From turf@netcom.com Sun Jul 17 20:05:55 1994
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 12:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian McInturff 
To: James Daugherty 
Subject: Re: LIBER_files (repaired posting)

Howdy:

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re-request it.  This file contains the following;

1.  The list of quotes which many libernetters use for message
bumpers.  It is also great to read.

FILE: LIBER_QUOTES

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    "In the end more than they wanted freedom, they wanted security.
When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for
society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for was
freedom from responsibility, then Athens ceased to be free."

-- Edward Gibbon (1737-1794)

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    "A government with the policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured
of the support of Paul"

-- George Bernard Shaw

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    "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled,
public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be
tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be
curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt."
 
-- Cicero, 63 BC

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    "It is often easier for our children to obtain a gun than it is to find
a good school."

-- Joycelyn Elders

    "Maybe that's because guns are sold at a profit, while schools are
provided by the government."

-- David Boaz

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    "When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things
to be bought and sold are legislators."

-- P. J. O'Rourke

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    "We hate our politicians so much that even if they tell us they lied, 
we don't believe them."

-- Peter Newman

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    "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want,
and deserve to get it good and hard."

    "There is no underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

    "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and
hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series
of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." 

    "It is now quite lawful for a Catholic woman to avoid pregnancy by a 
resort to mathematics, though she is still forbidden to resort to
physics and chemistry."

-- H.L. Mencken

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    "We find two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately
take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt
ends -- the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of
politicians who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality dominate
and plunder it."

-- Friedrich Engels

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    "One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you
end up being governed by your inferiors."

-- Plato

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    "Every individual necessarily labors to render the annual revenue of
society as great as he can. He generally neither intends to promote the
public interest, nor knows how much he is promoting it. He intends only
his own gain, and he is, in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible
hand to promote an end which was not part of his intention."

-- Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

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    "You need only reflect that one of the best ways to get yourself a
reputation as a dangerous citizen these days is to go about repeating the
very phrases which our founding fathers used in the struggle for
independence."

-- Charles Austin Beard, historian

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    "The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and
wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United
States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and
court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates
that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen
to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."

-- Report of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the
   Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate,
   97th Congress, Second Session ( February 1982 )

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    "I guess you will have to go to jail.  If that is the result of not
understanding the Income Tax Law, I will meet you there.  We shall
have a merry, merry time, for all our friends will be there.  It will
be an intellectual center, for no one understands the Income Tax Law
except persons who have not sufficient intelligence to understand the
questions that arise under it"

-- Senator Elihu Root of NY, 1913

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    "A sure sign of a genius is that all of the dunces are
in a confederacy against him."

-- Frank Lloyd Wright

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    "I am convinced that we can do to guns what we've done to drugs:
create a multi-billion dollar underground market over which we have
absolutely no control."

-- George L. Roman

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    "The politicians don't just want your money.  They want your soul.  They
want you to be worn down by taxes until you are dependent and helpless."

    "When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both."

-- James Dale Davidson, National Taxpayers Union
 
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    "If you think of yourselves as helpless and ineffectual, it is certain
that you will create a despotic government to be your master.  The wise
despot, therefore, maintains among his subjects a popular sense that they
are helpless and ineffectual."

-- Frank Herbert, The Dosadi Experiment

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   "The NSA can have my private key when they pry it from my cold, dead
neurons."
 
   "MS-DOS is like Communism: It doesn't work and you wouldn't want to use
it even if it did."
 
   "If we have to kill 12 people to save 1 human life it will have been
worth it."
 
   "When they took the fourth amendment, I was quiet because I don't deal drugs
    When they took the sixth amendment, I was quiet because I'm innocent.
    When they took the second amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun.
    Now they've taken the first amendment and I can't say anything at all."

    From President Clinton's .cshrc:  "setenv HOME /dev/null."
 
-- Unknown
 
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    "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy.  She is
the well-wisher to freedom and independence of all.  She is the champion
and vindicator only of her own."
 
-- John Quincy Adams
 
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    "I do not believe that the government should have its long nose
poked into the private consensual relationships between people."
 
-- John Anderson, Independent presidential candidate, 1980
 
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    "When goods don't cross borders, soldiers will."
 
-- Fredric Bastiat, early French economist
 
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    "For every new mouth to feed, there are two hands to produce."
 
-- Peter T. Bauer
 
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    "They [The makers of the Constitution] conferred, as against the
government, the right to be let alone - the most comprehensive of
rights and the right most valued by civilized men."

     "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect
liberty when the government's purposes are beneficial ... the
greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by
men of zeal, well meaning but without understanding."
 
-- Supreme Court Justice Louis D. Brandeis, 1928
 
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    "No government has the right to tell its citizens when or whom
to love."
 
