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From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 17:37:35 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: M. Ashley,_Massage:A Career at your fingertips_
Date: 5 Nov 1994 22:37:14 GMT
Message-ID: <39h1eq$hk9@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
References: <2gi3vr$4vi@strathspey.llnl.gov> <2vcc22INNcie@saturn.cis.ohio-state.edu> <2vt7p3$ecc@search01.news.aol.com> <2vtvoc$lvp@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: compilation of posts about the book
Keywords: book review compilation digest massage career professional advice
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

	As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on one book.  This post is about the book listed below.

AUTHOR:     Martin Ashley
TITLE:      Massage: A Career at your fingertips
PUBLISHER:  Station Hill Press
            Barrytown, New York, 12507
            +1(914)758-5840/+1(800)342-1993
            [Order No. P1354]
ISBN:       0-88268-135-4 (paper)
NOTE:       $19.95 paper,  7" x 10", 292 pages, index.


In [alt.backrubs] article <2gi3vr$4vi@strathspey.llnl.gov>
keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) wrote:
 jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J.
Blustein) asked:
 <2vt7p3$ecc@search01.news.aol.com>
[...]
,
 wrote:
<>The book "Massage, a Career at Your Fingertips" has a lot of inaccuracies
<>in it.
<
<	Please provide some examples.  Does anyone know if a new
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 18:06:54 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Myofascial/Trigger Point Pain Relief Books
Date: 5 Nov 1994 23:06:40 GMT
Message-ID: <39h360$q2b@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
References: <2rs8ep$pcu@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au> <2r33e7$2ga@cs.pdx.edu> <2vuln3$obq@search01.news.aol.com>  <1994Oct20.154350.1@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> 
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: compilation of postings about such books
Keywords: accupressure advice digest book pain relief myofascial trigger
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

        As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on single books and topics.  Often posts have been
included in hte book file just because they added one datum about a
book amongst other non-book information.  Such posts often appear in
two archive files -- one for the book info and one for the non-book
info.  
	This post is about the books listed below.

AUTHORS:    J[anet] G. Travell and David Simons
TITLE:      Myofascial Pain and Dysfunction: The Trigger Point Manual
PUBLISHER:  Williams and Wilkins

AUTHOR:     Bonnie Prudden
TITLE:      Pain Erasure: The Bonnie Pruden Way
PUBLISHER:  Ballantine Books, New York
YEAR:       1982
ISBN:       0-345-33102-8 (paper)
NOTE:       Bonnie Prudden, Inc: +1(602)529-3979 


Subject: Travel and Simons
In article <2rs8ep$pcu@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au>
S9010499@PITVAX.XX.RMIT.EDU.AU (P.MARTIN) wrote:
 garyc58971@aol.com
(GaryC58971) wrote:   

[...]
)
LMT garyc58971@aol.com (GaryC58971) wrote that `Bonnie Prudden has
written several lay persons books and they are ok for
non-professionals.' 

In article  amazon@kisio.esd.sgi.com
(Stormwind) wrote:

[...]
<(this is also in response to some old

richardd@cix.compulink.co.uk ("Richard Donkin") wrote:

[...]
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 18:31:34 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: L. Lidell _The Book of Massage_
Date: 5 Nov 1994 23:31:19 GMT
Message-ID: <39h4k7$486@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
References: <920604170642.24c00644@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> <1992Jun8.063016.754@unixg.ubc.ca> <2vdgvj$h60@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <773536114snz@scuk.demon.co.uk> <301bk2$5jh@ysics.physics.sunysb.edu> <379sd8$35u@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> <215.500.520.0NA70BC4@megasystem.com> <301bk2$5jh@ysics.physics.sunysb.edu> 
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: a compilation of posts about the book
Keywords: book review digest compilation general
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

        As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on single books and topics.  Often posts have been
included in the book file just because they added one datum about a
book amongst other non-book information.  Such posts often appear in
two archive files -- one for the book info and one for the non-book
info.  This post is intended to replace some of the posts in the book file. 
        This post is about the book listed below.

AUTHOR:    Lucinda Lidell
TITLE:     The Book of Massage
PUBLISHER: Gaia Books/Fireside Books
ISBN:      0-671-54139-0

In article <1992Jun8.063016.754@unixg.ubc.ca> arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
(Bill Arnett) wrote:

[...]
< I started withe *The Book of Massage* by Lucinda Lidell (ISBN 0-671-54139-0).
 gd@scuk.demon.co.uk (Giles
Davidson) wrote:

[...]
 markp@cs.uq.oz.au writes:
<
<> I'v been reading "The Book of Massage" by (can't remember the author), 
<> published by Gaia books anyway. It has a very good section on Shiatsu, which
<> gives some brief details on the priciples or philosophy of Shiatsu :
<> Yin Yang, the Five Elements, etc.


In article <301bk2$5jh@ysics.physics.sunysb.edu>
pjimenez@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Pedro R. Jimenez) wrote:
        On that note, I saw a book called The Book of Massage, by Lidell,
>published by Fireside.

