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Anthony Sutton On 'Skull 
& Bones,' US Banks Financing 
Hitler, & 'Trance-Formation'
3-19-00

 
  
Antony Sutton, is the author of 26 books, many of which can be purchased 
on-line at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180 
has copies of America's Secret Establishment and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for 
sale. 
  
The following interview with Mr. Sutton is dated July 6, 1999 
  
Antony C. Sutton, 74, has been persecuted but never prosecuted for his 
research and subsequent publishing of his findings. His mainstream career was 
shattered by his devotion towards uncovering the truth. In 1968, his Western 
Technology and Soviet Economic Development was published by The Hoover 
Institute at Stanford University. Sutton showed how the Soviet state's 
technological and manufacturing base, which was then engaged in supplying the 
North Vietnamese the armaments and supplies to kill and wound American 
soldiers, was built by US firms and mostly paid for by the US taxpayers. From 
their largest steel and iron plant, to automobile manufacturing equipment, to 
precision ball-bearings and computers, basically the majority of the Soviet's 
large industrial enterprises had been built with the United States help or 
technical assistance. 
  
Professor Richard Pipes, of Harvard, said in his book, Survival Is Not 
Enough: Soviet Realities and America's Future (Simon & Schuster;1984): "In 
his three-volume detailed account of Soviet Purchases of Western Equipment 
and Technology . . . [Antony] Sutton comes to conclusions that are 
uncomfortable for many businessmen and economists. For this reason his work 
tends to be either dismissed out of hand as 'extreme' or, more often, simply 
ignored." 
  
The report was too much and Sutton's career as a well-paid member of the 
academic establishment was under attack and he was told that he "would not 
survive". 
  
His work led him to more questions than answers. "Why had the US built-up 
it's enemy? Why did the US build-up the Soviet Union, while we also 
transferred technology to Hitler's Germany? Why does Washington want to 
conceal these facts?" 
  
Sutton, following his leads, proceeded to research and write his three 
outstanding books on Wall Street: and FDR; and the Rise of Hitler; and The 
Bolshevik Revolution. Then, someone sent Antony a membership list of Skull 
and Bones and--"a picture jumped out". And what a picture! A 
multigenerational foreign-based secret society with fingers in all kinds of 
pies and roots going back to 'Illuminati' influences in 1830's Germany. 
  
For the full story, check-out Sutton's book America's Secret Establishment, 
in print for 14 years and available from Liberty House Press, 1-800-343-6180. 
  
Skull And Bones 
  
Here, in a recent e-mail interview, are Antony Sutton's own reflections and 
answers to questions from myself and other researchers. 
  
Pre-interview note from Antony Sutton: Remember all my papers on this are in 
deep storage 1000 miles away and cannot be accessed and I've not even thought 
about S&B for 15 years. I had no idea that any interest had been aroused out 
there. I know the book is a steady seller from the royalty reports; but that 
is all. For the last 10 years I have been in complete seclusion working on 
future technology...I'm more engineer than historian. The only visitors I've 
had or meetings have been with three-letter agency people, who arrive on the 
doorstep unannounced and complain I am hard to find. Big Brother has the 
ability apparently to find anyone. Nothing mysterious about this, I just 
dislike publicity and social interaction. . . . You will see from the Dutch 
TV episode that my work still upsets the "powers that be" so these are merely 
reasonable precautions. 
  
KM - Can you tell the story of how you learned of Skull & Bones? And how you 
felt? 
  
