GS> Digging around Internet in the archeology conference, I got a lead
 GS> to this file, which I freq'd from a Fidonet BBS!

Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:56:14 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Re: Thoth Chamber

Hello:-)

 > That's it! Yes, please send along whatever you have. Much obliged!

Sure.  I'll send you all the info I have about the chamber and the
Sphinx. I'm sure you'll find them very interesting.  In my veiw, this
discovery and the coming exploration are very big and meaningful events.
It represents the shift of our concsciousness and the begining of a new
age (Golden Age etc.). We are living in a extraordinary period!

G.Adachi

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:56:17 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Sphinx info 1

Subj:   Re:I need info
Date:   94-11-16 15:50:05 EST
From:   PStuart@aol.com

A couple years ago a team that included egyptologist John Anthony West
and geophycists Robert Schoch and Thomas Dobecki used seismic equipment
to attempt to date the sphinx. Their findings were that the monument is
many thousands of years older than was previously suspected. These
findings have been embraced by geologists, who recognize the validity of
their methods, but not by traditional egyptologists, who are hide-bound
in their academic interpretations. This is portrayed fictionally in the
beginning of the flick "Stargate".

Anyway, while doing their seismic soundings, West, Schoch and Dobecki
also located some previously unknown chambers beneath the sphinx. These
findings were confirmed by a Japanese team using different methods. Since
investigation of the sphinx is strictly controlled by a guy named Hawass,
the head Egyptologist in Egypt, the team had only limited time to stay at
the monument, and could not pursue their findings further.

More recently, workers who are engaged in repairing the sphinx found the
entrance to a tunnel that apparently leads below the monument, perhaps to
the chambers that West and company located. There are no plans to open
the tunnel until spring. Reports of scrolls found at the tunnel are
apparently false, a story concocted by the tabloids.

There are some suprises waiting down there, I think, but only time will
tell. West and Schoch are trying to get permission to drill a hole and
lower a camera into their chambers, but this may not happen, since Hawass
and the Egyptian workers now have control of the tunnel and repair
project.

93 93/93

Primordial Stu

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:56:29 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Sphinx info 2

This is an interview with John Anthony West.  PStuart is a freelance
writer (I think).

Subj:   John Anthony West
Date:   94-11-17 17:00:31 EST
From:   PStuart@aol.com

93

Here's the transcript of the interview with West:
Interview with John Anthony West, 1991
                                 ^

PStuart: I saw a really lousy piece about you over the A.P. wire...

John Anthony West: The A.P. piece was, of course, absolutely poisonous. I
talked to the woman in Cairo. I responded to it, because their was no
point not to. It was A.P., so it could have gone in a thousand papers,
but it didn't .

After that, we were invited to present our findings, me and my geologist
colleagues, at the Geological Society of America (GSA). And we were
basically the star attractions at this thing. That was the big geology
conference of the year and the geologists fundamentally said, "Of course,
you guys have to be right." And so that provoked a tremendous thing of
press. We subscribe to a clipping service and we have a thousand dollar
bill, because we have about 375 clippings, from virtually every big paper
in the country, New York Times, Boston Globe, Houston Chronicle, L.A.
Times... So we've got a real big thing going here and the archaeologists
and the egyptologists are absolutely up in arms and calling us terrible
names. The geologists are saying (to the egyptologists, etc.), "You guys
are imbeciles. What do you know about rocks?"

Now, as of February, my geologist and my geophysicist, It's my theory,
but I'm not invited, they're invited to debate the whole issue with the
opposition at the American Association for the Advancement of Science
(AAS), basically the World Series of Science. We're invited on opening
day to debate the whole issue. Those guys (the egyptologists, etc.) are
going to look like monkeys, because there's simply no argument about
this. The argument is "Who did it and when?", but it isn't and can't be
Chephren.

There's a terrific lot of information, but already a tremendous amount of
press.

PStuart: Have the findings changed your theory about the age of the
Sphinx at all?

JAW:    The theory is basically what it always was, except that we've now
done a hell of lot of scientific work to back it up, and still a lot of
scientific work to go to verify the thing. We are getting a lot of press
attention already, in major papers.

There's been heated controversy at Boston University [where Robert Schoch
is from] itself, because the archaeology department is dead set against
the whole business and calling Schoch names. Schoch is responding in
kind, so there's a hot controversy going there in the in-house B.U.
paper.

PS: Washington Post piece just mentioned Schoch...

JAW: They didn't even mention me. Usually I'm mentioned, but the truth of
the matter is that, at this stage of the game, it's the scientists who
are going to get listened to, not me. They have the credentials to verify
or rebutt each other and the whole findings. The entire thing is put
together by me, but now, quite rightly, it is in their hands. I put all
the pieces together, but now it is up to them. For example, I'm not going
to help actually put a date on that Sphinx, that's going to come from
scientists putting together a new technology, or revising technology
that's now in the process of being developed, to allow them to date when
the stone was actually cut out of the bedrock. With a geophysicist there,
we're looking for more stuff underground. I'm not going to do any of
that. It's the geophysicist who has to find it with his seismograph. It's
a little irritating when I don't even get mentioned in a thing like that.
The truth of the matter is that I'm responsible for the whole business,
but the scientists are now the ones who carry the work further. I'm quite
happy, in a way that I don't have to do that anymore. I can do other
things.

PS: What approach are they taking with the seismic soundings? What are
they looking for?

JAW: There are two prongs to it at the moment. We only had a week to get
our work done. We had a lot of trouble getting permission to do it. One
of our findings, one of the crucial things that we found that we weren't
even looking for, was that the seismic stuff does two things, it gives
you a profile of the subsurface geology. In other words, if you have sand
and then rock underneath, and then harder rock underneath that, it'll
tell you that. You hit a sledgehammer and it sends a shock wave into the
ground and the wave comes back and is read out by a computer. The sound
wave will go at a different speed through sand or through limestone or
through granite, so by analyzing or interpreting the readout, you can
tell what's under there. So this allows you, if there's some sort of a
major structure underneath, I mean, it won't find a chest of buried gold,
but it will find a hidden chamber or a hidden structure. So, part of our
ongoing work is to look for other structures. So far, what we've found is
something very provocative, but as yet not definitive. Interestingly
enough, some Japanese who were there around the Sphinx, working with a
different technology, came up with a similar sort of thing. We found what
looks like a cavity or a void or a chamber between the paws of the
Sphinx, and two other cavities or voids on either side of the Sphinx, in
positions that make it look at least provactive that these are not
natural formations. Particularly the one between the paws seems, on the
surface, to correspond to what old Edgar Cayce was talking about, a hall
of records or whatever. Until we get back there and do more precise work
that will allow us to say, here's the cavity or chamber, it's starts
here, ends there, goes from there to there, and its exactly so and so
deep, the board of antiquities isn't going to do anything. But once we
get back there and are able to be precise about where these things are,
then they might not necessarily dig, but maybe drill a hole down there
and put a little camera down and see if there really is something. This
is obviously very exciting.

And we found a couple of other suspicious looking things that look like
either chambers or channels or passages, in the immediate area. The other
thing is that this we didn't expect we found the seismograph tells you
how deeply rock is weathered. From just the general rain and weather and
beating that rock on the surface takes, there will be a layer of
weathered rock and then x number of feet down you'll hit the harder stuff
where the weathering hasn't penetrated to. Well, around the Sphinx we
found, on the sides of the Sphinx there was about double the surface
weathering that there was around the back of the Sphinx. This is very
interesting because it can only mean that the back part was refinished or
cut out later. It was quite mysterious, but the data was good data, it
doesn't lie. But we've got a clue now which we didn't think of. This is
one of the methods that we intend to pursue trying to put a date to this
thing, when it was cut out of the bedrock. If you find a piece of freshly
cut rock, or you know exactly when it was cut and you see how much
weathering you have, and then you have another rock that's got a hell of
a lot more weathering, you might be able to begin to quantify and put
dates on when the more weathered stuff was cut out, which at present we
can't do. One of the reasons why Shoch is putting a minimum date on the
Sphinx of 5,000 - 7,000 B.C., is becasue of that seismic data, even
though I'm personally convinced that it's a hell of a lot older than
that.

Shoch is only using that as a minimum date partly because he doesn't want
to scare people, and partly because that minimum date he really can back
up on the basis of the seismic data, even though he's absolutely in
agreement that 5,000 - 7,000 B.C. there were neolithic cultures around,
none of whom, as far as we know, could have begun to have carved anything
like the Sphinx.

Actually, we're about to issue a challenge to all of these egyptologists
and archaeologists who've been calling us all these names, which is that
we're taking thousand dollar bets that when the geologists get a
methodology together, that they're satisfied with, that will allow them
to distinguish or determine when rock was cut from the bedrock, that
we're going to end up with a date on the Sphinx that's older than 10,000
B.C. rather than anywhere around 2500 B.C., which is Chepren's time.
We're actually intending to make this an absolutely public challenge,
actually to make a lot of noise, and more embarrasment, and keep the
story going.

The big thing, of course, is this AAS thing in Chicago on February 7,
where we'll be debating with the opposition.

PS: Who exactly will you be debating?

JAW: Schoch and Dobecki, the geophysicist, will be presenting their
stuff. Mark Laner and Dr. Gauri, who is a geologist and a stone
conservation specialist, will be arguing the standard sort of stuff. Then
afterwards there's twenty minutes of debate with a moderator between the
four of them.

PS: What prompts the egyptologists to take their reationary stance?

JAW: It's a strange thing. The attribution to Chephren has been built up
over the years. For a long time nobody knew who built the Sphinx and a
lot of people in the nineteenth century, egyptologists, simply assumed it
was older because it looks older. The attribution to Chephren has been
built up via a chain of circumstantial evidence that is acknowledged,
even by some of the better people who put the evidence together, to be
circumstantial. If it were not contradicted by the geology, it would be
logical enough. There is a connection between Chephren and the Sphinx,
but really what the connection is, is that Chephren was the first one to
dig it out of the sand after thousands of years of being buried, and to
refurbish it and maybe even recut the head. It wouldn't surprise me one
bit if the head is in fact dynastic Egyptian. It's not Chephren's head,
that's for sure. But it may well be a dynastic Egyptian head, which is
one of the complicating issues.

The main reason that they're dead set against it is that basically
they're academics and academics are hostile to ideas other than those
that they already espouse. Anything that comes along like this and
absolutely upsets the whole apple cart, comes at them particularly,
totally from the outside, by somebody that they regard as an interloper
or a maniac, or both, they're very unhappy with. But mostly it's simply
that they're closed-minded. For the most part, I must say, with
egyptologists, most of them are just downright stupid. They're dumb
people.

This is basically a geological argument and unless the egyptologists can
address these geological questions, they're simply talking through their
hats. They're basically out of their field and they don't have either the
sense or the humility to realize it.

PS: I noticed in the AP they quote some Egyptian egyptologists. Is part
of their attitude ethnocentrism?

JAW: No. Zahi [Hawass] is our chief enemy in this thing. This guy's a
real scorpion. He's actually kind of an interesting character. He's kind
of a new mythological creature; he's a peapion or a scorpock, half
peacock, half scorpion. It's very difficult to deal with him, because to
get his attention you have to hold up a full- length mirror and then you
have to watch out for the lashing tail. He's a really dangerous and
malignant guy with an ego the size of a prima donna's, and the mind of a
camel driver. This is a real piece of shit. And he's in a position of a
lot of power.

Unfortunately, I can't really go after him because he's in Egypt. If he
were in America and an egyptologist, I'd....

We've made great capital out of that saying of his, 'American
hallucinations, no basis to this, West is an amateur, blah, blah, blah.'
What we did at the GSA, over the huge posters that we had of all the
evidence of water weathering, we blew up that remark into three-inch
letters and had that as the headline of the thing. The geologists all
came around and laughed; there was the evidence in front of their eyes.
He's simply doing what all the rest of them are doing, which is
absolutely failing to acknowledge the evidence, and absolutely, totally,
refusing to acknowledge that their evidence, plausible though it may
sound, is in fact 100% circumstantial. The geology simply contradicts it.

Basically, what I did in piecing this thing together was apply a form of
mathe matics, which is rare in science, and totally unknown to
egyptology, and that is you add two and two and you get four. It's as
simple as that.

PS: Why is the media so fixed on the idea of Atlantis?

JAW: I spent three hours with this [A.P.] woman, trying to avoid
questions of Atlantis. She simply wouldn't let me alone. I said, 'This is
a figure of speech. It's a paradigm of a vanished civilization. I'm not
talking about Plato's Atlantis. What I am saying is that you have to
reconsider these old myths that maintain that there were advanced
civilizations in the distant past'. It became a kind of joke with Shoch
and Dobecki. It became known as the 'A-word'. There was a big USA Today
piece where we were laughing about the A-word. This woman simply wouldn't
let up. This is what she wanted to write an article about and the fact
that I spent all those hours with her, telling her that it was beside the
point. What was at issue was the age of the Sphinx... I never said
Atlanteans built it, but what I did say was that somebody built it in the
very distant past who had a technology that we don't have today.

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Portions of this interview appeared in "New History" and on the Atlantic
News Service wire.

I hope you enjoyed...
93 93/93
Stu

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G.Adachi

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:52:43 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Sphinx info 3

This is fascinating information about the chamber under the Sphinx.  And
I'd like to point out that this is VERY similar to the information given
in CONVERSATIONS WITH NOSTRADAMUS by Dolores Cannon.

Subj:  Secret chamber under Sphinx (1)
Date:  94-12-20 16:04:53 EST
From:  Density 4

In an attempt to dig deeper into the mysteries of the pyramids and the
sphinx, I asked for the help of a remote-viewing buddy-o-mine. Here's
what he saw:

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Density asks: "What _exactly_ is in the 'secret chamber' underneath one
of the paws of the Sphinx? Who put it there and why?"

One wonders why Density would use his three wishes for this question,
since it would be impossible for him to verify it immediately, if at all.
Still, it has the merit of being really interested in pstuff, rather than
wanting to play the stock market.

What exactly is in the secret chamber: a door.

Who put it there: the people who built it.

Why: To get in and out.

Sorry, that was an Earl and Ellen Dombroski answer. Must've been on the
wrong "channel."  Sorry, Density.  I'll have to reset and answer you
tomorrow. NOT!

Oh, come on. I was just trying to say hello. I am working on your
questions, and they are *good* ones. That area is hard to scan, because
so many people are curious about it. It puts up a kind of psychic
backwash/force field kind of thing that I am still winding my way
through. The actual answer is star charts, but you want a description of
the objects (that's the reasonable desire), and I have to get close
enough to them to see what they are made of, and so on. And "star charts"
is a little vague, too. They are a mathematical model of the history of
their makers, encoded all information, included DNA and astronomical
data, rendered in a material I have not been able to identify.

But it *IS* beautiful! Busted and broken, too, but still beautiful, even
if crumbled. Water damage, flaking, wall erosion, but there doesn't seem
to be any "finish" to the rock surface itself. No tomb paintings, anyway,
or plaster. Older than that, although the chamber was enlarged and turned
to other uses (worship secret in the secret-place kind of thing).

The last beings in this space were not the people who made it, but the
last ones in sealed the entrance and covered it over with stone (and,
wait, yes, I get a glimpse of metal of some kind). There is an obelisk or
pyramidion made of some pitchblack material, but it is not Egyptian. And
I just got cut off!

Wow.

That was strange.

But I got enough of a good look that I can answer some of your questions.
I'll work on it. What do you think so far? Imagine an object that can
INFORM your mind just by being near it, and then only in the degree that
your mind can hold the information. No wonder they buried it. It would be
the "god that speaks through the stone." It's not a god, it's a radionics
device of some kind that warps human consciousness into "programmed
patterns." Wow. It's full of memories, images, I don't know what to call
it. IT TALKS! No wonder it has such a psychic field around it!

And it is alive in some way, I feel, though that's not the right word. It
is interactive with consciousness!!!!! All things!!!!!! Wow, wow, wow.
It's a made object, but by whom? I'm working on it. "By the gods," says
the voice, but that is not the original voice. Weird, weird, weird. "The
lifegivers," still not the original "surface."

IT'S a BEACON! MY GOD!!!! IT'S A BEACON OF THE MIND!!! And that's where
the shape of the pyramids comes from. The big pyramids were an attempt to
..... interruption .... the relationship is obscured by some sort of
static .... markers, but what for? The largest pure form, but of what?
Why two big ones and a little one? Khufu, Khafra, Menkara. We interrupt
this moment to say that you have strayed from Density's question. The
relationship of the Giza pyramids to the contents of the Sphinx chamber
was not the request.

So, okay, what did we get?  Something so outstanding that I am in awe.  I
wish I could plug you in directly, instead of have to write, gifted prose
or not.  It's SO wonderful.  You can talk to everyone.

See, words just don't cut it.  This is only a metaphor, but think of an
object that could connect you instantly with anyone who ever lived,
anyplace that was every experienced, and you could understand and
comprehend that time/place/person perfectly!!

YES!!!  I SEE !!! Why do I keep hearing the word "ben-ben" over and over
again?  That's an Egyptian capstone.

Of course, now I see.  It's a communications device, one that records and
plays back consciousness.  You don't need language.  You don't need
methodologies.  You just need to show up.  I wonder what the operating
radius is.  And all that pressure against getting close.  Is that caused
by the device, or is it a result of others trying to keep it hidden?
It's astronomical info, medical info, all the rest.  It's a model of all
consciousness.  And you "enter" it with your mind, just as later you
entered the great pyramid's central chamber.  Was that an attempt to
create a physical relationship that would do what this thing does?

Who put it there?  I'm trying, trying...someone not from this earth.
Sorry, Density, that's the best I can do.  It was a
beacon/commlink/archival record, but it can do more than that.  "The one
true stone," says a voice.  Made of star matter?  How?

Well that's all I'm going to get here.

Merry Christmas.

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G.Adachi

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:52:47 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Sphinx info 4

Subj:   Re:JAWest
Date:   94-11-18 01:27:08 EST
From:   JCPaulson@aol.com

West wrote a book some years back called "Serpent in the Sky: the High
Wisdom of Ancient Egypt" (John Anthony West, NY: Harper & Row, 1979). In
the preface, Peter Tompkins writes: "John Anthony West has taken up the
banner in support of the Alsatian philosopher, R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz.
It is the thesis of de Lubicz . . . that the builders of ancient Egypt
had a far more sophistocated understanding of metaphysics and of the laws
which govern man and this universe than most Egyptologists have been
willing to admit . . . . he incorporated [his material] into several
published works, of which the most important are the three massive
volumes of "Le Temple de l'Homme" [The Temple of Man: Luxor] . . . . To
de Lubicz the various symbolic devices of the ancient Egyptians were
designed to evoke understanding by revelation, by instant vision, rather
than by conveying informaiton: they were a means of breaking out of the
material bonds which limit human intelligence, enabling man to envisage
higher and broader states of awareness. For man, says de Lubicz, was
originally perfect and has degenerated into what we are, largely by the
use of reasoning."

The material reminds me of:

1) portions of Edgar Cayce's book, "On Atlantis" (NY: Warner Books, 1968)
that predict a chamber under the front paws of the Sphinx; and

2) the bedrock moving principles that the builder of Coral Castle in
Florida, LEEDSKALNIN, seemed to be able to harness. I'm always amazed
that no one like J.A. West for example has glomed onto or looked into
Leedskalnin's work which deals precisely with the single-person movement
of large pieces of bedrock weighing tons. I've always wondered if
Leedskalnin was aware of de Lubicz... or if West is aware of
Leedskalnin....

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G.Adachi

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:56:42 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Sphinx info 5

Subject: Re: Any info on legend of giant stone lion in remote New Mexico
From: barbelo@prufrocks.scranton.com (Barbelo)
Date: 1 Dec 1994 23:04:38 GMT

GeoArch2 (geoarch2@aol.com) wrote:

 : In article <3ab2fh$prr@nntp1.u.washington.edu>,
 : becker@laima.aa.washington.edu (Jonathan Becker) writes:

 : Thanks for your response.  I'm entertaining another hypothesis:  that
 : the shrine, including the lion sculptures and circle of standing
 : stones predates the pueblo period, and is the precursor of kiva
 : construction, which displays the same circular  array , and usually
 : includes two masonry structures that focus attention on a central
 : place or corridor, as that between the stone lions.  Of course, I
 : readily admit that this is purely conjectural, but look at the shape
 : of the two masonry structures in Lowry's great kiva (Anasazi Ruins of
 : the Southwest in Color, p.130).

Although I didn't see the prior postings concerning this article, let me
offer you some info concerning the standing stones, lion symbolism and
corridors;

Almost all megalithic sites are aligned to a portal which offers the
precise location of the Higg's particle which Cosmologists are searching
for through a vector. This portal contains an event which has been the
source of all archaeological mysteries. The particle enters the human
body through the eye and is the riddle behind all disciplines. Knowledge
of it has created all sacred texts and abstract testimonials, the
sciences and humanities.

The lion, as a singular entity, represents the mystery of the sphinx, and
twice three kings who offer the messiah a gift. These two messiahs are
the very same two mentioned in the dead sea-scrolls. The first is Jesus
and the second, the very riddle of the sphinx.

Three kings flank the great sphinx. Each holds a clue to his mystery, as
did every pharoah by representing a piece of his personage. It is the
very mystery of Osiris, the dead and resurrected God...who hasn't been
resurrected ...yet. He remains the voice of one crying in the wilderness.

Dante witnessed a mystery in Paradisio concerning the flanking lions
which concerns the great mystery. It entails an apocalyptic content I
cannot reveal. However, knowledge of this portal and its associated chaos
of mysteries can be reversed whereby the 2nd law of thermodynamics states
this has the power to stop time. When I realized that my witness to this
'force' contained info in all the sciences and humanities which I was
able to make order out of, I found that I had discovered how to stop
time. I was given a vision of the being (represented by the sphinx), and
told by the unmistakeable resounding voice of God (which permeates all
matter), "Seek to find this place". Seers have seen him, the Mayans saw
him, and he is known by many names worldwide. He is the Man-Child of the
Apocalypse, Johova- Elohim, the messiah the Hebrews await, Hare'
Chrishna, Ormazd, Yima, and others. He is not mortal.

Jesus came in the center of time and the interim of spirit and matter to
represent the mortal Adam and the immortal Adam, the second of three
Adams. However, He is represented as the lamb, whereas the 2nd messiah is
represented as the lion who will dwell with the lamb.

Check the mystery of Dante and the secrets of the pharoahs and you will
even understand why the young Tutunkamen portrayed Osiris. This truth is
highly Apocalyptic because it will give you to contemplate the riddle of
the Greek sphinx in opposition to the Egyptian sphinx.

The Greek sphinx (GS) was female. The Egyptian (ES), male.

The GS blocked the highways. God says, "Make a highway for your God".

If you figured out the riddle of the GS, she died.

If you figure out the riddle of the EG, he'll be born.

The GS terrorized the countryside. The ES is man's salvation wherein
Jesus and all of heaven will return and unite with man.

The GS held a riddle of man. The ES is the riddle of woman....and the
mystery residing in her which is why the beast has done everything
possible to keep her down in history...because her understanding of the
great mystery would one day overthrow him.

....and already, my cup runneth over. I was going to post this info. I
still may. Consider the mystery and understand why even hell was
fashioned after the manner of the female womb. The great mystery is a
mystery of knowledge and the opposing mystery is directed against the
minds of man, to keep him from allowing woman's understanding to save him
from the dark root of the beast's seeds of conflicting mysteries created
to throw man off the track of ...'another god'.

Lastly, in heaven the two lions were represented by saints. They only
represent the mystery, as did others, each in his own way. They are not
the mystery...only portraying it. Read into it. What Dante saw was REAL.

As for the circular stones, they represent mysteries of the Divine
Essence. Within it can be found the forms of all mysteries of archaeology
in the world. Understanding these forms, is to understand the premise of
the portal to hidden knowledge represented in all things.

Consider the enigma.

Barbelo

(the prophetess of the last days)

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G.Adachi

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Date: Sun, 1 Jan 1995 20:53:04 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Sphinx info 6

I originally wrote this and posted in several newsgroups in September or
October.

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Here are two news articles that I found recently (both articles written
by The Associated Press):

1)  ANCIENT TUNNEL DISCOVERED IN STATUE

Giza  Plateau,  Egypt -----

Workers repairing the ailing Sphinx have discovered an ancient passage
leading deep into the body of the mysterious statue crouched at foot of
the Giza pyramids.  That the tunnel is old --  very old -- is not in
dispute, said Giza antiquities chief Zahi Hawass.  Evidence indicates it
dates from pharaonic times.  What's puzzling is who built the passage?
Why?  And where does it lead?

Hawass said mystery lovers will have to bide their time to find out what
the passage is all about.  He doesn't plan to remove the stones blocking
its entrance until at least February.

The secret tunnel burrows into the northern side of the 240-foot-long
limestone statue, about half-way between the Sphinx's out-stretched front
paws and its curved tail.

Though Hawass said he is thrilled about the new mystery of the Sphinx, he
warns that treasure-seekers are likely to be disappointed.  Based on long
experience with the Sphinx, he predicts that antiquities workers will
find nothing more than rocks as they maneuver down the passage.

"But the rocks are their own treasure, because they'll give experts a
close-up view at what's happening inside the Sphinx," he said.

Few, if any, structures are as haunting and mysterious as the Sphinx,
built by pharaonic artisans 4,600 years ago as half-man, half-beast.
Egyptologists debate much about the Sphinx, including whose placid and
alluring face was the model.  Most agree it's Pharaoh Chephren, son of
the pharaoh of the Great Pyramid, Cheops.

Treasure-seekers have searched inside the Sphinx since antiquity.

The new passage was discovered by restorers repairing frail portions of
the statue.

"It's amazing," Hawass said.  "After all this time, the Sphinx still
holds its secrets."

2)  LATEST FIND OF 'CURSE TABLETS' COULD HOLD MORE CLUES TO ROMAN EMPIRE

Philadelphia-----

Archaeologists have found 50 lead scrolls -- used by the ancient Romans
to curse their enemies -- at the bottom of a well at what was once one of
King Herod's palaces in Israel.  It is the largest find of "curse
tablets" in Israel, said Kathryn Gleason, director of the project and a
professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Graduate School of Fine
Arts.

