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Subject: File of Alt.Magick.Tyagi Rules and Assorted Dogma - FAMTRAD
From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (AMT ADMIN)
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Summary: This is the Rules and Dogma file for alt.magick.tyagi.  Read.
Approved: news-answers-request@mit.edu
Followup-To: alt.magick.tyagi
Replaces: Kali Yuga 49950404
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Revised: 49950803
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	File of Alt.Magick.Tyagi Rules and Assorted Dogma (FAMTRAD)

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I think within a few years,  we will see edited versions of
groups in which competent editors weave out the trivia and index
the material for different tastes.  This type of system (which
will probaly be commercial since reward is necessary for
consistent years of mantainence),  can also include multiple
hierarchies of various subjects.   It should be possible for a
"newbie" to easily acquire "group expertise" (captured in
distelled form through the years) by asking for connections
between various words.  

Andrea Chen  '::PROGRAMMING CYBERSPACE::'
___________________________________________________________


	AMT is an experiment.  It is an experiment in culture, 
	in synthesis, in post-echo-locating.  Being at the nexus 
	between magick and mysticism, AMT includes them both and 
	is yet an ephemeral cross-section of the data that 
	surrounds it.
  
	The way alt newsgroups are proliferating and diversifying 
	illustrates the kind of diffusion within the academic 
	arena as a whole.  AMT is a continual support for synthesis, 
	especially where mages are concerned (who are some of the most 
	syncretic and synthesizing within the 'spiritual community').

	AMT thrives as long as people like yourself occasionally
	Xpost to it, send some of your favorite magical and mystical
	text there, and keep excluding silly fluff from its contents.

	tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (nagasiva)
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This is the regularly posted reference file for the AMT newsgroup. 
If you wish to post to it, you are most welcome to do so provided
you keep the following in mind:


Charter 

Articles shall be reposted and X-posted to alt.magick.tyagi in order 
to create a haven and educational archive/consortium for those with 
serious interest in the study of magick and associated subjects.  It 
is not only a forum for posts but it is also for discussion subsequent 
to those posts and any experimentation with re-/X-posting articles.


Purpose

This group shall be used as a REposting site for articles found in the 
various Usenet hierarchies of interest to mages, including other 
alt.magick.* groups, alt.religion.*, alt.satanism, alt.*.zen,
soc.religion.*, talk.religion.*, and any other group that qualifies.
There shall be no restrictions on who is allowed to post to the group
and yet the group's parameters are clearly stated below.

This group shall also carry subsequent exchanges of threads which are 
of particular interest to mages, tied together via repost and Xpost
so as to ease access to the working, eclectic magical student.

This group shall also function as a place to move very long, complicated 
conversations, philosophical exchanges, regarding magick and associated
subjects that often annoy regular readers of the normal alt.magick.* 
groups yet serve the interests of dedicated specialists.


Posting Rules

As the Neutopian Doctress, Andrea Chen (dbennett@crl.com), writes of Usenet 
newsgroups: "a number of groups are nearly carbon copies of each other", 
and "crossthreads are useful in tying a number of groups (each with 
something unique to add) into a debate".  AMT can be used for this
purpose, exposing the commonality of subjects and patterns within them
to the many readers who will almost certainly prove amateur in all.

For a good set of guidelines, see the Alt.Magick RULES at:

  	 	ftp.portal.com/pub/ss/Web/wfaq/ruleref

Overall, post in a manner which is helpful to others in the newsgroup.
AMT was created to address a specific need.  Posts made to it should 
generally be of three types:

Jocular posts should be rare, only following on discussion initiated
within REposted threads (and curtailed shortly thereafter) or responding
within a Xposted thread in a manner which maintains the integrity of its
header, the substance of its text and respect to other participants, even
while critical and heated debate ensues.

Xposting should be minimized and subtlely can be used to join disparate
disciplines when contributing articles which apply to their intersection
or when a particular post within any newsgroup would likely be of
interest to those whose studies include the subject of magick.