AS - I knew nothing of S&B until I received a letter in the early 80's asking 
if I would like to look at a genuine membership list. For no real reason I 
said yes. It was agreed to send the package by Federal Express and I could 
keep it for 24 hours, it had to be returned to the safe. It was a "black bag" 
job by a family member disgusted with their activities. For the benefit of 
any S&B members who may read and doubt the statement; the membership list is 
in two volumes, black leather bound. Living members and deceased members in 
separate volumes. Very handsome books. I spent all night in Kinko's, Santa 
Cruz , copied the entire volumes and returned within the 24 hour period. I 
have never released any copies or identified the source. I figured each copy 
could be coded and enable S&B to trace the leak. How did I feel? I felt then 
(as I do now} that these "prominent" men are really immature juveniles at 
heart. The horrible reality is that these little boys have been dominant in 
their influence in world affairs. No wonder we have wars and violence. Skull 
and Bones is the symbol of terrorist violence, pirates, the SS Deaths Head 
Division in WW Two, labels on poison bottles and so on. I kept the stack of 
xerox sheets for quite a while before I looked at them--when I did look--a 
picture jumped out, THIS was a significant part of the so called 
establishment. No wonder the world has problems! 
  
KM - What is the percentage of active members? 
  
AS - I haven't checked for 15 years...it used to be about one quarter. With 
the rise of the Bush dynasty it will increase somewhat, as they climb on the 
bankwagon. The Demos had their turn with Harriman in the 40's and 50's. 
  
KM - How many active members are there? 
  
AS - Usually about 600 alive at any one time . . . recently more active. 
  
KM- What is your take on the grandfather clock that each member allegedly 
receives? 
  
AS - They do get a clock I've had that confirmed and you will see it in the 
photos in ASE (AMERICA'S SECRET ESTABLISHMENT). Might be symbolic, perhaps to 
state their organization goes on timelessly. 
  
KM - Has Skull and Bones lost its clout? 
  
AS - Well look at the recent fundraiser for George Bush...Republicans are 
stuffing money into his pockets...I suggest members recently got behind one 
of their own and decided to push George all out for president--and Democrats 
can't do a thing because Democrat Bones are not going to allow the Party to 
use the ultimate weapon--George's membership in a foreign secret society. 
  
KM - What do you know of George ' W.' Bush? 
  
AS - He is a third generation Bonesman. My personal impression is that he 
doesn't have the drive of his father or the skills of his 
grandfather....--but I could be very wrong. He can beat anyone hands 
down--EXCEPT VENTURA. If Bush handlers allow a face to face debate between 
Bush and Ventura, Ventura will win. Remember Ventura has admitted to his 
so-called "sins". Bush has a closet full waiting to emerge. People are 
getting bored with cover ups and spin. 2000 may see the end of the Bones 
influence or--reality that these Bones people are powerful. 
  
KM - Is the 'name' of the German group known? 
  
AS - Almost certainly Illuminati. 
  
KM - Some people say that there are other 'cells'; what do you think? 
  
AS - There are many other secret societies. I've only looked at S&B. 
Unfortunately no historian will keep his job if he tries to explore 
conspiracy...this is taboo for the American Historical Association. Sooner or 
later outsiders will take a look. I've long thought that S&B fits the legal 
definition of a conspiracy and needs to be officially investigated. Yes there 
should be other cells. No secret society worth anything is going to keep its 
inner actions written down on paper. If the gigantic electronic monitoring 
apparatus is for national security purposes; then it should be monitoring 
these people 24 hours a day. 
  
KM - What are your thoughts on Wolf's Head? Scroll & Key? And the other 
Senior societies at Yale? 
  
AS - Wolfs Head, Scroll and Key seem to be pale imitations of S&B, but they 
have the same objective of deliberately building discrimination into a 
society. I listened to Jesse Ventura last night and he made the point that 
the Founding Fathers intended for CITIZENS to represent the people. I agree, 
a trucker, a farmer, a teacher--represents the people not a bunch of 
professional pols or a secret society like S&B. All these societies place 
their own members ahead of the pack and give preference to their own 
members--this is discrimination par excellence. 
  
KM - Have you read Cathy O'Brian's book Trance-Formation Of America? What do 
think of it? 
  