In article <215.500.520.0NA70BC4@megasystem.com>
tony.haley@megasystem.com (Tony Haley) wrote:
 I was intrigued by a massage book I saw today.  Has anyone
else seen _The Modern Book of Massage_ by Anne Kent Rush (ISBN 0 440
<
 amazon@kisio.esd.sgi.com
(Stormwind) wrote: 

[...]
	On that note, I saw a book called The Book of Massage, by Lidell,
<>published by Fireside.  I was wondering if anyone here was familiar with this
<>book and could tell me what they think.  If it's not that good, I would
<>appreciate it if you could recommend on that is.
<
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 18:50:56 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: L. Liddell et al _Book of Massage: Complete Step-by-Step Guide..._
Date: 5 Nov 1994 23:50:44 GMT
Message-ID: <39h5ok$9ao@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
References: <124748@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> <1pfl85$42k@strathspey.llnl.gov>   <1992May7.075240.22330@cheshire.oxy.edu> <2901@transfer.stratus.com>  <1pfcpo$lq2@nic.umass.edu> <1993Mar31.131908.1@acad.drake.edu> <1pfep9$ivp@news.ysu.edu> <1pfkgg$426@strathspey.llnl.gov> <3778ot$6lh@news.iastate.edu> <37dq4a$2s6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk> <38j9uf$sb8@news.bu.edu>
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: compilation of postings about the book
Keywords: shiatsu swedish book introduction technique digest compilation
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

	As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on single books and topics.  Often posts have been
included in the book file just because they added one datum about a
book amongst other non-book information.  Such posts often appear in
two archive files -- one for the book info and one for the non-book
info.  This post is intended to replace some of the posts in the book
file.
	This post is about the book listed below.


AUTHORS:     Lucinda Lidell with Sara Thomas, Carola Beresford Cooke
             and Anthony Porter 
TITLE:       The Book of Massage: The Complete Step-by-Step Guide to
             Eastern and Western Techniques 
PUBLISHER:   Simon & Schuster, A Fireside Book


In article <124748@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith
Grant) wrote: 
>Subject: Several beginning massage books
>Date: 11 May 92 20:12:13 GMT
>References: <1992May7.075240.22330@cheshire.oxy.edu> <2901@transfer.stratus.com>
[...]
>My favorite three books for beginning  massage techniques are:
[... 2]
>The Book of Massage - The Complete Step-by-Step Guide to Eastern and
>Western Techniques, Lucinda Lidell with Sara Thomas, Carola Beresford 
>Cooke, and Anthony Porter, A Fireside book, 1984 (about $10 several 
>years ago)
[...]
>While these book show a bunch of techniques and are well-illustrated, they 
>don't replace hands on experience in an actual massage class.  By watching 
>an instructer demo a technique on some lucky body and then trying it 
>yourself on several other bodies (while the instructer is there to correct 
>your technique) you gain several benefits.  First you get to see how 
>massage techniques flow together.  You also get instruction on doing the 
>technique using body positions and balance that don't wreck your body while 
>you're helping someone else's.  You also gain an appreciation of the 
>similarities and differences between different bodies.  Finally, you have 
>the opportunity to meet and work (play?) with others having a hands on 
>attitude towards staying in touch.

In article <1pfl85$42k@strathspey.llnl.gov> keg@strathspey.llnl.gov
(Keith Grant) wrote:
[...]
 <1993Mar31.131908.1@acad.drake.edu> <1pfep9$ivp@news.ysu.edu> <1pfkgg$426@strathspey.llnl.gov>
[...]
>The following are reposts of answers I gave to questions on books or
>certification requirements.
>                             ...KEG
>--------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>My favorite three books for beginning and general massage techniques are:
[...2]
>Lidell, Lucinda, with Sara Thomas, Carola Beresford Cooke, and Anthony Porter, 
>1984: The Book of Massage - The Complete Step-by-Step Guide to Eastern and
>Western Techniques, A Fireside Book, Simon & Schuster, Inc.
>(This has a substantial section on Shiatsu as well as Swedish/Esalen
>and Reflexology) (about $10 several years ago)


In article  wday@dfw.net (Wayne
Day) wrote: 
Subject: Re: Backrubs
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 1994 14:18:34 GMT
References: <3778ot$6lh@news.iastate.edu> <37dq4a$2s6@cpca3.uea.ac.uk>
[...]
>An excellent book, IMHO, is THE BOOK OF MASSAGE: The Complete Step-by-Step
>Guide to Eastern and Western Techniques, by Lucinda Lidell et al. 
>Published by Simon and Schuster (with offices in London), ISBN:
>0-671-54139-0, it introduces basic Swedish massage, Shiatsu, and
>Reflexology along with supplementary sections on body reading and anatomy.
>US$14.


