
less terrestrial conditions of vibrations and expressions, and then let
us visualize hundreds of trillions of people revolving around in
different karmic states of reincarnation. We can say the sum and total
of a certain number of minds have evolved to Shamballa.  Shamballa
(Unarius) is seven teaching centers.  There are many great or Perfected
Minds in Shamballa who once lived on the earth, and many who have
arrived through the progress of evolution from other terrestrial and
astral planets.  They maintain polarity and contact with this and other
terrestrial planets through individuals, like myself.  They are also
working with some of the higher astral worlds between here and
Shamballa.  We find our own proper relationship, our niches; we learn,
and we teach.  We shall go into these descriptions further on, taking
one step at a time.  We are interested tonight primarily in energy and
mass.  Later on, you will be given instruction, pertaining to the
Masters, the Lords, and the Logi, and the different factors of
integration.  Are there any other questions regarding energy now, as the
Brothers feel as though we have gone about as far as the physical body
should go for tonight."
Q - "When all the planets and suns were created, how did they know the
plan?"
A - "You are asking in one short breath, the entire secret of the Most
Infinite Mind of Infinity.  As we say, we must take these steps one at a
time.  You will never be able to conceive all these things, until you
first learn the basic principles of energy and mass as we have been
trying to give them this evening.  When you understand that this little
world around you is merely a revolving conglomerate mass of energy
expressing itself intelligently in all forms and all ways around you,
then you can begin to arrive at what the Infinite actually is.  It is
you, everyone of us here and everywhere else; the walls of this room and
every other thing imaginable."
Q - "You mean other planets consist of the same thing?"
A - "All are vibrating in different planes of relationship.  We can
roughly divide them into different spectra; there is the terrestrial or
material such as the earth, the astral planets, revolving somewhat in a
higher frequency, such as Venus; the superastral worlds, the causal
worlds, and the Celestial worlds. We can then go on and on and on into
higher and higher dimensions, because all of these worlds revolve into
these different dimensions or vortexes of expression.
Q - "How many dimensions are there?"
A - "That would be like trying to count the atoms in the Universes.
There is no limit, no ending to anything.  Even the Higher Minds of
Shamballa tell us they can look out and see no limit, nor will we ever
be in a position where we will ever see the end of it."
Q - "Are we on the lowest?"
A - "Yes, we are on one of the lowest.  The physical planets are always
comparatively low, because there we find energy expressing itself into
atomic structures.  You must bear in mind, too, that there are various
densities of atomic structures."
"There is a little star out here called Sirius, which, according to
present day astronomy, is so dense that one cubic inch would weigh
20,000 tons, according to our gravitational pull.  This huge sun is
hundreds of times larger and `hotter' than our own.  At present, of
course the astronomer and scientist are confused as to what heat is.
They have not yet arrived at this point where they can say that energy
is in resistance to a certain known mathematical formula and that is all
heat is.  Heat does not really exist; it is an illusion."
Q - "What about the so-called Hades, subastral worlds or hell?"
A - You are getting into perception or conception here.  If you were
suddenly transported down into the middle of the jungles of Africa, and
you didn't know a thing about it, you would be in comparatively the same
position of that in which many people are, when they leave this world.
They know nothing about where they are going, and haven't bothered to
find out.  They merely are not equipped and have no knowledge of it.
They could be right in the heart of a beautiful spiritual planet and
would not know it, because they do not have the eyes to see or ears to
hear (spiritually speaking), or fingers to feel, because it is concept
only.  We must stress this point so very, very emphatically because your
own position in life is determined by, and is the product of, concept.
Whatever the reincarnation or cycle happens to be is purely a product of
concept.  Life is nothing else but concept, for there are no limits in
the great Infinite Mind."
Q - "In other words, it is all mind?"
A - "Indeed, in other words, it is all mind.  The result resolves you
right down into how much integration you have with the Infinite.  The
higher you get, the more integration you achieve.  The more abstract you
become in your concept, the more you see and acquire.  So you begin to
see, hear, feel, act, and breathe through every `pore' in your being.
You don't have a physical body then, and need not return to the earth
under normal conditions or circumstances - unless by choice, you choose
to come back to teach in a spiritual way.  You learn to be the oversoul
or the overself and to be the directive force behind some unified action
or some individual contact."
Q - "You were saying that Einstein psychically gave you a different
formula?"
A - "It has something to do with the square root; it is rather abstract
and involves calculus.  It would mean nothing to the class in general
and it may mean nothing to you;  it means absolutely nothing to me
because when you get to the ultimate concepts, mathematical abstractions
mean nothing to you.  You either see or you don't see, and that is all
there is to it.  When you are clairvoyant, you see all things around you
instantaneously without mathematical formula.  Mathematics is just
another crutch to arrive at a certain point in the evolution of your
mentality.  When you get beyond mathematics, you can get into what we
call instantaneous perception and it is quite different.  Mathematics is
very useful and very necessary in this world and dimension in which we
live, but there are going to be a great many scientists and
mathematicians who are going to have to learn a whole new set of rules
when they leave here."
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     "Our time is up for this evening; may we all become ever more aware
and conscious of this vibrating, pulsating, radiant energy which is all
about us; with in us, from which everything in God's great universe is
formed, as it is the Infinite.  The more we can realize and recognize
this fact, the more infinitely conscious we become.


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