AS - The book does not contain one piece of hard physical evidence.. I think 
Cathy O'Brien BELIEVES SHE IS TELLING THE TRUTH . . . but remember that Mark 
Phillips is a skilled neuro-linguistic-programmer. Another point that really 
concerns me is this...where did this story originate? It originated in 
Communist Chinese Intelligence and Mark Phillips had a contractual 
relationship with the ChiComs. This could be an attempt to destabilize the 
US. No doubt these Washington pols are fully capable of these weird 
practices, just look at Bohemian Grove but that doesn't mean that the book is 
an accurate portrayal. If the book is credible I would think the police would 
have raided Bohemian Grove long ago. 
  
My best guess is that the Chinese picked up whispers of Washington scandals 
and blew them out of proportion for their own purposes. This is a GUESS...I 
don't know. One thing that puzzled me, with all these sexual shenanigans how 
do Washington politicians find time to do anything else? According to the 
book this is a full time occupation for Senator Byrd and others. 
  
KM - What did your study of elites, economics, secrecy and technology do for 
your career? 
  
AS-Depends what you mean by "career"? By conventional standards I am an 
abject failure. I've been thrown out of two major Universities (UCLA and 
Stanford), denied tenure at Cal State Los Angeles. Every time I write 
something, it appears to offend someone in the Establishment and they throw 
me to the wolves. On the other hand I've written 26 books, published a couple 
of newsletters and so on...even more important I've never compromised on the 
truth And I don't quit. In material terms...hopeless failure. In terms of 
discovery...I think I've been successful. Judge a man by his enemies. William 
Buckley called me a "jerk". Glenn Campbell, former Director of the Hoover 
Institution, Stanford called me "a problem". 
  
KM - Do you believe that there has been suppression of technology? Has it 
been major or minor? 
  
AS - Yes there has been suppression but its going to be impossible to 
suppress the new emerging paradigm. 
  
KM - The Federal Reserve, the House of Morgan, House of Rothschild and Skull 
and Bones are they related? 
  
AS - Best source for this is a book by me THE FEDERAL RESERVE CONSPIRACY, 
1995 CPA, PO Box 596, Boring OR 97007. 
  
KM- On Skull and Bone's influencing John Dewey and Horace Mann; are there 
good source materials to follow that story? 
  
AS - Depends what you want to find. You could explore the 10(?) volume works 
of Dewey... outrageous Hegelianism, the state is supreme, the individual 
merely a pawn to be trained. This is the basis of our 'educational 
system"...or you could go and explore the members of S&B who brought the 
system to the US. This trained "sausage mind" outlook has thoroughly 
permeated our universities--that's why we have the peer review system...we 
are all supposed to think alike and find the same answers. This political 
correctness garbage is another step to total thought control. 
  
AH - Did any of Hitler's economic policies threaten the interests of the 
international bankers, and if so did that play a role in his downfall? 
  
AS - Hitler's economic policies were OK'd by the bankers right through the 
war...ITT, Chase, Texaco and others were operating in Nazi-held France as 
late as 1945. In fact Chase in Paris was trying to get Nazi accounts as late 
as 1944. When we got to Germany in May 1945, I remember seeing a (bombed-out) 
Woolworth store in Hamburg and thinking, "What's Woolworth doing in Nazi 
Germany?" While we were bombed and shelled it was "business as usual" for Big 
Business. Try the Alien Custodian Papers. See my BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY for 
more information. Union Banking is very important. I made a documentary for 
Dutch National TV some years ago. It got all the way through the production 
process to the Dutch TV Guide...at the last minute it was pulled and another 
film substituted. This documentary has proof of Bush financing Hitler-- 
documents. Maybe my Dutch friends will still get it viewed, but the apparatus 
reaches into Holland. 
  
KM - What is the story that was going to be told on Dutch TV? And what is the 
story of it's censorship? 
  
