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Transcript -- Art Bell Interview of Gordon-Michael
Scallion and Stan Deyo
Date of Interview: 12/8/95 as broadcast on Denver KHOW
AM630 
File: Bell12-8.txt  File size: 66,688 bytes

Editors Note:  During the radio interviews, the speakers
often talked over each other and interrupted the other
speaker making an accurate transcription very difficult. 
The reader is advised to consider purchasing the radio show
audio tape from Art Bell,  when available, in order to be
able to hear all the voice inflections and talk-over
comments.  These are as not easy to reproduce in a written
transcript. 

INTERVIEW OF SCALLION

(Bell)   (Gives warning to his listeners to turn off radio and
get children out of room because of the nature of the
following interview which is prophesy and may be
frightening) Those of you who know Gordon-Michael
Scallion are going to be shaken.  No pun intended. Those of
you who dn't are about to learn something about him.  He
is considered by many, if not most, to be the modern-day
Edgar Cayce.  I know him personally and have had many
long conversations with the man.  And I will simply give
you my sense, that of all those out there, if there is a real
McCoy, believe me Gordon-Michael Scallion is the one. 
Having said that if this kind of programming disturbs you,
TURN OFF THE RADIO NOW.  If it disturbs you turn and
listen to another show where you will hear far more
mundane but bearable topics.  If you have children in the
room, get them out of the room.  This is a decision for you
to make and it will bother them, get them out of the room. 
In a moment coming up an interview with Gordon-Michael
Scallion and then an interview with Stan Deyo that will
punctuate the Scallion interview.  It will probably run an
hour-and-a-half, we'll see. All in all perhaps up to two
hours.  

(Commercial Break)

     All Right I'm going to presume by now you've got
the little ones out of the room and if you personally can not
handle the kind of information you're about to get, you too
have left.  That in mind I will simply present what I have. 
The following, an interview done earlier today with
Gordon-Michael Scallion.  Here with me now is Gordon-Michael Scallion.
Gordon, welcome to the program.  

(GMS) Yes, Good afternoon.

(Bell)  Actually, it's probably morning by the time we play
this.  Gordon, the first fax I got was, you know the old hair
on the back of the neck, stand-up kind of fax and it has led
to your release this morning.  I guess you sent this to me
about 6AM, my time, this morning.  Gordon, there's a
whole new audience out there.  We're on the air now in Los
Angeles ( KABC), San Diego (KOGO) and San Francisco
with KSFO and it will be apparent to all these people why I
mention these stations here in a moment, I suppose. A lot
of people have never heard you before.  So can we do the
short version, Gordon, of how all this began with you, the
accident and then the abilities and then the visions

(GMS)  Sure, I'll take a few minutes to do that.  1979
began my introduction as a futurist.  Prior to that time I was
in electronics, specifically I was in communications.  In
1979 I lost my voice abruptly one day.  It was as if 
someone had removed my larynx, no pain, no discomfort, a
lot of fear. I thought I was having a mid-life crisis or a
stroke.  I ended up in the hospital for tests and observations. 
That evening, and while in the hospital unable to speak,
wired with IV's in my arm and different probes on my
body, in a room, hospital room at eleven o'clock at night,
the room lit up and a series of colors and lights danced
about the room.  And it eventually, in a thirty minute time
period, advanced to a point where a series of visions were
shown to me and a woman explained what they were and
described things that would be happening in my lifetime to
myself and things that would be happening to the world.

     The next morning my voice came back to normal.  I
panicked and went through a series of tests.  They found
nothing wrong.  I began a series of tests with psychiatrists,
psychotherapists, all conventional things, at this stage.  The
visions continued and within days, literally, events that I
had seen in those visions began to occur.  That led me to a
two-year time period of withdrawal where I simply
withdrew from everyone I knew and pretty much went into
isolation trying to figure out what was wrong with me.  An
then in 1982 I decided that since this wasn't going to stop
that I needed to find some kind of a framework for why it
was happening.  And I began to deal with my fears.  So I
took three years before I was even willing to deal with the
fact that this might be a natural thing rather than some form
of a crisis that I was going through or some kind of a
mental disorder or disease.  And I found that throughout the
80's I was able to use these visions, which would come
spontaneously, to help people.  And so I conducted
thousands of sessions in the 80's, mostly on health issues
and finding missing eople and things of that nature.  I did
it very quietly. 

     And then back in 1989, stopped, the visions would
no longer occur for individuals but instead the only visions
I began to see was the Earth.  Now I had seen, as early as
1982, visions of the Earth as viewed from space.  And I
look at the Earth and what I saw was much different than
the Earth that we know.  Everything had changed, the land
masses had changed, even the colors, that we now take for
granted, had changed.  I didn't know when it was or how it
happened.  But I did sketch out a map of it in 1982.

(Bell)   And that is where the Earth Changes Map came
from?

(GMS)  Correct.  That was the first edition of the "Future
Map of the United States".  It was received very poorly at
that time.  I thought that people might be interested in this
map.  I did 100 copies of it for key individuals and I
thought they could do some research work since my
background is technical my thought was let's approach this
technically.

(Bell)  Instead it probably made them angry.

(GMS)  It induced a lot of fear because the time frame, you
have to remember, was the roaring 80's like the roaring
20's.  You know every day a new credit card was arriving in
the mail for most people and the good times were just
rolling.  And no one wanted to hear about things that were
going to happen from 1989 through 1998 which is when I
was able to discern that's when the greater changes would
begin.  They would being in  89 and then they would
accelerate in  95.  And so they just didn't want to hear
about it.

     So I left that and spent the next two years simply
recording down things that I was seeing, trying to refine
things that I was seeing.  Because one of the early events
that I was told to watch for, that would signal the beginning
of great changes geologically, was an earthquake in San
Francisco.  And it said when that would happen then we
would see a whole new range of things.  We would see
volcanic activity in the Philippines.  We would see massive
changes in Japan (uninteligible) and of course we had
Kobe .  And then hurricane Andrew, massive hurricanes.

(Bell) You hit that one on the noggin by the way.  The
hurricane season was one of the greatest of all time, this
last hurricane season.  But more to the point, the last time
you did an interview with me, Gordon, do you remember
saying "watch Etna and watch Vesuvius"? 

(GMS)  Yes, I do.

(Bell)   And you said that would be the key to the
beginning, and sure enough I about fell on the floor.  There
is, there was a CBS report on Vesuvius  in which a 
geologist, an Italian  geologist, said "she's getting ready to
go".  And there is a voluntary evacuation plan which
nobody is paying attention to I might add, for about one
half million people below Vesuvius.  And then I began to
get reports of tremors, serious tremors and action at Etna. 
And it about floored me.  So I guess it about floored you?

