From tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman) Sat Feb  4 16:04:15 EST 1995
From: tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman)
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Subject: Re: bruising?
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In article <3gltok$6pm@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mnmguy@aol.com (MnM Guy) wrote:

> Massage can't really "prevent" bruises from impact.  Blood vessels break,
> blood flows under the skin, and you get a bruise.
> 
> "New" or "fresh" bruises should not be massaged because it may prolong
> bleeding and make things worse.  Depending on the severity of the bruise,
> light massage to increase circulation and speed healing may be indicated
> 12 - 36 hours after the injury.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
.> Kevin Nadai, CMT

This is not entirely accurate.  You can dredge the meridian (or
acupuncture channel) which runs through or near the bruse to open up the
energy flow, allowing for faster healing.  Then, placing the thumb in the
center of the bruse or injured sight, you GENTLY rub in a clock-wise
direction, diffusing the blood in the tissues.  Repeat this several
times.  

Before doing any of the above procedure, first put ice on the area to stop
the bleeding--5-10 min. only.  Then place the area under very hot water
for 3 min.  Then ice again for 3-5 min.  Then lastly, back under hot water
for 3 min.  This will help to close the ruptured vessel, then the heat
will allow the blood in the dermal & subdermal layers to move back into
the ruptured vessel.  And then, the massage techniques along with dredging
the channel will diffuse the blood and in many cases accually prevent the
bruse from ever occuring.

For an old bruse, or one that is a day or more old, use hot water on the
area for 5-10 min. then perform the procedure described in the first
paragraph.  There are some herbs and herbal linaments that are also
available which can prevent brusing and speed up healing.  If you are
interested, you can contact me via my E-mail address:  tnt@onramp.net.

TNT


From amazon@kisio.esd.sgi.com (Stormwind) Wed Jan 25 17:55:32 EST 1995
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Wayne J. Trone wrote:
>Just curious if massage can help prevent/heal bruising.  I have a tendency
>to get pretty banged up playing broomball and snowboarding... and big
>purple and yellow bruises hurt a bit.  

to prevent bruising:
1) wear lots of padding, when possible.
2) make sure you're taking your vitamins
3) some people claim lots of vitamin C
   helps prevent and heal bruising.

to heal bruising faster:
1) pick up some arnica ointment at your
   local health food store and follow
   the directions.
2) pick up some tiger balm.  it probably
   doesn't accelerate healing, but it 
   helps reduce the pain.
3) pick up "plaster for bruise" at your
   local chinese herb store.  this is a 
   poultice that you stick over the bruise
   which purports to accelerate healing and
   reduce pain.

i'm an ice hockey goalie, and i've had
terrific success with "plaster for bruise".
with the last slapshot-from-two-fee-out
bruise i received, i stuck the plaster smack
in the middle of the bruise.  four days 
later, the center of the bruise was clearly
healing and breaking up faster than the 
edges...which is the opposite of how these
things usually work for me.

however, given how much bruises hurt and
given the fact that you don't want loose
blood clots running around your veins, i
would probably avoid massaging a bruise.

			stormwind

			hell's amazon
-- 
			holyperson of the temple 
			of the vulcanized disc


From Christine Wade  Sun Feb  5 14:58:42 EST 1995
From: Christine Wade 
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> This is not entirely accurate.  You can dredge the meridian (or
> acupuncture channel) which runs through or near the bruse to open up the
> energy flow, allowing for faster healing.  Then, placing the thumb in the
> center of the bruse or injured sight, you GENTLY rub in a clock-wise
> direction, diffusing the blood in the tissues.  Repeat this several
> times.  
> 
> Before doing any of the above procedure, first put ice on the area to stop
> the bleeding--5-10 min. only.  Then place the area under very hot water
> for 3 min.  Then ice again for 3-5 min.  Then lastly, back under hot water


	I'm sorry, but I agree with the original poster;  DIRECT 
treatment of fresh bruises (less than 2-3 days) is uncalled for.  The 
description of a modified contrast bath that follows is also 
contraindicated for the first few days.