AS - Couple of years back, a Dutch TV production company from 
Amsterdam--under contract to Dutch National TV--came to US to make 
documentary on S&B. They went to the Bones Temple and other places and 
interviewed people on East Coast. On West Coast, they interviewed myself and 
one other person. I saw extracts from the original and it is a good 
professional job. They had documents linking Bush family and other S&B 
members to financing Hitler through Union Banking of New York and its Dutch 
correspondent bank. More than I have in WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER. 
The first version was later upgraded into a two part documentary and 
scheduled for showing this last March. It was pulled at last minute and has 
never been shown. 
  
AH - Who has been financing Milosevic, and what role has the international 
banking community played in the Balkans? 
  
AS - I haven't looked at this one. Of course the notorious Black Hand society 
is located in the Balkans. See WW One. 
  
DG - What is the importance of your work on Skull and Bones? 
  
AS - The potential is extraordinary. IF we find that secret societies are 
indeed significant the entire history of the last two centuries will have to 
be re-written. At this point in 1999, the potential has not been explored by 
others and I've moved back to my original interest--technology. Apparently 
people see some merit in the work. It is never advertised. It is an 
underground word of mouth distribution but has sold steadily from 1986 to 
date. Every month I get a royalty check, so I know it is selling. But my 
original enthusiastic statement has not been fulfilled. 
  
KM - What do you see for the future? 
  
AS - Chaos, confusion and ultimately a battle between the individual and the 
State. The individual is the stronger; and will win. The state is a fiction 
sanctified by Hegel and his followers to CONTROL the individual. Sooner or 
later people will wake up. First we have to dump the trap of right and left, 
this is a Hegelian trap to divide and control. The battle is not between 
right and left; it is between us and them. The message is getting through. 
ASE has sold for 15 years, small but steady. No advertising. Its an 
underground work. But the breadth of interest is amazing. From Black Africa, 
to Russia (12,000 copies), right, left...it cuts across all ethnic, 
political, social lines...The spirit of God is within us as individuals. 
Skull & Bones represents death. It has no life spirit and pretends that the 
State "is the march of God on earth". The thinking of immature juveniles, 
deadly and destructive and has almost totally infected Washington. What to 
do? Find yourself and then go to work.....tell your friends and put out the 
message. The answer is within you. _____ Antony Sutton, is the author of 26 
books, many of which can be purchased on-line at Amazon or Barnes & Noble. 
Liberty House Press at 1-800-343-6180 has copies of America's Secret 
Establishment and Best Enemy Money Can Buy for sale. New York Editors . . . 
In talking to a magazine in New York that is working on a feature story on 
George ' W ' Bush and was thinking of doing a piece on S&B. I asked how about 
a sidebar on Antony Sutton? After getting responses peppered with phrases 
such as; "Someone is claiming he's a John Bircher" and; Here is what one 
editor (who shall remain nameless) had to say about Sutton: 
  
"Liberty House was/is a right wing publishing company located in Billings, 
Montana. Anthony Sutton was a research fellow at Stanford's Hoover 
Institution. Among many other claims, Sutton's book accuses Skull and Bones 
of funding and encouraging "the Maxist/Leftist '60s revolution"....and 
diverting attention by drawing students into disarmament and/or environmental 
groups and issues. Although there seems to be some real info in his book, it 
reads like a classic text of right-wing propaganda, filled with hyperbole and 
unsourced allegations" Antony Sutton's response: 
  
What's wrong with these editors? I was thrown out of the Hoover Institution 
by the CIA types....I am definitely persona non-grata. Director Glenn 
Campbell actually threatened me: "you will not survive." 
  
Some right winger!! I've never been a member of the Birch Society or any 
society come to that. I'd like to have that Editor say that to my face. 
They're sick! Get his comments on the above...and have him come up with some 
proof. What's the legal definition of slander...it has to be untrue and 
malicious. Do they have any money? When it comes right down to it the NY 
people didn't even read my book...else they would know that I see the 
right-left approach as a Hegelian trap...as for lack of evidence Ill leave 
that to the readers. On second thought they probably never heard of Hegel. 
When Lenin referred to 'useful idiots" he must have had these people in mind. 
 

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