-- Rita Mae Brown, novelist
 
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    "Tariffs, quotas and other import restrictions protect the business
of the rich at the expense of high cost of living for the poor.  Their
intent is to deprive you of the right to choose, and to force you to buy
the high-priced inferior products of politically favored companies."
 
-- Alan Burris, A Liberty Primer
 
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    "Perhaps the removal of trade restrictions throughout the world would
do more for the cause of universal peace than can any political union of
peoples separated by trade barriers."
 
-- Frank Chodorov
 
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    "I'm a politician, and as a politician I have the perogotive to lie 
whenever I want."

-- Charles Peacock, ex-director of Madison Guaranty, the Arkansas S&L at
center of Whitewatergate.

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    "Politicians are the same all over. They promise to build a bridge 
 where there is no river."

-- Nikita Khrushchev

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    "We have rights, as individuals, to give as much of our own money as
we please to charity; but as members of Congress we have no right so to
appropriate a dollar of public money."
 
-- David Crockett, Congressman 1827-35
 
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    "The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal
vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the
consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
 
-- John Philpot Curran, 1790
 
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    "Our schools have been scientifically designed to prevent overeducation 
from happening.  [...] The average American (should be) content with 
their humble role in life, because they're not tempted to think about 
any other role."  
                        
-- U.S. Commissioner of Education, William T. Harris, 1889    

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     "The children who know how to think for themselves, spoil the harmony 
 of the collective society that is coming, where everyone would be
 interdependent."  1899

     "Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism
 in the collective society of the future [...] where people will be
 defined by their associations."  1896

-- John Dewey, educational philosopher, proponent of modern public schools. 

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    "Motion pictures are of course a different medium of expression than
the public speech, the radio, the stage, the novel, or the magazine.
But the First Amendment draws no distinction between the various methods
of communicating ideas."
 
-- William O. Douglas, Supreme Court Justice, 1953
 
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    "The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably
by the prohibition law.  For nothing is more destructive of respect
for the government and the law of the land than passing laws
which cannot be enforced.  It is an open secret that the dangerous
increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
 
-- Albert Einstein, "My First Impression of the U.S.A.", 1921
 
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   "Aperi os tuum muto,                             
      et causis omnium filiorum qui pertranseunt.   
    Aperi os tuum, decerne quod justum est,         
      et judica inopem et pauperem."

-- Liber Proverbiorum  XXXI: 8-9 
 
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    "I think the terror most people are concerned with is the IRS."
 
-- Malcolm Forbes, when asked if he was afraid of terrorism
 
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    "Let the people decide through the marketplace mechanism what they
wish to see and hear.  Why is there this national obsession to tamper with
this box of transistors and tubes when we don't do the same for Time
magazine?"
 
-- Mark Fowler, FCC Chairman
 
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    "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
 
-- Benjamin Franklin, 1759

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    "The usual road to slavery is that first they take away your guns, then 
they take away your property, then last of all they tell you to shut up 
and say you are enjoying it."

-- James A. Donald

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    "Every friend of freedom must be as revolted as I am by the prospect
of turning the United States into an armed camp, by the vision of jails
filled with casual drug users and of an army of enforcers empowered to
invade the liberty of citizens on slight evidence."

    "The high rate of unemployment among teenagers, and especially black
teenagers, is both a scandal and a serious source of social unrest.  Yet it
is largely a result of minimum wage laws.  We regard the minimum wage law
as one of the most, if not the most, antiblack laws on the statute books."

-- Milton Friedman, Nobel Prize-winning economist

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    "Nothing can destroy a government more quickly than its failure to 
observe its own laws, or worse, its disregard of the charter of its own 
existence"    

-- U.S. Supreme Court Justice Tom C. Clark - Mapp vs. Ohio

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    "A policy of subsidizing failures will end in an economy strewn with
capital-guzzling industries long past their time of profitability - old
companies that cannot create jobs themselves, but can stand in the way of
job creation."

-- George Gilder, Wealth and Poverty

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    "A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough
to take it all away."

-- Barry Goldwater

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    "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty.  Suspect everyone who
approaches that jewel.  Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright
force.  Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

-- Patrick Henry, 3 Elliot at 45, Debates In The Virginia Convention

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    "No man has ever ruled other men for their own good."

-- George D. Herron

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    "A wise and frugal government, which shall restrain men from
injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate
their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from
the mouth of labor the bread it has earned.  This is the sum of good
government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicity."

    "If we were directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we
would soon want for bread."

    "No nation was ever drunk when wine was cheap."

    "Our liberty depends on freedom of the press, and that cannot be
limited without being lost."

    "Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations - entangling
alliance with none."

    "Sometimes it is said that man cannot be trusted with the government
of himself.  Can he, then, be trusted with the government of others?
Or have we found angels in the forms of kings to govern him?  Let history
answer this question."

