Area : I_UFO

Date : Sep 27 '95, 23:36                                                       
From : Paul West                                             2:254/284.4
To   : Glenda Stocks                       
Subj : Darkness                                                              
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Hi Glenda,

On 25-Sep-95 you spat everywhere after getting turned on by 
Darkness, so I put my vileda supermop into action thus:

 GS> I never could follow your logic of absolute light = absolute dark. I

That is because it shows that logic is something created by `finite' mind
wthin a finite existence, and as such defies logic.

The reasoning, as far as I can take it, is this:

Anything which looks at God, seperate from God, finite, will see that
God=Everything.

However, God, who is infinite, looks at us pseudo-finite things and sees
NOTHING. The reason being that he is totally infinite, and within the
infinite there are no boundaries. When you can experience the whole of
everything instantly there are no starts and stops, no boundaries, and thus
absolutely no form - nothingness. That is what the ONE mind perceives, but
the finite mind perceives light and all that stuff.

Now, as far as light is concerned, finite light is the illusionary light of
`Lucifer', simply because it is finite.

What is absolute light?

To be ABSOLUTELY light, there has to be light absolutely everywhere, bar
nothing, bar nowhere, it has to fill every part of reality. That is
absolute light. Now, what would happen in this circumstance? There would be
no shadows whatsoever. Now, when I explained about how God perceives
nothing and everything I had to take one path to determine the
everything, and another path to determine the nothing, but because logic
doesn't work in the infinite the two don't meet, proving logic wrong. Again
here I have to do that.

Take one logic path and you get to absolute light meaning that there is
light absolutely everything. This absolute light requires there to be no
shadows.

Follow the other path and to have no shadows there must be no boundary to
any shadow. For that to happen there has to be absolute darkness. Therefore
you have absolute light arising within the same situation as absolute dark.
It depends wether you are finite or infinite as to which you experience.
Finite can experience light, infinite can experience dark. In fact, there
is no `can' about it, it just happens. Thus, while you are finite you can
only experience non-absolute light, which is the `light' we know, with a
finite speed (which varies unoubtably), finite luminosity, etc. Absolute
light = Absolute dark and you choose WHICH you perceive depending on your
position as finite or infinite.

So by creating this pseudo-finite reality of non-absolute light, which you
might want to call `Lucifer', it is allowing God to experience himself.
However, a part of the finite existence is freedom from the whole, so we
have free-will and all that. In essence, we experience reality FOR god
because God as an infinite thing can experience nothing but absolute dark.
So we share our experiences with god, by loving. It is in a similar way
that awareness works. You need at least two divisions in order to
experience, you need something to give the love and something to feel it,
so god needed to create a pseudo-finite existence within his infinite
makeup in order to experience his own love, and in doing that it was
inevitably that any finite self within that creation could not already know
everything, for there would be no point then, because when you know
everything you experience only the whole, which is absolute dark.

This is all logic btw. So each experiencing self start out finite knowing
nothing and has to learn everything, so that God experiences the many
different journeys, and there really is no time so there is just the constant
creation of new souls to start from scratch when the universe returns back
to pure energy, as well as the old unfinished souls. It is, in essence, an
attempt to experience EVERY possible reality of Gods self. That we have a
free-will is actually an illusion, for there is ONLY god. Everything else,
us included, are figments of that dream, pawns. God is the player, we are
the pieces, and we are trying to be players. Yet we are not FULL players,
because we are evolving to fullness, and when we become full players we are
equal to god, and when you are equal there is no definition between, which
is why you merge eventually, or come back to help others.

 GS> think that the dark is undefined nothingness.  The dark is everything
 GS> that is not.

Within logic, everything has an exact opposite which doesnt manifest. Me
sitting here now means that I cannot be sitting anywhere else. Those other
places, which are infinite, are all the other options. How can my finite
position here on this stool be equal to the infinite alternatives which I
could be in? They are not ultimately equal, yet another example of how
logic is a bidge of a bodge from within a finite viewpoint. So all those
other possibilities are infinite, and that is everything that is not, yes.

Let yourself not be confused between absolute light (absolute dark) and the
dimness of finite light.

 GS> The dark can only be defined, arbitrarily as that space
 GS> into which the Light expands when it moves, but it is the Light itself
 GS> that creates the space.

3d-space is an illusion. Within the infinite all is everything in no
dimensions.

 GS> The dark is everywhere the Light is not, but

The dark is everywhere, including where the light is. God experiences ALL,
which includes the finite pretense at light, and that too is absolute
darkness.

 GS> since the dark cannot exist in the presence of Light, then the dark is
 GS> not real, only the Light is real.

No, what did I say earlier? Let yourself not be confused between absolute
light (absolute dark) and the dimness of finite light. The darkness of
night is NOT absolute darkness, it is finite darkness. You cannot
experience absolute darkness while you are finite, only God can.

 GS> Seems to me the way that Light
 GS> expands, is through evolution.

Sort of, I suppose so, but consider this... The universe appears to be
expanding FROM THE INSIDE. You on the finite inside, within the universe
sphere, see that your surroundings expand. Now, what does the universe look
like from the OUTSIDE? Looking IN to the universe, it is not expanding or
contracting. It is simply one /almost/ finite point. It is a pseudo-finite
thing, which exists within nothingness. Looking in, you see nothing,
looking out you see it all. THAT is the purpose of creation.

[Sleep]
 PW>> Nobody has ANY awareness whatsoever of being within the blackness,
 PW>> because within the blackness there is nothing to perceive. That IS
 PW>> god, I know, but how?

 GS> Seems to be a form of Death, or non-existence, or a state of no
 GS> consciousness.  At any rate, you rest there, and come back rejuvenated
 GS> every Day.

Sure, but what is actually happening? Is it the experience of absolute
darkness, or finite darkness? How can you tell?

I think this is perhaps where the logic lies in being able to come back. If
it were absolute darkness you would have to be God, infinite. You're not,
so you must be finite viewing a finite darkness. The awareness seems to
dissipate to such a level that you experience something which looks
identical to the absolute dark, yet it is finite, because you can come
back. I wonder if this proves that you can experience God's absolute
darkness AND come back as a finite, should you choose? Or do we simply come
back because our awareness is attatched to the waking finite body?
I'm finding more and more reason to belive that you can hang out with god
in his bliss, AND you can return to finite if you want to. Still, is there
ever really a `thought' which sais "right, time to wake up, gotta go back"?
Maybe subconsciously there is. It is certainly true that that place of
total blackness is completely void of change, completely void of form, and
completely void of emotion. THAT is what God feels from the infinite
position, and that is why no memory can be committed, because memory and
all perceptions are finite and relative. Within the absolute dark you can
perceive nothing. Why do we seem to make pilgrimages to this state of God
every time we sleep?

Could the psudo-finite be so blurry that we frequently go to this place of
self-death every `night'? It is simply a reminder of the goal? It is a
teaser as to what you're aiming for and what it is like there? Then again,
it is a finite darkness or an absolute one? In thinking that we go there
and survive as a finite being, you have to remember that the finite is not
REALLY finite anyway. Perhaps we just go there at night because few lessons
can be learnt at night, because it keeps us sane?

Comprehend what happens in that place of darkness Glenda, that is what we
are all heading for!

-pAuL-

MrWest@15.Shining.Conqueror.Co.Uk
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