(GMS)  I was guided to go to Vesuvius  last year.  I had a
series of dreams and a vision that simply said, "Go" and
that "I would understand more".  So I have  learned that
when these things happen to me I have to trust them even
though I may not understand them at the time.  And so I did
go there and, while I was there, visions came very
Technicolor.  When I see in full color, very detailed color, I
know that we're close, we're within two years.  I've learned
in doing this for fifteen years that the detail and the depth
of the color is kind of an indication to me of how close we
are.

(Bell)  You once said, Gordon, that you would see three,
what would appear to be three television sets, not really,
but three screens, or three  possibilities with one being
more likely in the center, I think, than the others. 

(GMS)  That's correct.  It's like watching three news
channels, they're all giving the same news but from
different perspectives. The vision that is gray, for example,
tells me that's a long shot, the one that kinda has muted
colors tells me that it's possible that this second picture
could become a reality.  The one that's colorful ells me
that this is the probable outcome.  And I want to emphasize
the fact that it's probable.  Now I've learned why I see
three visions. I've learned that there are some things that I
see that are so strong in the universal consciousness that the
probability is that the event will occur.  But when I see
these three events, in different shades of color, it tells me
that there are some wild cards in there. 

     And the biggest wild card is how the community is
living.  If an event happens to be an influence in a
particular area, I've learned that the people in that area,
what they're doing with technology, what they're doing
with their lives, how they interact, a lot of that has to do
with how the Earth responds.  It's like a symbiotic
relationship we have. And so when I only see one vision it
tells me that the amount of energy that would be required to
shift the event is very remote.  When I see a couple of
visions, then I know that there is still a possibility, is still a
potential.  Now that does not mean, that at the eleventh
hour, that enough people could get together, focus an
incredible amount of energy and maintain that energy for
hour after hour as a vigil.  A one-shot basis doesn't do that. 
I've learned that.  I've actually observed it. 

     One of the things that I have been able to do is to
actually see the energy as a color that emanates from the
Earth.  As I fly over certain cities I can see what is going on
and once I've been to a city I no longer have to physically
go there.  I could be in my New Hampshire studio and,
simply with a photograph of that area, I can, kind of, be
there some how, some process and I can tell what's going
on.  Right now the visions that I'm seeing are a bright

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From : i_ufo-l                                                 1:330/201
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colorful one and that's the only one I'm seeing.

(Bell)  Before we get to that one we better go back to
March of  95 because this is documented. It's important
that everybody understand you don't just come at this after
the fact or just before the fact.  Back in March of  95 in
your Earth Changes Report, what did you predict?

(GMS) Well actually as early as January was the first
announcement I made on our hot line, our weekly Earth
Change Report Update Hotline.  In there I identified the
fact that I saw a pattern that was going to occur in 1995.  A
pattern of four quakes and this would happen three times. 
And then in February and then in March I gave more
specifics about this pattern.  And the pattern was that four
quakes would occur.  The first time it would occur, it would
begin in the January- February time frame.  And it would
begin with a quake of a magnitude average, the four quakes
would average 6.5 in magnitude.  And it would be, first, hit
Japan.  Second, it would hit the South Pacific or Indian
Ocean region.  Third it would hit South America and lastly
it would hit somewhere on the West Coast of America. 

     So that was the first four-quake scenario.  I said it
would repeat itself again in the May- June time period of
 95, with that same four patterns, except that this time the
magnitude would rise a half a point.  It would be 7.0
average range and then I said it would repeat itself a third
time, the same four quakes, and that would occur in the
December- January time period (1995-1996).

(Bell)  The first series, actually the first two series of
quakes, occurred exactly as you predicted with respect to
time and location.

(GMS)  And magnitude.

(Bell)  And magnitude.  I don't know if anyone has ever
done any number crunching, but the odds of that must be 
astronomical.

(GS)  I don't know either.  I know that I'm always
amazed myself when I see an event occur and when there is
a strong event it's much different.  When you make a
prediction, say that something is going to happen, for
example  in California, we know that there is a potential of
activity already going on in California.  But now if you
string the prediction, we say I think it's going to happen on
this date and it's going to happen in this magnitude and in
this epicenter, the odds increase.  Now if you take and
string eight of those events together then the odds
obviously become astronomical. I don't know what they
are.  I'm amazed when any of them occur, let alone these
two cycles.  And the third cycle, of course, just began a
little over a week ago in Japan.

(Bell)   Isn't it fully, it was reported, Gordon, an 8.0  but it
was 850 miles North of Tokyo in an area where people do
not live.  And so even though the press reported it as one of
the great geological events of all time in the 8.0 range, there
was no more reporting because there weren't a whole
bunch of buildings that fell down.  But that it's still the
beginning of the, well I hesitate to say, the final cycle, it's
not really the final cycle, is it?

(GMS)  No, it  just indicates my particular prediction is that
what I look for, is early warning signs.  I look, instead of
just saying, here is the prediction something is going to
happen.  The value that I see of predictions are: (a)  You
change it.  You know something's going to happen.  You
know, like you know there's going to be a car accident at
the junction of Fourth Avenue and Third Street, at 12
o'clock.  And if you sense that, you say OK, I'm not going
to go down that street that day.  You know you changed an
event.  Or (b)  You prepare for the event, you do things that
can prepare for it.  In this case, I look for events.  When I
see an event in the future, I then back up and I try to look
for other things for two reasons.  One is that it gives us
more warning.  It also allows people to see the crediility
of who the forecaster is.  If we have a series of events that
have been predicted that are occurring, the odds are such
that the future events should be at least considered.  And all
I hope to accomplish is that by publishing everything and
putting everything on the line, far in advance, is that as
these things begin to happen, that people can then make
their own decisions of whether or not these things are
potential hazards or not.  

(Commercial Break)

     And as these things begin to happen, that people
then can make their own decisions of whether or not these
things are potential hazards or not.  Right now, of course, 
the conventional geologic statement is that "a big one" is
going to hit the West Coast.  I mean it was gonna be 50
years, then it was going to be 30 years, now they're down
to just decades.  The information has come out in the past
year, many of them now feel it's overdue.  Many scientists
actually feel that the event is long overdue and if it
happened any moment they wouldn't be surprised.