In article  wday@dfw.net (Wayne
Day) wrote: 
>Subject: Re: help me peez
>Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 04:42:02 GMT
>References: <38j9uf$sb8@news.bu.edu>
[...]
>THE BOOK OF MASSAGE: The Complete Step-by-Step Guide to Eastern and
>Western Techniques (ISBN 0-671-54139-0) by Linda Lidell et al is a
>Fireside Book published by Simon & Schuster in NYC.  It was available for
>$14 at one of our local chain bookstores, and gives a basic introduction
>into Shiatsu.  I'd think it was a good starting point for your studies. 
>It also covers "Swedish" and Reflexology, along with some good anatomy
>lessons and essays on specialized massage.
-- 
Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 19:00:07 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Sensual Massage Books
Date: 5 Nov 1994 23:59:53 GMT
Message-ID: <39h69p$ajt@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
References:  <1994Jun10.172350.12650@ultb.isc.rit.edu> <37ljeu$fpo@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <383mlq$81p@warthog.eng.octel.com> <38huoe$koi@maxwell5.ee>
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: references to a book (or two) about sensual massage
Keywords: sensual sexual full-bosy massage technique book digest compilation
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

	As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on single books and topics.  Often posts have been
included in the book file just because they added one datum about a
book amongst other non-book information.  Such posts often appear in
two archive files -- one for the book info and one for the non-book
info.  This post is intended to replace some of the posts in the book
file.
	This post is about the book listed below.

TITLE: The NEW Art of Sensual Massage
TITLE: The New Sensual Massage

In article <1994Jun10.172350.12650@ultb.isc.rit.edu>
bills@nick.csh.rit.edu (William Simpson) wrote:
>Subject: Re: Butt massage
>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 1994 17:23:50 GMT
>References: 
[...]
>Maybe you should have him read the book, "The NEW Art of Sensual Massage", it
>is available at most book stores and describes the benefits related to massaging
>the entire body, including the butt.
[That's it.  There was nothing more except the .sig.]

In article <38huoe$koi@maxwell5.ee> jlburhan@mtu.edu (Jeffrey L.
Burhans) wrote: 
>Subject: Re: Dumb question
>Date: 24 Oct 1994 23:41:02 -0400
>References: <37ljeu$fpo@csugrad.cs.vt.edu> <383mlq$81p@warthog.eng.octel.com>
[...]
>     If I might make a recommendation, the book "The New Sensual Massage" is an
>excellent source on both erotic and non-erotic massage. The techniques it
>offers have worked well for me in both situations.
-- 
Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 21:17:10 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: George Downing _The Massage Book_
Date: 6 Nov 1994 00:17:59 GMT
Message-ID: <39h7bn$b7m@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
References: <34318@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> <1992Feb24.055125.5614@panix.com> <920604170642.24c00644@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> <1992Jun8.063016.754@unixg.ubc.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: Some postings about Downing's 1972 book
Keywords: book technique table massage digest compilation
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

	As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on single books and topics.  Often posts have been
included in the book file just because they added one datum about a
book amongst other non-book information.  Such posts often appear in
two archive files -- one for the book info and one for the non-book
info.  This post is intended to replace some of the posts in the book
file.
	This post is about the book listed below.

AUTHOR:    George Downing
TITLE:     The Massage Book
PUBLISHER: Random House / Bookworks
ISBN:      0-394-70770-2 (paper), 0-394-48241-7 (trade)
YEAR:      1972
NOTE:      This book has been recommended in alt.backrubs many times.

In article <1992Feb24.055125.5614@panix.com> eravin@panix.com (Ed
Ravin) wrote: 

[...]
 stinger@pine.circa.ufl.edu writes:
<>My SO and I just took a massage class and quickly realized
<>what had been lacking in our home massages: A TABLE.
<>It made an amazing difference.  Where can I get a set of
<>plans for building one?
<
 arnett@unixg.ubc.ca
(Bill Arnett) wrote:

[...]
< I started withe *The Book of Massage* by Lucinda Lidell (ISBN 0-671-54139-0).
[...]
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From jamie@uwo.ca Sat Nov  5 22:14:28 EST 1994
From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Ouida West _The Magic of Massage_
Date: 6 Nov 1994 03:12:27 GMT
Message-ID: <39hhir$5fg@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>
Reply-To: jamie@uwo.ca
Summary: a couple of recommendations for the book
Keywords: book review digest compilation technique massage
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!


	As part of an attempt to remove some dross from the
alt.backrubs archive I am combining some book review posts into single
posts focused on single books and topics.  Often posts have been
included in the book file just because they added one datum about a
book amongst other non-book information.  Such posts often appear in
two archive files -- one for the book info and one for the non-book
info.  This post is intended to replace some of the posts in the book
file.
	This post is about the book listed below.

AUTHOR: Ouida West
TITLE:  The Magic of Massage

In article <1993Jun2.221123.10246@ousrvr.oulu.fi>
csc8aaa@gps.leeds.ac.uk (A Adams) wrote:

[...]

csc8aaa@sun033.leeds.ac.uk (A Adams) wrote: 

[...]
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'

From herbeck@husc3.harvard.edu (J. