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From: ewill@hpewill.sje.mentorg.com (Eric Williams @ PCB x5577)
Newsgroups: talk.abortion,alt.abortion.inequity,alt.christnet,alt.religion.christian
Subject: Re: The fetus in the 8th WEEK of pregnancy
Date: 10 Dec 1996 23:01:23 GMT
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In article <32A60EC1.4140@ianet.net>, Kenneth Gore  writes:
> Ray Fischer wrote:
> > 
> > Kenneth Gore   wrote:
> > >Ray Fischer wrote:
> > 
> > >> Correct.  For good or evil, the Bible is not just another book.
> > >
> > >Oh, so you believe that the Holy Bible is just another book?
> > 
> > Gore, to describe you as a stupid dumbshit is to insult all of the
> > stupid dumbshits in the world.  You are a hateful bigot who has not
> > respect at all for any other person; an anti-Christian zealot and
> > exactly the sort that Torquemada would have approved of.
> > 
> > --
> > Ray Fischer
> > ray@netcom.com
> 
> Now, do you see what I mean by permitting your emotions to get the best
> of your mind(judgment, analysis and critical thinking plateaus)?

You have failed to do the following to my satisfaction:

- prove, or show evidence for, your assertion that a zygote is a
  human being and therefore must be protected,
- show specifically where in the Bible it states that God is against
  the abortion procedure (stating that God knew of an individual before
  conception doesn't count)
- show specifically where in the Constitution the statement that unborn
  zygotes/embryos/foetii are citizens
- show specifically where said unborn citizens are blessed with the right to
  life

You also have made the following boner:

- that abortions after birth are possible

and have made repeated statements that God exists and is concerned with a
foetus's well being, despite the following:

- no evidence for Its existence, or Its nonexistence
- conflicting belief systems (e.g., Islam, Christianity, Judiasm)
  with respect to its desires and properties
- internal problems with Biblical lore
- conflicts between Biblical lore and scientifically-established fact.

You are also evidently of the opinion that abortion = murder = extermination,
despite repeated statements that murder specifically excludes abortion in the
United States, and despite the observation that the Holocaust[*] was caused by
the orders of one very sick man, whereas abortions are individual decisions by
each and every woman having one.

Considering all of these missteps and errors, I for one am forced to conclude
that you are either a very good troll or a very bad thinker, and would hope
that you at least have the intelligence to curl up one evening with something
other than Biblical lore. :-)

> When
> you become emotionaly involved relative to rationally resolving a very
> socially and heart-wrenching controversy such as the cruel
> abortion(murder) issue, you tend to spout complete irrelevance which has
> nothing to do with rationally resolving the heinous abortion
> controversy. Please, for your sake get off that tangent and stick to
> debating the abortion(murder) issue in a rational manner.

You first.

[*] Despite claims to the contrary, the Holocaust -- also known as Naziism --
    happened in the late 1930's and early 1940's in (then-)Nazi Germany,
    because of a mistaken belief by one man that Jews were taking over the
    world and because of the collapse of the sociopolitical system that was
    the Weimar Republic.  More information should be available at
    http://www.historyplace.com if you wish to view it on the Web, or in
    your history textbook.

    Or you can visit Dachau.

-- 
eric_williams@mentorg.com
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