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From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (mordred)
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Subject: Art and Magick (Was Re: li'ir and magick)
Date: 25 Feb 1995 10:20:02 -0800
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Kali Yuga 49950225
root@jasmine.brisnet.org.au () writes:
>...some friends and I were discussing art and magick. And
>trying to express (to one of us) what it is to make art or work magick.
Are these related or entirely separate activities? Is 'making art' a
kind of magical working?
>Of how a artist should strip down hir perceptions of something, until
>the true nature of the something is revealed(that which it IS). And then
>"recreate" (or re-express?) it in some new form.
Is this a popular artistic process? Does it conform with the ways of
magick?
>And that, this is the heart of art/magick, a kind of transformation
>(or revelation?).
Perhaps art-magick is the process which uncovers something of ourselves
that allows science-magick to proceed, sending it through another cycle.
That is, through science we develop knowledge sufficient to prepare for
the art. Through the art we transform enough to inspire a renewed science.
>But in explaining this "state" in which experience of something is not
>subjective(nor really objective). Our talk really broke down, because the
>inherent rationality in our explanations was only building walls around
>real understanding. (of a thing that posseses little connection with
>rational thought)
I've had similar difficulties in attempting to rationalize the artistic
process, though I continue to do so. I'm trying to find a matched pair
to the Scientific Method (as described in _Liber Scire_, which is as the
*only* way to learn).
From what we've said above, the Artistic Method (TAM) may be the only
way to *grow* or transform ourselves, generating the grounds for the
hypothesis around which TSM may function.
tyagi
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