    "That government is best which governs the least, because its
people discipline themselves."

    "The care of every man's soul belongs to himself. But what if he neglect
the care of it?  Well what if he neglect the care of his health or his
estate, which would more nearly relate to the state.  Will the magistrate
make a law that he not be poor or sick?  Laws provide against injury
from others; but not from ourselves.  God himself will not save men against
their wills."

    "I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any
party of men whatever, in religion, in philosophy, in politics or in
anything else, where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction
is the last degradation of a free and moral agent. If I could not go to
Heaven but with a party, I would not go there at all."

    "History I believe furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people
maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of
ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders
will always avail themselves for their own purpose. "

    "It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or 
no god.  It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."

    "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and
bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in
government."

-- Thomas Jefferson

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    "If sexual relations between consenting adults are not part of the
right to privacy guaranteed by the Constitution, then the American
democracy is in trouble."

-- Coretta Scott King

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    "Our forefathers made one mistake.  What they should have fought for was
representation without taxation."

-- Fletcher Knebel, historian

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    "...You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.  You cannot lift the
wage earner by pulling down the wage payer..."

    "Prohibition... goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts 
to control a man's appetite by legislation and makes a crime out of things 
that are not crimes... A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very 
principles upon which our government was founded."

-- Abraham Lincoln

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    "Those who do not learn from the mistakes of history are doomed to
repeat them."

-- George Santayana

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    "Every man has a property in his own person.  This nobody has any right
to but himself.  The labor of his body and the work of his hands are properly
his."

-- John Locke, 1690

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    "There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the
people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by
violent and sudden usurpation."

-- James Madison

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    "The sole end for which mankind are warranted, individually or
collectively, in interfering with the liberty of any of their number is
self-protection."

    "A general State education is a mere contrivance for molding people to be
exactly like one another; and as the mold in which it casts them is that
which pleases the dominant power in the government, whether this be a
monarch, an aristocracy, or a majority of the existing generation; in
proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism
over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body."

-- John Stuart Mill, 1859

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    "The primary reason for a tariff is that it enables the exploitation
of the domestic consumer by a process indistinguishable from sheer robbery."

-- Albert Jay Nock

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   "Taxation of earnings from labor is on a par with forced labor.  Seizing
the results of someone's labor is equivalent to seizing hours from him and
directing him to carry on various activities."

-- Robert Nozick, Harvard philosopher

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    "Alcohol didn't cause the high crime rates of the '20s and '30s,
Prohibition did.  And drugs do not cause today's alarming crime rates, but
drug prohibition does."

    "Trying to wage war on 23 million Americans who are obviously very
committed to certain recreational activities is not going to be any more
successful than Prohibition was."

-- US District Judge James C. Paine, addressing the Federal Bar Association
   in Miami, November, 1991

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    "The moral and constitutional obligations of our representatives in
Washington are to protect our liberty, not coddle the world, precipitating
no-win wars, while bringing bankruptcy and economic turmoil to our people."

-- Congressman Ron Paul, 1987

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    "Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom.  It is
the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

-- William Pitt, 18 Nov 1783

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    "Altruism does not mean mere kindness or generosity, but the sacrifice
of the best among men to the worst, the sacrifice of virtues to flaws, of
ability to incompetence, of progress to stagnation--and the subordinating
of all life and of all values to the claims of anyone's suffering."

    "The man who produces while others dispose of his product is a slave."

    "It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone
collecting sacrificial offerings. Where there is service, there is someone
being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice speaks of slaves and
masters. And intends to be master."

    "Contradictions do not exist.  Whenever you think that you are facing
a contradiction, check your premises.  You will find that one of them
is wrong." [Francisco d'Anconia] 

    "Get the hell out of my way!" [John Galt]  

-- Ayn Rand

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    "Pragmatism is the convenient conclusion reached by those who
lack the patience or intelligence to formulate a consistant ideology."

-- Mark Hanley

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    "We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements,
and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide
what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. "

-- Stephen Schneider, environmental activist, in _Discover_, Oct. '89

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    "I oppose registration for the draft... because I believe the security
of freedom can best be achieved by security through freedom."

-- Ronald Reagan

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    "Unless we put medical freedom into the Constitution, the time will come
when medicine will organize into an undercover dictatorship to restrict the
art of healing to one class of men and deny equal privileges to others:  The
Constitution of this Republic should make a special privilege for medical
freedom as well as religious freedom."
 
-- Dr. Benjamin Rush, signer of the Declaration of Independence

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    "When I was a kid I was told anyone could become President.  Now I'm
beginning to believe it."

-- Will Rogers, 1920's

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    "Minimum wage laws tragically generate unemployment, especially among the
poorest and least skilled or educated workers...  Because a minimum wage, of
course, does not guarantee any worker's employment; it only prohibits, by
force of law, anyone from being hired at the wage which would pay his
employer to hire him."