	The changes in vascular permeability and histamine activation in 
the acute phase of healing is adversely affected by direct treatment.  
The blood vessels are too fragile, and the metabolic environment too 
unstable for direct treatment to be effective.  Direct treatment and the 
microtrauma it is likely to cause will actually increase total healing 
time rather than attenuate it.

	I certainly agree that treatment of associated meridians, the 
contralateral limb, and other techniques that are not applied directly to 
the bruised area are appropriate and helpful.

	It really can't hurt to wait a day or two, why not err on the 
side of caution?

	Again, this is my own opinion

	Christine Wade


From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov Mon Feb  6 07:28:01 EST 1995
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In article , 
 writes:
> 
> 	I'm sorry, but I agree with the original poster;  DIRECT 
> treatment of fresh bruises (less than 2-3 days) is uncalled for.  The 
> description of a modified contrast bath that follows is also 
> contraindicated for the first few days.
> 
> 	The changes in vascular permeability and histamine activation in 
> the acute phase of healing is adversely affected by direct treatment.  
> The blood vessels are too fragile, and the metabolic environment too 
> unstable for direct treatment to be effective.  Direct treatment and the 
> microtrauma it is likely to cause will actually increase total healing 
> time rather than attenuate it.
> 
> 	I certainly agree that treatment of associated meridians, the 
> contralateral limb, and other techniques that are not applied directly to 
> the bruised area are appropriate and helpful.
> 
> 	It really can't hurt to wait a day or two, why not err on the 
> side of caution?
> 
> 	Again, this is my own opinion
> 
> 	Christine Wade


This would agree with my own belief that the best acute treatment for an
injury is no direct action for 48-72 hours other than PRICE (Protect, Rest,
Ice, Compression, and Elevation). This doesn't preclude work not directly
on a bruise or injury or energetic work on meridians or focusing Ki.

After the initial period, which allows chemical and cellular level reponses
to occur, it's generally beneficial to promote movement without load-bearing
or very light direct work (short of the point of pain) to prevent formation
of cross-adhesions without damaging the still fragile integrity of the 
healing tissue. In this later stage, when danger of acute inflammation is
less, ice/heat pumping can be use to promote oxygenation and blood flow.
By minimizing swelling and oxygen needs (via cold) of tissues initially,
less subsidiary tissue damage occurs immediately following the intial injury.

..KEG

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In article <3fvaho$dbr@cael9.me>, wjtrone@mtu.edu (Wayne J. Trone) writes:
|> Just curious if massage can help prevent/heal bruising.  I have a tendency
|> to get pretty banged up playing broomball and snowboarding... and big
|> purple and yellow bruises hurt a bit.
|>                                              thanks
|>                                                      wayne
|>                                                      wjtrone@mtu.edu
|>

You should never directly massage a bruise, it could cause a bloot clot
to release.

Bill


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In article ,  writes:

> We discussed this in my sports massage class. There are a few different
> schools of thought on the subject. The instructor pointed out what does an
> individual do when they get hurt, in many cases they rub the area, just
> hold and apply preassure and so on. He recommended doing something along
> the line of what the injured person would be doing.

Strictly speaking this approach isn't nonphysical energy work but a much
more physical application of "gate" theory. The transmission of pain is
relatively slow and subject to interruption at various neurological "gates"
along the central nervous system. One manner of creating such an interruption
is to swamp the CNS with signals from the mechanoceptors - hence the almost
instinctive application of pressure to an injured area. A few articles on
pain and pain control:

Youngson, Robin, "Pathways to Pain Control", New Scientist, 
   21 March 1992, 30-33.

Callahan, Maureen, "Coping with chronic pain", Parents' Magazine, April 1989,
   p. 202(5)

Aronoff, Gerald M., and Patricia W. McAlary, "Living with Chronic Pain",
   Executive Health Report, March 1989, p. 1(4).

Also, Juhan, Deane, "Job's Body - A Handbook for Bodywork", Station Hill Press
  has an excellent section on pain. (This is essentially a physiology book
  for bodyworker's, not a how to do massage strokes book).

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