(Bell)  You said that in your fax that what you predict and
what the scientists are predicting are the same thing , just
the severity and the time may differ, that s about it.  But
you and science are getting very close together.  And by the
way, while we are on that score, before we get to what's
coming, a lot of people, religious people, will say, prophets
are not prophets unless they're 100%.  And they will sort of
just turn it off at that point.  There was a program, a
shocking program, on Nightline a few nights ago.  And on
that program they had CIA people, a former CIA head, as a
mater of fact, and others who came on and said, "Yes the
government has been engaging in remote viewing and has
been using psychics.  In fact, continues to use three of them
to this date" And that ought to jog a few people. They've
spent upwards of about 20 million dollars on it.  And so, all
of a sudden, a lot of what has seemed to a lot of religious
people, dark and mysticism and the dark areas, now is out
in the oen.  All of a sudden, Gordon.  

(GMS)  We are in that window of time and consciousness
as we approach this new millennium where anything that
was a secret, anything that was shrouded in secrecy, gets
ripped away.  A large part of that has to do with the fact
that we have this incredible global communications
network and we have so many watch groups that are
watching everything.  And so things that perhaps could
have gotten away with, during the cold war,  is very
difficult to do today.  There's enough people who are
watching it. 

     The biggest thing I think, the biggest break-through
I think is that everybody's intuition is increasing, everyone. 
What I do is, I think,  is going to become more and more
common.  I do not consider myself a prophet, I never have. 
I consider myself a futurist and someone who sees visions. 
I happen to believe in God, personally.  I happen to believe
that all of the things that I see is a portion of this God
consciousness.  But I don't really know personally any
prophet, I don't know of any prophet, even in Biblical text,
I don't know of any prophet that we can consider are 100%. 
You know I haven't read a book that says here is a list of
prophets and here is their hit and miss ratios.  Is there a
general prophesy that could span thousands of years at a
time, it is very difficult to tell when that event did or did
not happen?

     So I always try to be very specific in what I say so
that if I'm wrong, I clearly state that I'm wrong.  And there
is a percentage out of every 100.  This year it looks like
there's going to be less than last year but it looks like, that
out of every 100 forecasts we made so far, about eleven of
them have not occurred.  So there is a error ratio in here.

(Bell)  Yea, the hit percentage is about 89% by my count.

(GMS)  That's what it looks like, but we'll see how the
final numbers come through at the end of the month here. 
We still have some major predictions out and we'll have to
see. 

(Bell)   All Right when you saw the visions in January,
when ou looked at the screens, how colorful, how bright,
how likely, were the events back then?

(GMS)  Last January, I think it was actually December, is 
when I first started seeing the sequence.  But until I see a
vision three times I don't even deal with it, I don't publish
it, I don't even talk about it. And so I think it was probably
November or December that I first started seeing it.  And at
that time, everything I saw, I saw three screens and all three
screens were colorful.  So this is something new for me to
see all three of them colorful.  And then what I finally
realized was that what I was watching was the SEVERITY
of the events.  In other words, it was showing me that these
events were going to happen.  And the only variable here
was the SEVERITY of the release of each event.  So the
answer would be that they were colorful at that time and it
has not changed.  Now we're down to one screen now. 

(Bell)   One screen to you, what does that mean?

(GMS)  It tells me that the release of energy, should this
next event occur, the next event is a key one.  Should it
occur, the release of energy is going to be high.  In other
words, I'm forecasting that there would be an 8.0 as an
average of these four quakes that are occurring.

(Bell)  The first having been in, north of Japan.

(GMS)  However, my sense is now that the release will be
far greater than 8.0, my sense is that we're going to see a
release in some areas that will exceed 9.0.

(Bell)  All right, I deal with a man now, bright guy down in
Australia, whose name is Stan Deyo.  He takes satellite
imagery, a different approach than yours of course, Gordon. 
And he looks at it for what he calls, "hot spots," warm
areas in the ocean or on the surface that indicate there's a
change.  And he says that he can see it on the satellite
imagery and he's got it up on the Internet.

(GMS)  Well the area that I would hope he would be
searching for right now is the Indian Ocean.

(Bell)   Well, it's strange that you would say that.  Because
I'm going to play that intrview following this.  I talked to
him the night before last.  I told him that the second quake
in your scenario would be in the Indian Ocean.  He pulled
that up and he almost said a word that couldn't be 
broadcast about the Indian Ocean.  And he said it's building
in the India Ocean.  It's just beginning and it's going to be
big.  His words, I'll play the interview.  The audience can
hear it following this one.  I put that together and I almost
said a word that you couldn't say on the air.  So, Gordon,
let's follow it through now.  If the event in the Indian
Ocean occurs or in that area, an 8.0 or greater magnitude. 
What follows?

(GMS)  OK.  The vision that I see indicates that either the
South Pacific or the Indian Ocean.  If the event releases in
the Indian Ocean, which I suspect it will, then it will,  it
tells me where the fourth quake will occur.  And the fourth
quake will occur, will be outside of South America and it 

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will move up into the United States.  If it occurred, if the
quake occurred in the South Pacific,  then I would expect
the release of energy to be down into in Mexico or South
America.  Right now my sense  is, and I've been seeing
visions for about a month now about the Indian Ocean. 
And I've been trying to pinpoint where I see it.  I know it's
going to be in the ocean floor rather than on land.  And I
know it's, the release is going to be somewhere, south of
Sri Lanka, somewhere in that area. But it can have a wide
berth.  I mean it literally could be a 500 mile latitude
movement.

     But in the Indian Ocean, regardless, if that occurs,
then the fourth event will occur and it will, I believe, not
only be a singular quake, but it will trigger a series of 
"domino quakes." And that would signal a line, in fact
those who want to get a map out of the United States can
draw a line on the map.  They can just make a note right
now and then later get a map and draw the line. But you
would take a point which would be in British Columbia,
Vancouver.  Then take a line from British Columbia down
all the way through to Eureka , California.  And then draw
the line down through the Palm Springs region, down
through San Diego, and then out into the Baja.  Along that
line is an area that I see as a "rupture line".  It's a line I
think will trigger it. The quakes will occur within a 50 mile
either side of that line or on that line, but the earth would be
50 miles on either side of it.  And that would be into the
Palm Springs region, it would bring it up into San Diego
proper.

(Bell)  Within 50 miles or 100 miles?

(GMS) Yes, I'm giving a wide berth here because when I
see this rupture from space, it looks like, I don't know if
you've seen photographs of the San Andreas Fault?

(Bell)   I have.

(GMS)  ou can see, it looks like a tear on the land.  This is
kinda what I see, but when I see it, it looks like it's such a
large area that it ripples.  It looks like a rippling effect. 
That when I finally drew all the lines over and over again, I
said, OK, here's a margin of area.  Then it would go from
San Diego all of the way up to Palm Springs and then up to
San Francisco and the Bay area.  All three of those areas I
have seen fairly DESTROYED by  97, by the completion
of  97. 

(Bell)   Being clear, San Diego, Los Angeles, San
Francisco, all three areas?

(GMS)  I see all three areas greatly damaged by, not one
quake, but by a series of quakes.  Now these quakes,
whether they happen simultaneously, I doubt, but I do
believe that there will be enough of a shift in the land along
that line that it will cause damage along that line.

(Bell)   Within days, within weeks?

(GMS)  These things could be, I would say within, in some
cases, could be within hours or days.
But at this stage, the only thing that I am fairly certain of  is
that should the Indian Ocean quake occur, that we will have
a major release in the Los Angeles area. The other two
events, that remains to be seen.  I have not, the visions still,
when I look to the year 1998, for example, I see that
everything has pretty much occurred, all of the major
changes have occurred.  At least for that, what I call, the
first cycle of my Future Map.  To be able to nail down an
accurate date before that, I find that the best process is to
use the series of events that happened before.  Like watch
for this, if this happens, then the likelihood of the next
event. So, any ways, in the December-January time frame,
which is when this current cycle is running, I would expect
that we would have a minimum of one quake that probably
will exceed 9.0. Beyond that I do not know. 

(Bell)  When we did an interview some time ago, that
marathon interview  we did, you said  there would be this, 
you referred to this series of quakes, awful enough 8.0 or
8+ in these large cities on he West Coast.  Then you said
you actually saw refugees streaming out across out of
California and across my area, thank you very much, and
eastward.  Do you still foresee that prior to an even greater
cycle?  

(GMS) Yes I do. That will probably be one of the first
things, one of the first egresses will be from right around
Barstow, Route 15, that portion will be open from Barstow,
East and I see a lot of that movement into Nevada.  And
then tent cities, which I've been predicting, since I began
publishing the Earth Changes Report,  along the borderline. 
There's many tent cities literally housing, you know
hundreds of thousands of people in multiple tent cities
along the areas.  So that's one of the, the first areas that I
see, the first migration areas is in that area.  Later there will
be others, other migration routes further North, obviously,
and further South.

     There will be enough warning.  One of the things
that I have seen and something has changed in the past four
years that I've been publishing.  And that is I was trying to
see back then the extent of the damage so that I could
understand what people had to watch out for.  The biggest
thing I saw was not from the quake. The biggest thing I saw
was from glass and water, that was the biggest loss of life. 
You would think with buildings collapsing and things like
that, but somehow while there was a large loss, there was
enough warnings that there was a major percentage of
people that heeded the warnings and then did something
about it.  So it kinda indicates to me that there was enough
of a warning as each of that increases.  You know if you
think how recently we had Northridge.

(Bell)  People would begin to listen, in other words.  

(GMS)  Yeah, yeah and Kobe is still fresh in our memory.

(Bell)  And the Japanese thought they had their buildings
built earthquake-resistant and sort of  held their noses up
saying, "our buildings will not fall down in an earthquake". 
Well they fell down.

(GMS)  Well, I have personally spoken to many people in
te government and people involved in Japan in this field. 
And their scientists have already told them, their various
shamans and intuitives have .  So the scientists and the
intuitives are together there.  They have acknowledged that
in '96 they fully expect to see unprecedented quakes that
may reach magnitudes that may require new scales.  And
that's what they have personally have told me.  So they
know it. They know what they have done isn't going to be
enough.  And so they're starting to work on other things, on
other possibilities, more on preparedness and disaster after-effects. 

(Bell) The volcanic activity, the magma movement, drives
both the volcanic activity and the seismic activity.  In other
words you feel there is a center of magma in the earth that,
I think, is shifting.  Is that correct?

(GMS)  My visions show me that there is a displacement in
the earth core relative to our geocentric pole.  So if we look
at it we see it as an orange with an outer jacket, and the
inside being the material of the orange, it's kinda like that. 
We have some, scientifically we have some, theories about 
how the earth is really made up, but we're not really sure.  

(Commercial Break) 

(Bell)   All right, I'm going to hold the interview right
there, do a couple of things.  When we come back I'm,
going to actually turn it back, in deference to the stations
that are going to be joining us at 1AM or this next hour. 
Replay, I hardly ever do this, but some of what he just said
is so important that it bears repeating.  

(Commercial Break)

(Bell)  Good morning everybody.  We're doing an
interview with Gordon-Michael Scallion.  He is a prophet. 
If prophecy bothers you and scares you, turn to another
station.  If you have children in the room, even at this hour,
get them out please.  I'm very serious about that.  We're
midway through the interview but I've done something
unprecedented because we've got a lot of West Coast
stations joining us at this hour.  I've backed it up a little bit
to the beginning of the very serius portion of the prophecy
of Mr. Scallion.  And we are going to continue within just a
moment.  

(Commercial break)

(Bell)  Once again, having issued the warning, here's a bit
of the repeat and more of the specific, very specific
prediction of Gordon-Michael Scallion, for the near term. 
Listen carefully.

(Bell repeats portions of previous material by Scallion and
then goes on to continue the interview)

(GMS)  We haven't penetrated into the core of the Earth
and we really don't know.  My visions indicate that the
magma core has been displaced already and it's seeking
new pathways.  And it's generating heat in areas that
normally hasn't.  Those areas specifically are the ones that I
have reported on which was Alaska, which we said would
literally begin melting.  And we also said that in the Pacific
we would see El Ninos,  multiple, not a single, but
multiple. And those events appeared to have been
confirmed scientifically as occurring. 

     And so that's part of  the displacement area.  Out in
the Pacific I actually see the mantle cracked for hundreds of
miles.  And so I think that this displacement of this magma
material shifts the equilibrium of the earth.  And then
whatever is being stressed, wherever the pressure goes, it
will relieve some areas and stress other areas.  Then it's just
a matter of triggers which could be the moon for example. 
Here in December we have a very close path of the moon. 
We also have other astronomical events going on.  So we
have a lot of potential triggers that I believe take part as a
potential battery that can trigger a quake. And that's not the
only thing, but there are a lot of things going on around this
same window time frame.  So this magma displacement, I
believe, will alter magnetic fields, eventually creating new
compass headings and at the same time causing crustal


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displacement.

(Bell)   If you were to speak to people in Los Angeles, San
Diego, San Francisco, along the West Coast, how would
advise them?

(GMS)  I think there's enough things that have already
happened in their lives.  Most of us are concerned about
things that are everyday.  We're concerned about our jobs,
our relationships, our economy, our political structure.  And
we tend to seek things that we can escape from.  So we get
caught up in the news media and stories and anything we
can to kind of escape.  Occasionally nature comes along
and throws an event on us that kinda wakes us up.

(Bell)  It makes our other disputes seem not very important.

(GMS) Right. I say that, you know we've got two events
here that have been significant, especially Northridge and
Kobe are very significant events.  We've got a lot of
warning signs that nature has taken another course.  You
know we predicted that there were going to be 20 named
storms this year and 12 hurricanes. We haven't seen this
since 1933.  It means it was an unprecedented year.  Next
year I'm forecasting that there will be more than that.  Next
month I'll come out with my predictions for  96 and one of
those things I know now is that we're going to increase
that.  So the whole ecosystem relationship has changed.  So
I think what people need to do is take some time each day,
whether it's in a prayer, a meditation or just gazin at
nature, or just spacing-out.  And I think if everybody just
kind of becomes aware of a quiet time in their life, a
timeout time.  And it doesn't have to be long, it could be a
matter of a few minutes. I think that they're going to
receive personally any warnings that they need to have. 

     I cannot tell people the hour. I can tell you the event
and I'm fairly confident that the events will occur.  The
wild card is time, but even on an outset we might be talking
a year or two years which is nothing in geological time. 
And I think that people need to, if they haven't done so
before, they need to prepare a early-warning preparedness
kit for the family.  They should have one in the car for sure. 
I suggest they get a backpack and figure you're going to go
camping with your whole family for three days.  And
whatever you would need to go camping for three days, put
it in the backpack and put it in your trunk of your car and
forget it.  And do the same thing at home. Think about the
things you have at home.  Also, you know, if you haven't
done a drill about places that would be safe in the home, or
an evacuation route, and it happens to be a weekend and
you're looking for someplace to drive to, try seeking out
some kind of evacuation route.

     When these things happen it comes "like a thief in
the night".  It happens at the unapportioned time.  You just
don't know.  And all of a sudden it happens and you find
yourself in that position where you're in a survival position. 
If you have done some preparedness ahead of time and just
put it away and you take this time, this three minutes each
day, whatever you need, whatever your family needs to
become aware, it will be.  I do not advocate that everybody
should, you know, pack up their cars and vans and leave
California.  I think that's a mistake.  I think people should
only leave if some part of their "essence" says "I need to be
someplace else" and not being strictly from fear.  If there's
some part of your being that just knows it is not good for
me to be in te area, then those decisions each person has to
make.  But I have learned that if you take a simple small
step, a little preparedness step, it sets into motion some
spiritual laws of awareness.  And they will simply manifest,
you will see it in your dreams, you will see it in your sense.

(Bell)   All right here we go, because of your public stature,
because of my public stature, Gordon I bet you have been
getting calls, I've been getting the calls, they have been
increasing exponentially.  People keep calling me and
saying "I can feel it, something is coming".  More and more
and more calls like that, people out there feel this already.  I
bet you get the same calls.

(GMS)  We have a large staff on and we try to disseminate
information to reach as many as we can. I've got some
national television shows coming up very shortly which
will cover some of these things.  I try to reach as many
people as I can.  I try to make it not  "fear-based", but it's
very hard when we're talking about the kind of changes
we're talking about.  I can say this, I can say that my
experience as a futurist as we get closer to an event, the
event get stronger.  And it means it gets stronger in the
collective consciousness.  When John Kennedy was
assassinated, Jean Dixon was one of the first ones to
receive specifics.  But even before he was assassinated
there were thousands of people who began calling and
saying they that they saw something terrible happening. 
They didn't have the specifics but they sensed it.  In the
past month, I probably have had more contact with
visionaries, with scientists, with subscribers to the Earth
Changes Report,  just sharing dreams than I have had if I
was to put together in any five years.  Now the
commonality of all of this was not so much of a date but
the commonality was that they all sensed that something in
the Earth was about to happen.

     And the amazing thing to me was that most people
felt that it wasn't five years and it wasn't three years, and it
wasn't two years.  So the collective consciosness to them
beforehand and I believe that everybody is constantly being
warned about everything in our lives.  Everything from
relationships to health issues.  I think it comes first in our
dreams and if we work with them in our dreams, then we
have a little insight.  And I think that all of our problems
are that we are so busy in our lives that we don't pay
enough attention to these little inner-guidances.  And then,
later how many of us have said, "you know I knew that, I
should have done that, I knew better".  So I concur with
you that there is a significant number of people, who are
now perceiving something in the Earth.  They're not
necessarily saying that it's going to be the West Coast of
the United States.  But there, and we're talking here
thousands rather than dozens or even a hundred people.

(Bell)   I must ask you because they would get angry if I
don't.  They will want to know then if this is going to
occur, where do you see as safe?

(GMS)  In my map, the Future Map of the United States,
the reason that I published the map was so that people
could see the events occurring and what areas would be
migration areas.  Your particular state will take a very large
number of refugees in the next two years.  A large number
here we'll be talking millions.  So those areas are good. 
But that happens to be a migration area.

(Bell)  That would be a temporary staging area, wouldn't
it?

(GMS)  Right. The trend will be that many people will flow
into the Phoenix area, the Tucson area. Many people will
flow into the Washington, Oregon eastern border areas. 
We're gonna see that kind of a major migration, at least
from the West Coast.  There are events that will occur, you
know,  a year later.  I wish I could say that, like in the
scientific community, that they believe a major event is
going to come and that we'll be, we'll be set for three
hundred years.  You know, we'll get a major release of
energy.  And that is not what I see.  What I see is this is just
the beginning, actually we have already begun it.  Lok at
the scale of 1 to 10, we have reached what I would call
maybe the 2 point.  

(Bell)  All right, we are going to hold that right there. 
We'll be right back with the conclusion of the Gordon-Michael Scallion
interview in a moment.  This is CBC 

(Commercial Break)
     
I'm Art Bell.  Good morning continuing now with the
Gordon-Michael Scallion interview. Here's Gordon.

(GMS)   Three is when these massive quakes occur on the
West Coast.  And so you can see if that's three,  how much
more will occur.

(Bell)   Well it reaches the finality of your future map, I
guess, right?