-- Murray N. Rothbard, For a New Liberty

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    "It's no longer an issue of contention that privatization is a solution. 
You can always rely on government to make the right decision, but only after 
it has exhausted every other conceivable alternative."

--  E. S. Savas, a management professor at Baruch College 
    in New York who advised Giuliani during the campaign.

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    "Decriminalization would take the profit out of drugs and greatly reduce,
if not eliminate, the drug-related violence that is currently plaguing our
streets."

-- Kurt L. Schmoke, Baltimore Mayor

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    "Ideas are more powerful than guns.  We would not let our enemies have
guns, why should we let them have ideas."

-- Joseph Stalin

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    "Now what I contend is that my body is my own, at least I have always
so regarded it.  If I do harm through my experimenting with it, it is I
who suffers, not the state."

    "Suppose you were an idiot.  And suppose you were a member of Congress.
But I repeat myself."

    "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes
you nothing. It was here first."

    "It could probably be shown by facts and figures that the only distinctly
native American criminal class is Congress."

-- Mark Twain

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    "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only
exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the
Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the
candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the
result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always
followed by dictatorship."

-- Alexander Fraser Tyler, "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic"

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    "Although I am a strong political conservative, I now believe that the
costs of our fruitless struggle against illegal drugs are not worth the
modest benefits likely to be achieved."

-- Prof. Ernest van den Haag, contributing editor, National Review

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    "A protective tariff is a typical conspiracy in restraint of trade."

-- Thorstein Veblen, economist

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    "Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."

-- Voltaire

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    "It's illegal to say to a voter "Here's $100, vote for me." So
what do the politicians do? They offer the $100 in the form of Health
Care, Social Security, Unemployment Insurance, Food Stamps, tobacco
subsidies, grain payments, NEA payments, and jobs programs."

-- Don Farrar - average guy, age 51

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    "We propose a five-word constitutional amendment: There shall be open
borders.  People are the great resource, and so long as we keep our economy
free, more people means more growth, the more the merrier.  Study after
study shows that even the most recent immigrants give more than they take."

-- Wall Street Journal

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    "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire,
a troublesome servant and a fearful master.  Never for a moment should it
be left to irresponsible action."

    "It is our true policy to steer clear of entangling alliances with any
portion of the foreign world.  The great rule of conduct for us in regard
to foreign nations is, in extending our commercial relations, to have with
them as little political connection as possible."

-- George Washington

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    "Where is it written in the Constitution, in what section or clause
is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents
from their children, and compel them to fight the battle in any war in which
the folly or the wickedness of government may engage it?"

-- Daniel Webster

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    "Reduced employment opportunities is one effect of minimum wage
legislation.  The minimum wage law has imposed incalculable harm on the
disadvantaged members of our society.  The only moral thing to do is to
repeal it."

    "There are many farm handouts; but let's call them what they really are:
a form a legalized theft.  Essentially, a congressman tells his farm
constituency, 'Vote for me.  I'll use my office to take another American's
money and give it to you.'"

-- Walter Williams, economist and syndicated columnist

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    "National Health Insurance means combining the efficiency of the Postal
Service with the compassion of the I.R.S. .... and the cost accounting of
the Pentagon." 

-- Louis Sullivan/Connie Horner quoted by Novak in _Forbes_

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   "The Pen is mightier than the Sword.
    The Court is mightier than the Pen.
    The Sword is mightier than the Court."

-- Rey Barry

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    "Every dollar spent to punish a drug user or seller is a dollar that 
cannot be spent collecting restitution from a robber.  Every hour spent
investigating a drug user or seller is an hour that could have been used
to find a missing child.  Every trial held to prosecute a drug user or
seller is court time that could be used to prosecute a rapist in a case
that might otherwise have been plea bargained.
                     
--- Randy E. Barnett, "Curing the Drug-Law Addiction"

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    "Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the
borders of each state; Everyone has the right to leave any country, including
his own, and to return to his country.  Everyone has the right to seek and to
enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution..."

-- Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Dec. 10, 1948) Approved by the
   United Nations with the nations of the Soviet bloc, Saudi Arabia, &
   South Africa abstaining.

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    "If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power
of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given
by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the courts must abide by
that decision."

-- US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969, 417 F.2d at 1006

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    "Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA -
ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve
the State."

-- Heinrich Himmler

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    "MTV may talk about lighting fires and killing children, but Janet Reno 
actually does something about it."

-- Spy Magazine

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The pig if I am not mistaken
Supplies us sausage, ham, and bacon.  
Let others say his heart is big
I call it stupid of the pig.

-- O. Nash

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    "I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.  
Not screaming in terror like his passengers." 

-- Jim Larkin

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