From: ur-valhalla!cts.com!density4 (That 4th Density Dude)
Subject: ET Antiquities: Ancient Grand Canyon Artifacts
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Date: Mon, 23 Oct 1995 21:07:44 GMT

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On 23 Oct 1995 07:44:51 GMT, amiga@primenet.com (Jack andrews) wrote:

                     EXPLORATIONS IN GRAND CANYON
        Mysteries of Immense Rich Cavern being brought to light
     Remarkable finds indicate ancient people migrated from Orient

I am posting a response to this because I have had a personal
experience with this subject. I have hiked the Grand Canyon 21 times.
I first hiked it in about 1971. In about 1975 or so I came upon this
story about the underground "lost city" in the Grand Canyon. The story
seemed so fantastic and attracted my curiousity enough that I decided
to do some research into the story. I was making a trip up to the
Canyon for another hike, when I decided to go to Northern Arizona
Museum (I think that is the name, it's been awhile) Anyway, the museum
is located just outside of Flagstaff, on the road to the South Rim of
the G.C. I went into the museum, went to the library desk and talked
about the story to the person at the desk and asked her if they had
any info on the subject. She seemed to get real nervous and said, "We
don't have much info on that story, not enough to be of interest to
you" I pressed her for the material and she said, "Well, the story was
really a hoax, you know and it was really all proven to be untrue."
She was very nervous when talking about the subject. I said, "well,
I'd like to see the material anyway" She replied, "I can't let you see
that" I said, "Why not?" She replied, very nervously and tense and
somewhat with forcefullness, "I simply cannot let you see that
material" So I left with a feeling of anger.

Years later, I was talking about the sight with a friend and we pulled
out a topo map of the Grand Canyon. Both of us had hiked the canyon
and were relatively familiar with it's geology and some of it's "named
places" We read the Kincaid description of the location. We marked off
42 miles on a piece of sewing thread, using the scale of miles for
reference. We took push pins and pinned the thread along the river, 42
miles up the river from "Crysal Canyon" Kincaid had said "El Tovar
Crystal Canyon", we only found Crystal Canyon. The thread ended at a
canyon named "Kwagunt Hollow." Kincaid had talked about stains in the
sediment on the East side of the river. Kwagunt Hollow, was the only
named feature, we found at 42 miles. It was on the west side of the
river. I decided to take out a copy of Harvey Butchart's hiker's guide
to the Grand Canyon, and look up Kwagunt hollow. I can still feel the
goosebumps I felt as I read the words aloud from Harvey's description
of Kwagunt Hollow. "A ranger party in 1925 reported a lost city of 25
or more rooms in this canyon, but the ranger who made the discovery,
later denied their existance."

All this could be varified by any skeptic, with a Grand Canyon topo
map and Harvey's book (around 1975 edition) Also, the area of the
alleged "city" is limestone sediments, at a point where the go all the
way down to the river. The wall there is quite steep and nearly
vertical, which coincides with Kincaids description of "sediments" and
"great difficulty" of getting up to the location. The area is near the
Hopi "Sipapau" (sp?) the lengendary place of emergence of the
ancestors, from the "underworld." The spring is real and on topo maps.
The Hopi used to pilgramige to the site.

The two things I always felt strange about the story were, 1. The
treatment I received at the museum, and the ranger in the story,
denying his previous claim.

I have often wondered if the place was indeed real and perhaps the
reality behind the Hopi underworld legend and perhaps it is a very
sacred site to the Hopi and therefore very well protected. This might
help to explain my treatment at the museum and the ranger's denial. It
might also explain the apparent dissapearence of information about
Kincaid or any Smithsonian association with the project. Just a
thought.  I can also tell you that the site is "nearly innaccessible"
as Kincaid said in 1909, and probably the only way a person could ever
get there is by boat, down the Colorado River. Or perhaps through an
expedition type hike from the east. Years ago I had considered such an
expedition, but knowing the Grand Canyon as I do, unless I had the
site pinpointed within 1/4 mile, I wouldn't attempt to find it.

--

Jack Andrews>>>>>>>>>>(original art and music mods)
amiga@primenet.com>>>>http://www.primenet.com/~amiga
Picture Rocks, Arizona
in the beautiful Sonoran Desert




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