(GMS)  Yeah  right, the central portion of the United
States, so much of it depends upon the individual's life
style.  Most people will tell me, should I move and I say
that's a personal decision you must make.  You should only
make it as some part of you tells you that.  And I said and
where do you go, I said most people move for reasons that
they have no idea.  I mean the most common thing is that
people believe they're moving because of a job change. 
And the reality is that there is another whole dynamic that's
going on.  I think that what is important is that these little
disruptions often times get people back on their path.  You
know it's like when a relationship collapses, it's painful
before and during and even after.  After elapsed time, you
get a year behind you and you say, "Wow, I found I really
wasn't being myself, I was becoming somebody different,
now I can get back on my path." 

     There's the same thing with sometimes
displacement because geological changes may allow you to
move to a community where you can do the things you
want to do and be who you want to be.  This is a big
country and there is plenty of space in this country for
people.  The biggest thing that I share all the time is that I
simply just can't give up my house and I can't give up my
job and my friends.  And my response to that is that you
shouldn't because you've already made your decision.  

(Bell)   So be comfortable.  This whole thing, Gordon
speculate or maybe you don't have to speculate, I
frequently wonder what drives it.  Is it human behavior
driving changes in the Earth or changes in the Earth
beginning to drive human behavior?

(GMS)  That's kind of an analogy for me would be like was
there creation or was there evolution? And in my visions,
both occurred and not either/or, but both.  What occurs is
that there are natural rhythmic cycles of everything, in a
grain of sand, a human consciousness, a human being.  And
we resonate here on the Earth to the most powerful force in
our area which happens to be the sun.  Now the sun itself is
constantly talking to the Earth, back and forth.  And it sets
up conditions, seasons, environment, how we evolve,
evolutionary processes .  All these things occur.  Now as
part of this exchange of the sun and the Earth talking back
and forth, whatever is on the Earth gets coupled and
transmits back to the sun.  So when you have a few hundred
million people on the Earth, if there's a lot of negativity,
then that negativity feeds back to the Sun but it may not
represent a paramount shift or a change or a fact.  But its
there.

     They show up as sun spots.  However, right now

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we've got over 5 billion people on this planet and we've
just come through some of the most difficult century of
recorded history for destruction. We have unleashed
energies that we cannot control.  We try to control nature
through weaponry, weather and we're still doing it.  We're
still trying to penetrate the atmospheres to try to do some
other technical thing.  So these are only the things that we
know about.  We've detonated underground nuclear tests,
above-ground tests.  We're still doing that.  We put them in
volcanoes, of all things,  and release nuclear detonations. 
You know, and so all of these things disrupt the natural
harmonic balance.  The Earth and the Sun and every other
thing, if we left it alone, would go through some natural
rhythmic cycles.  We would have geological changes. 
These changes would occur probably  more gradually,
probably not as severely.  But we would have them.  With
consciousness involved, these things become amplified and
the changes become amplified.

     That's where I think we are right now.  I think we
have unleashed nature and it will now want to seek a
balance.  And it does that through eruptions.  Just like if we
eat some toxic material, our own bodies, we will vomit as
our stomach wants to get rid of the poisons.  And the Earth
is no different.  And once we begin to look at the Earth as a
sentient being, a living being, we start to see the
relationship more clearly.  We being to understand the
responsibilities we have to each other, to the planet, to
everything. 

(Bell)   I have recently been using this analogy on air, I
think it's a good one, the old movie, "The High and the
Mighty," where a piston engine aircraft is going across the
Pacific and they can only carry so much gas, Gordon, and
they get about halfway across or a little more, an a little
red light in the cockpit would come on. POINT OF NO
RETURN.  To me, mankind  s little red light came on a
little while ago.  And that doesn't necessarily mean we're
going to crash but we're going on to whatever is next and I
don't know what that is.  You seem to.

(GMS)  We're moving towards, you know throughout all of
these shifts and changes and destruction and everything,
there are other things that result.  Oftentimes we have to
completely change the system so that a new one can be
born.  We would like to say we could fix it.  We would like
to kinda fix the Internal Revenue Service.  You know,  I
don't think it's a fixable thing.  There's some things that
you can't just fix because there's too many people vested in
it.  There's too much power involved.  So sometimes it has
to just crash and then you start with a new system, learning
based on what was before.  And I think we're at that stage
that we are establishing, literally, a new race of people that
will emerge in the new millennium.  And I think that many
of the prophesies that come from many of the Hebrew or
Christian or Native Americans, it doesn't matter, the
prophesies are so similar.  All pointing to the fact that this
next millennium is this incredible, blessed time period. 
And it tells me that there is a continuation, that nothing is
the end.  It's just one system moving to another system. 
It's a solution.

(Bell)   So like the Phoenix, it will rise.

(GMS)  Yes, exactly.

(Bell)   All right, Gordon, this is pretty sobering stuff. 
There was a reference in your fax and it was to your health. 
This last series that I guess we're just now finding about of
visions that you've had, close-in and strong, how strong are
they?  How inevitable do you consider what you've just
talked about?

(GMS)  Nothing's 100%, we always have wild card
consciousness and it's not a one-shot deal.  Like I said, it
would have to be the community itself and people who
could come into the community, bringing a change.  And so
it s possible that some of these thing could be delayed. 
You can delay it, you might even lessen it somewhat.  And
I would always hope and pray that would be this case. I do
and I have not seen any changes whatsoever in these
visions. They haven't deviated at all which indicates to me
that IT WILL COME.  Whether it comes here at the end of
 95 or into  96, I do not know that.  My visions tell me that
the events are going to occur and I would  hope that the
many would get together and simply prove that to be
wrong.

(Bell)   All right.  When you have these visions, visions of
this strength and repeatedly you have them, what does it do
to your health?  You mentioned your health. Does it drain
you, is it psychologically draining?  What does it do?

(GMS)  It's very tiring.  A good analogy is that those
people who have followed Edgar Cayce, who has had
predictions about great Earth Changes occurring near the
end of this century.  I'm also talking about the West Coast
and other places.  So there's a lot of similarities between
many visionaries.  With Cayce, he was told at one point
that the way he was doing his particular reading, which was
a trance function, that had a limited, that he needed time in
between so that his life force can build.  And he was told
that if he didn't do that, that the alternative would be that he
would "pass over".  And he was at a difficult time during
World War II and the needs were so great that he just could
not stop.  And so someone sent that to me about three
months ago when they heard that I was having some
difficulties.  The difficulties I was having was that it just
totally exhausted and finding that the visions weren't just
ending.  The visions would continue for hours and I found
that if we would go out, for example, with my wife Cynthia
would say "I think I better drive" and it was only because
I'd be driving and the visions would continue.