The Romans thought they could curse their enemies by writing the foe's
name on tablet and dropping the scroll into water or burying it.

"You could think of it as an evil wishing well," said Barbara Burrell,
the field director of the expedition and an archaeology professor at the
University of Cincinnati.  "They would tell the god exactly what they
wanted to happen to their enemy.  The scrolls could also be used to make
someone fall in love with you."

Penn archaeologists hope to get a better understanding of life in the
Roman empire by studying the tablets, which are at least 1,500 years old.
They were unearthed in August at Caesarea Maritima.

Other large bunches of scrolls have been found in England and in Greece,
Gleason said.

The scrolls, which are written in Greek, are awaiting translation.  They
are about the size of a 3-by-5 index card and must be painstakingly
unrolled and then dusted so that the words etched into the lead can be
read.

Herod's castle was the seat of Roman government in what was then the
province of Judaea.

"There were many court cases tried there," Burrell said.  "It may be that
all the scrolls focus on the same topic... to get the gods on your side
for a law case or to make your opponent stumble."

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Here are excerpts from CONVERSATIONS WITH NOSTRADAMUS by D.Cannon:

-----Century VII-14 (Vol.III p.31)-----

[ He will come to expose the false topography.  The urns of the tombs
will be opened.  Sect and holy philosophy to strive.  Black for white,
and the new for the old.]

~ Wayne(channeling)----

I'm getting the impression that this takes place in Egypt.  I have the
impression that documents will be discovered.  Documents much like the
Dead Sea Scrolls, with information on new technology.  That's all.

~ D.Cannon----

Will this be in our future?

~ Wayne----

Yes, it will be .... 1995.

-----Century VIII-75 (Vol.III p.150-153)-----

[ The father and son will be murdered together, the leader within his
pavilion.  The mother at Tours will have her belly swollen with a son, a
verdure chest with little pieces of paper.]

~ Pam(channeling)----

That quatrain is quite confusing, and we are attempting translation.

~ D.Cannon----

Would it help if you focused on the mirror?

~ Pam----

Actually Nostradamus has put down his pen.  He is now sitting at the
table, holding his hands, and trying to give us a verbal translation.
That is one of the easiest methods for me.  It's so obscure, so very
difficult.

~ D.Cannon----

Do the best you can.

~ Pam----

Well, the trunk seems to contain valid information.  The pregnant mother
seems to be pregnant with information also.  The murder of the father and
son simultaneously seems to be a hiding away of some kind of information,
an occluding of some kind.  I get very shadowy images.  The father and
son seem to represent information from two ages somehow.  I see
Nostradamus really concentrating, so I'm going to be quiet. (pause)  This
is confusing. I see a Romanesque fellow like Marc Antony of Antony and
Cleopatra, in a pavilion.  When you say "chest with the little pieces of
paper," I see hidden information.  This seems distant.  It seems very
Roman.  I see no pregnant woman.  I just see this guy sitting there in an
open pavilion with columns. He has on a white robe, and a laurel wreath
on his head.  He has much power.

~ D.Cannon----

Ask Nostradamus who that is symbolic of.

~ Pam----

I keep wanting to say ... Nero.  (Chuckle)  Okay, this is what I am
getting.  This has to do with not allowing Christian information, not
allowing some kind of messages.  They've hidden away some kind of
information.  This is a Roman who is repressing and killing people.  When
I'm looking in the mirror, I just see this guy sitting there.  I see the
columns, I see the leaves on his head.  And I see him immensely powerful
and not smiling.  He doesn't want some important information to get out
that has to do with knowledge that would change people's attitudes.

~ D.Cannon----

Is it knowledge that would deal with our time?

~ Pam----

That's a very interesting question, for this man was focused in his own
time.  He was only concerned with the safety of his crown, and whether he
would continue to be king.  However, from the way you phrased the
question, yes, the information does continue through to our time.  For in
fact, it was not all suppressed.  Some of that information is incredibly
valid and meaningful to us in this very moment.

~ D.Cannon----

Then you think this was repressed during the Roman times?

~ Pam----

It was attempted.  Much was, I must say.  The murder of the father and
son at the same time could even--although the time frames are different--
refer to the burning of the libraries in Alexandria.  There seems to be
some big loss of ancient information.  I don't know when the library at
Alexandria was burnt.  However, the father information was more ancient
than the son information.  But they both represent ancient information
and both were stored in this library.

~ D.Cannon----

And the mother is also symbolic of information because she's pregnant.

~ Pam----

Yes.  However, I see no physical female with child.  All I see is that
man sitting there.  I only feel repression of information.  Oh!  Now I
understand.  It was attempted to be repressed and much of the ancient
information was destroyed.  More current information did come out and
obviously we have it today.  Those who had knowledge of these new beliefs
were all pregnant with information.  The symbolism of the impending
birth, of the pregnant woman, is that the information will get out.

~ D.Cannon----

Then the verdure chest with little pieces of paper, also refers to this
information?

~ Pam----

I think this is one of the actual, literal ways they tried to preserve
some of the information.  It was also put in jars and buried, and carved
on stones.  There were different attempts to preserve this information
for all generations to come.  I would say, if we actually incorporated
that information into our knowingness, it would be probably the most
important information we could receive.

