From tyr@crl.comFri Feb 24 03:36:47 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:43:06 -0800
From: David G Haren 
To: James Daugherty 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.all-worlds, alt.conspiracy, alt.illuminati
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -- Who Funds World Federalists?

In article  you wrote:
: From: Don R. Calkins 
: To: jhdaugh@a-albionic.com
: Cc: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu
: Subject: Re: Re: WorldGov Paper -- Who Funds World Federalis

: > Do members of the World Federalists and other World Government
: > advocacy  groups really think these organizations are supported by
: > measely  membership dues?

: I can't speak for the World Federalists, but the Baha'i Faith certainly is
: not beholden to the funds of 'the wanna be  CAESARS AND ALEXANDERS of the
: world Multi-National corporate elite".  The Baha'i Faith is one of the oldest
: if not the oldest organization promoting a world goverment.  This position
: has been explicit for about 125 years.  They are also the source of the
: phrase 'new world order', I believe.  It appears in the Baha'i Writings in
: English at least as early as the 1920's. Tho' they don't understand it
: exactly the way that it is commonly used today.


The connection with the Baha'i Faith and World Federalists is one of
simularity of goals even though the reason and methodology are quite
different. Early Baha'is were often members of both groups. You find
the same connections with Esperantists as well, similar goals.

: Can any one direct me to a reference of the history of the Baha'i Faith?  
: I certainly would not want to claim a priori that all supporters of World 
: Government are instruments are covert instruments of the corporate 
: Multi-national Elite.

The definitive history, which is pretty heavy sledding, is "God Passes By".

You can obtain this from almost any Baha'i community. The precursor document
is Nabil's Narrative, published as "the Dawnbreakers" in english, it's quite
expensive but covers the infancy of the religion written by a participant.

There are published yearbooks and large communities may have a full set
available to researchers.

Baha'i funding comes from members only, they have at times passed
donations recieved anonymously on to other charities because of this
restriction. 

Participation in partisan politics is also forbidden to members, so 
they make lousy conspiracy candidates, unless you consider them to
be the ultimate conspiracy to build a planetwide theocracy.

Hope this helps. Sadly these books are written and published by the
Baha'is, since the infancy was only covered in European newspapers
and they've remained fairly obscure without much written by non-members.

Hope this helps a little.

Dave


From Quentin.Lewis@East.Sun.COMFri Feb 24 03:44:16 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:56:45 EST
From: Quentin Lewis - Sun BOS Hardware 
Subject: The Baha'i Faith Page
Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:56:45 EST
Resent-From: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu

The Bahá'í Faith WWW Page



Please Select from the Following:

The Bahá'í Faith, An Introduction

The Promise of World Peace

The Vision of Race Unity



The Bahá'í Faith FTP Archives (Haifa Israel)

Mirror of The Bahá'í Faith FTP Archives - (North America)

Bahá'í Discussion Group (gopher feed of soc.religion.bahai USENET newsgroup)

Bahá'í International Community Information 

          - The Bahá'ís Magazine


From Don_R._Calkins@commonlink.comFri Feb 24 04:00:43 1995
Date: 23 Feb 1995 12:18:59 GMT
From: "Don R. Calkins" 
To: jhdaugh@a-albionic.com
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -- Who Funds World Fed

> Of course, it should be 
> noted the LaRouche group has charged that the Baha'i Faith is controlled 
> by British Intelligence.

That is a charge that was originally made against the early Baha'is by the
Persian Muslim mullahs (priests).  Now they claim that we are controlled by
Israeli intelligence because the world center is on Mount Carmel above the
Bay of Haifa.  I've often wondered why the claim wan't made that we were
under the control of the Russians, since in the early days of the Faith the
Russian government threatened military intervention if Baha'u'llah was
executed in the pogrom against the Babis, as they were known then.  the claim
that we were under the wing of the British government was, I'm sure
givencredence by the fact that the British troups were told to take all steps
necessary to ensure the safety of Abdu'l-Baha, son of Baha'u'llah, when they
took Haifa during WWI.   
The first official message that was sent announced the taking of Haifa .  the
second message stated 'Tell the world.  Abdu'l-Baha is safe'.  He was
subsequently knighted for His humanitarian efforts during WW1, primarily for
having arranged inadvance for large stores of grain to be established, from
which were fed a large portion of that area of Palestine for several years.

There are two histories of the Faith available on the Baha'i World Center
Server.

ftp.bwc.org/bahai/etexts/author/shoghi_effendi/gpb-eng-tx02.zip
ftp.bwc.org/bahai/etexts/author/other/db-eng-tx01.zip

The latter has many French footnotes in the original.  These are translated
in the file fn-eng-tx01.zip

These are also available in many libraries  under the titles 'God Passes By'
and 'Dawnbreakers'.  The first covers the history of the FAith from its
origin in 1844 to 1944.  the second from 1844 to the early 1850's.

The British universities have published some material over the years about
the Faith; but I'm not sure how much is still in print.  The latest of these
that I am aware of is 'The Babi and Baha'i Religions - from messianic Shi'ism
to a world religion' by Peter Smith, published by Cambridge University Press
in 1987.  Course that probably proves we're controlled by British
Intelligence.

Don C



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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:12:13 CST6CDT
From: Alex Alexander 
Reply to: act@fc.net
To: act@fc.net
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -- Who Funds World Federalists?

>
>Answer from James Daugherty:
>
>Can any one direct me to a reference of the history of the Baha'i Faith? 

Last time I looked, there was a FAQ on rtfm.mit.edu.
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From Alethinos@aol.comFri Feb 24 04:01:51 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:25:32 -0500
From: Alethinos@aol.com
To: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -...
Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:25:32 -0500
Resent-From: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu

Dear Mr. D:

   If you wish an imediate answer to your questions about the Baha'i Faith
you can direct them toward me, since I am a Baha'i of twenty years. If you
wish to further research any suspicions you may have, you can contact the
NATIONAL SPIRITUAL ASSEMBLY OF THE BAHA'IS OF AMERICA, located in Wilmette,
IL. You can simply address it as such with the zip - 60091. Or you may
contact the Baha'i International Community, an NGO of the U.N. tele. #
212/756-3528. 

   I can assure you though, that we certainly are not being funded by anyone
except ourselves - and if you have any doubts about that, although I doubt
you'd be allowed to "see the books" a few obvious questions and a search for
the answers would dispell any suspicions. 

If we were being *funded* by anyone else, with ulterior motives - either they
or we would be terribly incompetent if, after 150+ years of existence we are
STILL such a small percentage of the world religious population. Now it is
true, that, after Christianity we are the fastest growing religion in the
world. But that growth comes at the sacrifice of countless thousands of
individual Baha'is - they fund their own efforts.

And on the political side of this obvious suspicion - well look at our
actions. Baha'is are forbidden to become involved in partisan politics,
because it is, by its very nature, divisive. We believe that the survival of
humanity, not to mention its growth and development depend on unity. NOT
conformity, or some *marxist* notion of uniformity, but unity. The history of
the United States of America offers a descent analogy. The Colonies came
together, each with their own goals, attitudes, perceptions, etc. Yet they
did recognize that they had a common interest, and that they did have common
ground - despite their many differences, wants, etc. 

Now, before anyone gets to jumpin' up and down hre with this analogy - I am
just offering this as a quick way for you to understand what is meant, TO
SOME DEGREE - by the term unity. Baha'is believe strongly in the rights of
the individual, and in a community that upholds the principle of self-governme
nt. Now I won't go into all the ramifactions of our philosophy here - but
this should give you some idea.

Of course if you still want to sniff out conspiracy there is nothing I can do
to prevent that. All I can say is that you will not find any evidence - just
hearsay, rumors, theories, etc. usually promoted by those who wish to see us
destroyed. The best thing to do is read our literature, ASK QUETIONS about
what you find there, and investigate this independent of prejudice.

Alethinos, Jim Harrison

Alethinos@aol.com


From glittle@bcsc02.gov.bc.caFri Feb 24 04:02:28 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 09:10:35 -0800
From: glittle@bcsc02.gov.bc.ca
To: jhdaugh@a-albionic.com
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith?

In a recent note you asked:
>Can any one direct me to a reference of the history of the Baha'i Faith? 

You could start by looking at the Baha'i Page at my home page referenced below...

I may be able to help if you have more questions.
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From DanielCMd@aol.comFri Feb 24 04:02:40 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:02:54 -0500
From: DanielCMd@aol.com
Reply to: prj@mail.msen.com
To: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu, prj@garnet.msen.com
Cc: act@fc.net
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -...

 
>Ok, now I have 2 research projects!  Not only must I find-out who funds 
>the World Federalist, but what connections the Baha'i Faith has or has not.

Baha'is have many connections...  (UN Office...  many attempts to communicate
with
government officials world-wide to spread the message of World Peace... and
the importance
of a Unified World).   However, the Baha'i Faith refuses to accept funds from
ANY individual who has not declared his or her belief in Baha'u'llah.  This
includes individuals, groups, corporations, governments, etc.    There are
charities which Baha'is support and are aligned with Baha'i Teachings which
accept funds from anyone, however.

In Haifa, Israel, the Baha'is are doing a massive construction project on the
side of Mount Carmel.
This project is to create an "arc' on the side of the mountain in fulfillment
of Baha'i Prophecy.  
The result will be a beautiful set of gardens, buildings, etc..    This site
is exciting to those in the
area who are not Baha'is because of expected gains in tourism and related
income for the city of Haifa and Israel in general.

The Baha'is have been offered significant funds by the government to help
fund this project, but because of the restrictions on accepting donations
from outside of the Faith, the funds have been removed.   It has been
suggested they could be used to improve other areas of the city of Haifa.

The improvements on Mount Carmel at the Baha'i World Center are instead being
paid for by the millions of Baha'is around the world through significant
sacrifice.