     And that's what I find happens is that you over-stimulate the intuitive
part of it.  And so I  just became so
tired and it began a series of headaches.  And then I had an
xperience that simply said that "if you want to continue
doing this type of work, take the advice that was given to
Cayce".  And that's when someone, shortly thereafter, sent
me a fax.  They didn't know why they sent it to me, they
just sent it to me.  It was very appropriate and I said, "all
right I need to adjust my life because there's so much more
coming up".  As long as I feel I can provide some insights
then I'll continue doing this.  If I felt that at any time that it
wasn't providing a benefit to people, then I would
immediately stop it.

(Bell)  All right my friend we've done  it, times up.  Thank
you, you've  laid it out for us, Gordon. It's up to people
what they do with it.  Be healthy, be safe.

(GMS)  Good evening.  Thank You.

(Bell)   All right, everybody, there it was.  That was Gordon
Michael Scallion.  Don't move.  In a moment we'll
punctuate it with Stan Deyo from Australia.  Stay right
there.

(Commercial Break)

STAN DEYO INTERVIEW

(Bell)  All right now, listen very carefully, here comes Stan
Deyo from Australia.  We're not going to get it in by the
top of the hour but you'll recall, I hope you'll recall, what
Gordon-Michael Scallion just said about the Indian Ocean.
Listen very carefully.  From Australia, here's Stan Deyo,
actually Perth, Australia.  Let Stan say it for himself.  I've
got Stan from Perth, Australia on the line. First I want to
read, and I know he's listening, the Scallion fax that I've
got.  Here it is, Stan.

       "Dear Art, As you are aware, Japan's Kuril Islands
was hit with a magnitude 8.0 earthquake this week.  This is
the first of four events I have predicted for the time frame
beginning December of  95 (See the Earth Changes Report
in March of   95).  It signals the beginning of my third four-quake scenario
for 1995.  Events will now progress quickly. 
On Friday, December 8, 1995, I will be releasing a press
and media update to this prophecy including potential
events I see occurring in the U.S. as part of this scenario.  I 
promise to keep you informed on any upates and I will
send you the latest release on Friday the 8th at 9AM
Eastern.  I regret my health is such that I cannot appear on
your program due to its late air time.  

     Five years of visions has taken its toll.  I can, if you
wish, discuss this update for up to an hour with you, on the
phone at 10AM or 2PM Eastern time on the 8th, which, if
appropriate for you and your listeners, could be rebroadcast
on your Friday or Saturday evening, in other words Friday
night- Saturday morning.  I do not wish to alarm anyone
but I sense we are very close to major geological events
occurring in the U.S. and elsewhere.  Since both of my
earlier four-quake scenarios have occurred in sequence and
on time, I can only assume that the potential now exists that
the complete four-quake scenario, which has just begun,
may now occur.  

     Even if  the percentage of such an event occurring is
low, I would still feel that everyone in high risk areas
should be prepared, no different than a hurricane warning. 
I pray the visions I am seeing are wrong.  Should it turn out
to be so, those who prepared will be better prepared for
when it does occur.  The scientific community and myself
are no longer so far apart in our predictions The only
difference between us is the time frame and extent of
damage.  Sincerely, Gordon-Michael."

Well, that's the prophecy end of it.  The guy who watches
the thermal areas of the Earth is on the line with me from
Perth, Australia.  Yo, Stan, it's Art-A-choke here.  Are you
there?

(Deyo)   How you going?

(Bell) I'm doing fairly well.  Hold on one second, Stan, I'm
gonna put you somewhere else.  Let me put you over here. 
OK, do you have us?

(Deyo)   Yes.

(Bell)  OK, good.

(Deyo)  You're coming in clear now.

(Bell)  Good, did you hear the fax?

(Deyo) Yeah, wow, you know I sent you a fax about a week
ago, just before the Kurils went, to say that things in
February areas look pretty bad.  And since that time about
40% of them have converted to action. Like Gordon-Michael I try to say to
folks,  Lok,  if you're in one of the
areas I say look out, you got about a one-in- three or one in
four or better chance that it will actually hit in the next four
days".  Be prepared, that's the best that I can do. But what
I've come across here in the last few days since I made that
announcement, is some information from a guy, I'll have to
fax it to you later, about what people should do before an
earthquake or volcano occurs in their area, what people
should do during one in various buildings or locations they
might be in and what people should do after the disaster, if
they survive it. I think this is probably of much more value
than the panic value of "gee we're going to get an
earthquake." 

(Bell)  Nevertheless, Stan, I would like to ask though, I
know you watch the thermal imagery from satellites.  So
what is it that you see, tell everybody?

(Deyo)  You mean what do I, how does it work, what am I
seeing?

(Bell)  Well I guess give us a brief explanation of what you

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think you're seeing and what it means.

(Deyo) All right. About 90 days ago, the U.S. Navy
declassified some image files that they get off of the
satellite twice a day. And these are called Otis Files which
allow us to see the sea surface temperature, absolute
temperature,  across the entire planet.  Any water body it
will read the temperature very accurately.  Now I take those
color images of the entire planet twice a day, and I use a
program called Photo-Shop and subtract one image from
the first part of the day from the second one.  And I also
subtract other days prior to that to get the change in
temperature.  I don't want the absolute temperature, I want
the change in temperature you see, if it's warming up or if
it's cooling down in various areas of the ocean.  In the
beginning this was just an idle curiosity, but very quickly I
realized that these temperature changes, when they went up
and down next to each other, in tight little patterns,
earthquakes and volcanoes occurred within a few days in
those areas. 

     Now what is causing it--is it magma moving
beneath the crust?   I mean this is quite unusual to have
something like this happen.  Is it something to do in the
ionosphere or is it something to do simply pressure in the
crust generating a temperature differential just from the
pure pressure which heats up the water a degree or so or
half degree?  Now, I think the latter is probably the case
due to magma movement, that just when the pressure starts
to build, the heat starts to build with it, like when you
squeeze something.

     Now, something else in the last week has been
happening on another image I get from the Navy,  that is
unusual.  Well to me it is anyway,  I have not seen it before. 
On your map, if you look at 90 degrees East latitude, and
twelve degrees South laitude, that's kind of  in the middle
of the Indian Ocean, in the middle of nowhere, a thing
about 50 miles in diameter, a circular thing, kinda like a
Yin Yang, symbol developed around the first or second of
December.  And it's just a perfectly round, chase it's tail
type Yin Yang symbol, developed there, showing that the
wave height in the middle of the Indian Ocean, in that tight
little circle, had increased.