~ D.Cannon----

      And it's been hidden away and suppressed since the time of the Romans.
~ Pam----
      The attempt of suppression.  Some of it was.  Gosh!  I believe this is
the library at Alexandria.  I think they captured the information but they
didn't destroy it, which is really an exciting thing to think, because I
thought everything in Alexandria burned.  But it seems that out of a terrible
thing they got some ancient information, but they did not destroy it.
Nostradamus says this information still exists.  He is saying that if it
hasn't already been discovered within the last few years, it will be soon.
It's eminent.  You must know it existed; it continued to survive as a living
entity of a storehouse of knowledge.  It didn't disappear.  People didn't
bread into it and burn up the scrolls for heat or cooking.  It actually was
on high enough ground so as not to be destroyed by any natural events, floods
or anything else.
~ D.Cannon----
      You mean where it is located now?
~ Pam----
      I believe the library at Alexandria, of which I speak, does not have
existence on the Earth at this time.  It's entirely possible that the
Alexandrian library of which I speak had more than one part..  It didn't have
to all in one building perhaps.  I think with time, and of course, the
ravishes of humans, it has been disassembled and destroyed.
~ D.Cannon----
      Do you think it was taken somewhere else?
~Pam----
      It is near.  I mean, right over there.  I see this hill.  My initial
thought about the library at Alexandria was that there had only been one
library, and it was destroyed.  I think some of the ruins still remain and
can be visited right now if we went over there.  And when you asked me if it
were still there, I couldn't see any ruins.  So that made me ask, "Where is
it?"  And then I saw it on a hill.  That made me realize there was either
more than one library or more than one part of the library.  And the part I'm
talking about, there are no visible remains, there are no ruins.
~D.Cannon----
      That way no one will know where it is unless they discover it later.
~Pam----
      Well, they're not too interested in finding a place that doesn't
contain anything anyway.  This quatrain addresses the fact that back then the
library withstood some heavy-duty nature events and lived.  Then these people
came who took some information out which would be considered bad, especially
since they may have killed people to get the stuff.  But because I asked,
"What does that have to do with today?"  Nostradamus is saying that
information is getting ready to come out right now.  So the benefit is that
we're now going to hear information that is several thousands of years old.
We wouldn't have known about it if they hadn't stolen it, taken it somewhere
else and hidden it away.
~ D.Cannon----

      But it will be found, or it will come to light?
~ Pam----
      Yes.  And very shortly, I feel.  Just like any minute.  This
interpretation was so difficult because the words are a trick.  The quatrains
take me into literal thought.  It was good to look in the mirror where I saw
that man.
~ D.Cannon----
      You have to describe the scenes because they are tricks  They are
symbolism that Nostradamus has invented, and we need his mind to show us what
it really means.

----Century V-66 (Vol.III p.148)----

[ Under the ancient buildings of the vestals not far from the ruin of the
aquaduct.  There will be the glittering metals of Sun and Moon, the golden
lamp of Trojan burning, pillaged.]

~ Nina(channeling)----
      This is referring to Greece--Athens.  White columns.  The Acropolis.
~ D.Cannon----
      What is occurring there?
~ Nina----
      An uncovering of history which will help bring new but old knowledge to
the surface and help educate humanity.  I'm getting that this is a
reawakening of old knowledge.  The golden ore is symbolic of hidden records,
history and information that was buried a long time ago.
~ D.Cannon----
      Do you think it will be found underneath these old buildings?
~ Nina----
      Yes, I believe there were vaults or secret passageways.
~ D.Cannon----
       What does that last part mean: "The golden lamp of Trojan burning,
pillaged"?
~ Nina----
      What I am seeing is the golden lamp--this knowledge.  But pillaged does
not have a negative meaning.  Pillaged means uncovered, bought back to the
surface.
~ D.Cannon---
      That could be a mistranslation.(Later I saw that the word for "pillage"
did not appear in the original French, nor is it in other translations.
Where did Ms.Cheetham get that word?
~ D.Cannon----
       Can you see any time period?
~ Nina----
      I feel this happening within your lifetime.
~ D.Cannon----
      Can you see what the knowledge deals with?

~ Nina----
      It deals with knowledge of the future, knowledge of science, knowledge
of philosophies.  And I believe they find other related books in other
countries.  It was knowledge so new it was kept by only a few as sacred, for
there was no sense in bringing it to the multitudes of that time.
~ D.Cannon----
      Will someone find this by accident?
~ Nina----

I believe they will find writings speaking of the underground passages
and start exploring and find this information.  Some of this will
coincide with records that will be found in other parts of the world that
will help validate on another.  For this information was coming through
at various times without any form of communication.

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G.Adachi

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 01:35:43 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Hidden Information

validate on another.  For this information was coming through at various
times without any form of communication.

---------NO QUATRAIN ATTACHED (vol.III p.301-303)------

~ Richard (Pam's husband)----
     The chance for improvement or changing the direction of the planet seems
almost hopeless.  There doesn't seem to be any small event that can do this.
 Is there going to be a major event, either a consciousness change that
involves most of humanity, or a physical Earth change that might cause the
situation to change dramatically?