>At this point, I will not make any charges.  Of course, it should be 
>noted the LaRouche group has charged that the Baha'i Faith is controlled 
>by British Intelligence.  However, one cannot believe everything LaRouche 
>says, that is for sure.

LOL..    Actually, the Iranian government has claimed similar types of
connections also...  This is so very untrue.

>Can any one direct me to a reference of the history of the Baha'i Faith?  
>I certainly would not want to claim a priori that all supporters of World 
>Government are instruments are covert instruments of the corporate 
>Multi-national Elite.

Certainly...   you can ftp from ftp.bwc.org...  or call 1-800-999-9019 for
the Baha'i Publishing Trust, and you can request one of several histories of
the Faith.   There are also some web sites with
various amounts of information...

A summary can be found in the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

   - Dan

From DanielCMd@aol.comFri Feb 24 04:03:02 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:02:54 -0500
From: DanielCMd@aol.com
Reply to: prj@mail.msen.com
To: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu, prj@garnet.msen.com
Cc: act@fc.net
Subject: Re: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -...

 
>Ok, now I have 2 research projects!  Not only must I find-out who funds 
>the World Federalist, but what connections the Baha'i Faith has or has not.

Baha'is have many connections...  (UN Office...  many attempts to communicate
with
government officials world-wide to spread the message of World Peace... and
the importance
of a Unified World).   However, the Baha'i Faith refuses to accept funds from
ANY individual who has not declared his or her belief in Baha'u'llah.  This
includes individuals, groups, corporations, governments, etc.    There are
charities which Baha'is support and are aligned with Baha'i Teachings which
accept funds from anyone, however.

In Haifa, Israel, the Baha'is are doing a massive construction project on the
side of Mount Carmel.
This project is to create an "arc' on the side of the mountain in fulfillment
of Baha'i Prophecy.  
The result will be a beautiful set of gardens, buildings, etc..    This site
is exciting to those in the
area who are not Baha'is because of expected gains in tourism and related
income for the city of Haifa and Israel in general.

The Baha'is have been offered significant funds by the government to help
fund this project, but because of the restrictions on accepting donations
from outside of the Faith, the funds have been removed.   It has been
suggested they could be used to improve other areas of the city of Haifa.

The improvements on Mount Carmel at the Baha'i World Center are instead being
paid for by the millions of Baha'is around the world through significant
sacrifice.

>At this point, I will not make any charges.  Of course, it should be 
>noted the LaRouche group has charged that the Baha'i Faith is controlled 
>by British Intelligence.  However, one cannot believe everything LaRouche 
>says, that is for sure.

LOL..    Actually, the Iranian government has claimed similar types of
connections also...  This is so very untrue.

>Can any one direct me to a reference of the history of the Baha'i Faith?  
>I certainly would not want to claim a priori that all supporters of World 
>Government are instruments are covert instruments of the corporate 
>Multi-national Elite.

Certainly...   you can ftp from ftp.bwc.org...  or call 1-800-999-9019 for
the Baha'i Publishing Trust, and you can request one of several histories of
the Faith.   There are also some web sites with
various amounts of information...

A summary can be found in the Encyclopedia Brittanica.

   - Dan

From jhdaugh@a-albionic.comFri Feb 24 04:04:09 1995
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:34:56 -0500 (EST)
From: James Daugherty 
To: New Paradigms Discussion 
Cc: worldgov ,
    Against Constitutional Terrorism 
Newsgroups: alt.religion.all-worlds, alt.conspiracy, alt.illuminati
Subject: Who Funds Baha'i Faith? -- Who Funds World Federalists?
Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:34:56 -0500 (EST)
Resent-From: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu

From: Don R. Calkins 
To: jhdaugh@a-albionic.com
Cc: worldgov@tomahawk.welch.jhu.edu
Subject: Re: Re: WorldGov Paper -- Who Funds World Federalis

> Do members of the World Federalists and other World Government
> advocacy  groups really think these organizations are supported by
> measely  membership dues?

I can't speak for the World Federalists, but the Baha'i Faith certainly is
not beholden to the funds of 'the wanna be  CAESARS AND ALEXANDERS of the
world Multi-National corporate elite".  The Baha'i Faith is one of the oldest
if not the oldest organization promoting a world goverment.  This position
has been explicit for about 125 years.  They are also the source of the
phrase 'new world order', I believe.  It appears in the Baha'i Writings in
English at least as early as the 1920's. Tho' they don't understand it
exactly the way that it is commonly used today.

Don C

Answer from James Daugherty:

Ok, now I have 2 research projects!  Not only must I find-out who funds 
the World Federalist, but what connections the Baha'i Faith has or has not.

At this point, I will not make any charges.  Of course, it should be 
noted the LaRouche group has charged that the Baha'i Faith is controlled 
by British Intelligence.  However, one cannot believe everything LaRouche 
says, that is for sure.

Can any one direct me to a reference of the history of the Baha'i Faith?  
I certainly would not want to claim a priori that all supporters of World 
Government are instruments are covert instruments of the corporate 
Multi-national Elite.

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