     Now this is OK, I mean a hurricane will generate a
symbol like that, perhaps a little smaller, but it will
generate a symbol of raised wave height.  But this thing sat
in one spot for three days and didn't move.  It wasn't a
hurricane, it didn't give me any hurricane reports or
anything, it was just an up-welling of wave height.  Now
until I was talking to Tony, it dawned on me.  A long time
ago, in  79 or so, I remember reading about the "smokers",
you know the deep sea vents that have super-heated water
gushing up through them.  These things have been reported
even as far back as the tale of the flood in Genesis,  as
fountains of the deep, you know where water comes up
underneath the floor of the ocean.

(Bell)  It's really underwater volcanic action, right?

(Deyo)  Well, it's not really volcanic, it's 400 degrees
Fahrenheit degrees water that squirts out like a hypodermic
through holes.  In the north eastern  Pacific Ocean, off the
Oregon, Washington coast, there have been reports of up to
1,100 little vents like this being cataloged since  79 .  They
break up water from way deep down in the Earth's surface,
maybe 15 miles or so, down where the Moho discontinuity
is and just above that.

(Bell)  All right, we're going to hold it right there, the real
shocker, you gotta remember, this interview was done prior
to the Scallion interview you just heard.  That's yet to
come.  I haven't laid it on Stan with regard to the Indian
Ocean, we'll be right back.

(Commercial Break)

(Bell)   Now, again from Perth, Australia, continuing with
Stan Deyo.  Listen very closely as we talk about the Indian
Ocean, bar in mind this interview was done before the one
with Gordon-Michael Scallion.

(Deyo)   They break up water from way deep down in the
Earth's surface, maybe 15 miles or so, down where the
Moho discontinuity is and just above that.  There seems to
be a shell of water the Russians reckon, which has super-heated water and
metals dissolved in it and it gushes up
through holes in the bottom of the ocean floor.  Now this
wouldn't mean much, except that about a week ago, a
report came into Nexus Magazine.  And we are going to
print this story in the next issue. Here in Australia, two
years ago, a competent scientific group discovered what
they think is proof that the Earth is contracting rapidly by
geological standards.  This report was filed with the Prime
Minister of this country and with various politicians of this
country and their responses were all recorded.  And to a
man, they all said, "No, not interested, don't want to report
it, don't want to back it."

     Now, two years later, we're seeing evidence of
crustal activity that would indicate something like this is in
the "go".  If the Earth is contracting, then possibly these
deep sea vents are becoming more active and what I'm
seeing here is an up-welling of a super-vent.  I don't know
how to tell you except that I think that's a good guess.

(Bell)  Stan, you mentioned the Indian Ocean area.  That
would be the next location, if I'm following Scallion's
predictions accurately, that would be the next location for a
likely 8.0 quake.

(Deyo)   You're joking.

(Bell)  No, it would be the Indian Ocean, followed by South
America or Mexico and then North America.

(Deyo)   Just a second, I'm pulling up today's map.

(Bell)  OK, because that is where we would look for the
next action.  It would be somewhere in the Indian Ocean,
probably. 

(Deyo)   A heat zone is developing underneath that welling
I was telling you about.  There's  a temperature inversion, a
drop just North of there surrounding that and a heat
inversion going up the other way, starting right wherethat
bubble was, slightly to the left of it.  That means that there
could be quake activity building there.  It's not too serious
yet, it's not a big one.

     South America, Holy Cow!  Boy, look down the
east southeast coast, that's Argentina on the right side, the
east side of it, is lighting up.  But I don't see any dark areas
so it may not convert yet. California, Baja California, has a
white spot indicating a temperature rise off the tip of it and
to the West about 600 miles.  A type  zone North of that, up
to San Francisco is a cooling, indicating that there's 
pressure between the two, probably Los Angeles is where
the conversion could take place.  Also another one off
Oregon, a hot spot building, cooling down.  I'm sorry that's
off Washington.  Down at Oregon, it's a hot spot, right on
land and then slightly South and West of that is a cool spot
indicating there might be some minor quakes up there
shortly.

(Bell)  OK, Stan, I know I don't have you for a long time.  I
would like to ask you, "How can people see what you're
seeing?"

(Deyo)   Well, on my web page is a good place to start.  I
have there the addresses on there of the U.S. Naval Data
Bases that I use. You can just click on your web page and it
takes you there.

(Bell)  OK, there's now a link between my web page, I
understand, and yours, correct?

(Deyo)   That's correct, they can go to your web page for
people that have appeared on your show who have web
pages, click my name, that takes them to my web page.  On
my front page there's a thing that says,  down about three-quarters of the
way down, it says,"Current Quakes,
Thermal Changes and Wave Height Changes U.S. Naval
Center."  And you just click on those and it takes you
straight in.  And then you have to pull those images down. 
And if you kinda don't know how to process them, then
you can write to me on E-mail, cause my address is on the
page and I'll tell you how to do it.

(Bell)  All right, Stan, I gave everybody my web page
address.  I'll do it again, I really, really appreciate yourtaking a few minutes
out.

(Deyo) Well thanks for sharing with that telegram, I didn't
know that it happened. 

(Bell)  Yeah, how do you react to that after what you've
just seen, by the way?

(Deyo)   Well, I know something unusual is happening.  As
I say, it's so new a science or a semi-science that we're
doing here, that I don't know what I'm seeing.  But
something unusual is happening and most of it for the
moment seems to be Indian Ocean toward Australia. 
Australia has a hot spot developing under it so it's working. 
All I can tell you is that things over here are brewing.

(Bell)  All right, Stan, thank you my friend, we'll check
back with you and we'll stay in close touch.

(Deyo)   Well, I'm exposed to the Indian Ocean side so I
hope it's not a big wave.  Thanks.

(Bell) Have a good one, Stan.

(Deyo)   Thanks, Art.  Bye, bye.

(Bell)   All right, there you go.  That was the interview with
Stan Deyo.  It follows the one with Gordon-Michael
Scallion.  And you can all take and absorb that and think
about and in a moment, comment on it.  That was a fairly
extensive amount of information for everybody to absorb
and I would be very interested in your reaction to it.  So in
a moment we will open the lines and we will do, for the
remainder of the morning, open-line talk radio.  This is
Coast To Coast AM.  My Name is Art Bell.  We'll be right
back.

(Commercial break)

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