~ Pam (channeling)----
     Gosh, there are so many responses.  I hope I can remember them.  First I
must say that he heard almost a longing from you for something dramatic to
happen, to cause some big change to take place.  When you say those are the
only ways you see a change occurring, that means that you and the world can
broaden their perspective by embracing other catalysists for change.  One of
the things that Nostradamus foresaw in his dreams, nightmares or
hallucinations could be considered very positive, very uplifting and very
expansive.  This is the discovery of the new-old information.  This discovery
will, if this plays out be so incredible and so shocking and so stimulating,
that even the average person will be affected.  Not the Sudanese in Africa
who are still starving to death, not the people who have to focus on
bare-bone survival, but the technological society wihch is a large part of
the world.  This is something that would marshal the forces of all the
countries of the world together in a positive and exciting way.  This is a
huge event that isn't involved with war or natural disaster.

~ D.Cannon----
      What does he mean by the discovery of the new-old information?

~Pam----
     Well, I don't know where these thoughts are coming from.  I don't want
to limit what this information could be.  But it seems that, first and
foremost, we will immediately have to face the fact that we have been visited
before by beings from other planets, from space.  This will be revealed
beyond the shadow of a doubt.

~ Richard----
    Nostradamus is aware of this?

~ Pam----
    Yes.  The new-old information was written long ago, thousands of years
ago, and secreted away for protection.  It seems that they knew even then it
wouldn't be safe for the mind of humans for some period of time.  And now
that time is here.  With these feelings of despair it becomes essential now
to embrace this information as a large group of humans.  By realizing that
we've been visited by friends from space thousands of years ago, we instantly
realize the isolation we have had as human beings on this planet, and the
capabilities we have to reconnect with the stars.  That means we have the
capability to leave this planet, to go to other planets in other places.
 It's such a huge thought.  It's almost mind-boggling.  But after finding the
new-old information we discover we are definitely descendants of the stars.
 Therefore, we understand if we came from the stars we should definitely be
able to get back out there again.  Also with this knowledge comes this great
and glorious impetus to take care of the problem on this planet, because it
is our home planet.  It creates this global new awakening of love, for the
Earth suddenly becomes very small.  You don't see the planet as this huge orb
in space.  It becomes home, and we have to clean up the house.  It's a mess,
and company's coming.  That's some of the information, that they have been
here and they are coming back.  That is why the information will be
discovered shortly before they return.

~ D.Cannon----
    Where will this new-old information be discovered?  Can he tell us where
it is secreted away?

~ Pam----
    I can see nothing but sand and mountains.  The information is hidden in
the sand.  It's so dry.  I keep thinking of Egypt.

~ Richard----
    Isn't this old-new information coming out now through the intuitive
processes of hundreds of people?

~ Pam----
    I would say hundreds of thousands actually, because it is really an
awakening.  All of us have this memory within us.  We can trace back to our
great-grandparents relatively easy.  If we kept tracing we would get back to
the stars.  The fact is that our relatives are coming back.  We have this
knowledge inside us.  They are our genetic brothers, sisters, parents.  These
are other humans actually coming back, coming home.  People all over the
world are having these internal feelings of urgency or anticipation that
something is happening.  Much of it is being channeled through writing and
speaking.  But I am talking about actual documents that will be uncovered,
because the pragmatic 20th century world demands that.

~ D.Cannon----
    Can he give us an idea of when they will be discovered?

~ Pam----
    No.  Time is so difficult.  Every time I try to think of a time, it's
stressful because the time feels so urgent.  And when I think of numbers, it
is in the nineteens, and we don't have too many nineteens left.  It is
important that you know this will be discovered.

~ Richard----
    There have already been documents from Biblical times discovered.

~ Pam----
    These are older.  We are familiar with the Nag Hammadi gospels and the
Essene Dead Sea Scrolls and documents form roughly 2000 years ago.  I would
say this information predates those by at least a thousand years, if not a
couple of thousand years.  This is actually carved on stone, you know.
(Laugh)  Talk about carved on stone.  This is!

~ D.Cannon----
    I was wondering what kind of material it would be in order to preserve it
for that long.

~ Pam----
    I'm not sure, but it could be some metal, too.

~ Richard----
    What people left these documents?

~ Pam----
    The humans who were here.  Not the first humans, but the humans that were
here... gosh, ten thousand years seems so long ago.  These humans were not
the first humans to visit the planet.  There have been comings and goings
before then.  I think these were humans.  I mean, they looked like us...
almost.

~ D.Cannon----
    Was this before the time of Egyptians?

~ Pam----
    Actually it was before and during.  They lived here for some time.  The
strange thing I get is that they left, all of them.  So we are the
descendants of their descendants.  I see that there were humans that came
Earth.  And then these people, also human, came several thousands years
later.  And we are genetically as well as emotionally related to these humans
and also the first humans.  These later ones came, hid this information and
left again.  Am I making myself clear?  (We agreed.)  We're still connected
to them.  The humans that are here came from the humans that started here.

~ Richard----
    I see.  They left, but their descendants are still here.

~ Pam----
    And they are WE!

[ END ]

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G.Adachi

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Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 01:24:16 -0500
From: Number56@aol.com
To: Frank.Gaude@highsierra.wmeonlin.sacbbx.com
Subject: Re: Thoth Chamber

Hello again!

 > Thanks again, and please keep in touch if anything else comes up
 > regarding the chamber.

Well, actually I just added one more quatrain / interpretation to the
article HIDDEN INFORMATION which I overlooked before.  Since I send the
article to people quite often I decided to add the new one that I found
(today actually...)  So I'll send you the new HIDDEN INFORMATION, and
maybe you should replace the old one.  Bye :-D

Goro Adachi