REposts will be the most common, should generally be posted only to 
alt.magick.tyagi.  Their function is to make accessible articles from other 
newsgroups which could be of interest to mages who don't have the time or 
incentive to read *every* group which is relevant to their field.

Take note to indicate in the Followup-To: field where you want the
discussion to proceed after you've posted or REposted the article.
REposts should be made in something like the following manner:

  [a] find a newsgroup other than AMT but pertinent to the subject;
	(if you don't know what's pertinent, don't post, read alt.magick
	for a month or two first and see how this compares with AMT)

  [b] find an article that is thought-provoking, well-researched,
	representative, or otherwise interesting;

  [c] pretend you are going to 'follow-up' but instead of leaving
      	the 'Newsgroups:' 'Reply-To:' lines as you found them, 
	replace the newsgroups with "alt.magick.tyagi" and use the
	address given in the automatic 'response-indicator' 
	("in article , 
 writes:") for both 
	the 'reply-to' field and for what is called an ATTRIBUTION:

	"[from : ]";
 
  [d] remove all the 'quote-symbols' from the text that were applied 
	when you began your follow-up (usually a left sidebar of '>'; 
	this can be done with the command: ':%s,>,' in VI) and be
	sure that the header fields are accurate (sometimes when
	I remove all those >'s I get the first one in the 'References'
	field also, or in the author's name);
 
  [e] You may also change the Subject: header to include the author's 
      name -- first init, last name, then a reasonable subject header 
      with (Was ...) if the original was ugly.  

  [f] I've also begun filling in a 'Followup-to:', especially if I'm
      including forums in my Newsgroup lines that don't like followups,
      alt.magick.chaos, or alt.magick.moderated, which doesn't tend to
      like massive Xposting (I omit these in the Followup-to: field).


Call for Charity

If you have any disk-space you'd like to contribute toward preserving 
some of the better articles that appear here, let me know and we may be
able to work out an arrangement for storage (at least by making your 
available resource known on AMT and elsewhere).


Assorted Dogma

Alt.magick.tyagi is a 'best-of-internet' consortium for mages and mystics
within the Usenet hierarchy.  It is a tool for this effect and whether it
lies fallow or burgeons with ripe infofruits is dependent entirely upon
the dedication of the few who shall remain thankless.

By far the bulk of traffic within the alt.magick.* newsgroups occurs in 
the original group.  Alt.magick.chaos is actually a *working* group which 
includes posts and discussion concerning chaos and chaos magick as 
understood by its regular posters.  Alt.magick.sex was started instead of 
the less popular alt.sex.magick, and includes posts regarding tantra, sex 
magick).  Alt.magick.order and alt.magick.ethics were created in 
frustration at the volume and noise/signal ratio within alt.magick, and 
are being utilized to divide up the various areas of interest that 
collide in the hub group.

One of the advantages of alt.magick.tyagi is that through the REposting
and Xposting procedure (detailed above) many specialists within diverse 
fields are brought together into one forum that allows them to see these 
commonalities.  It thus allows a networking function which would not be
otherwise possible, while the group itself serves as an outlet for a
very verbose and syncretic type of communication.

The word 'tyagi' is Sanskrit (East Indian) and can be literally translated 
as 'monk' or 'one who renounces, or releases all'.  In this way the newsgroup
name symbolizes the fusion of magick and mysticism through the combination 
of terms, and provides a kind of arena in which writings of a decidedly 
esoteric nature may be drawn together, compared, contrasted, and perhaps 
fused into the intellectual equivalent of what the people of alt.magick.chaos 
intend to do actively, ritually, in cyberspace.

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            Comments to: nagasiva (tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com)
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Some of the format and text in this file were stolen from ABOI.  Thanks to 
o.benschop@info.curtin.edu.au for providing the raw material. I've butchered 
the original pretty well by now, i think. :>

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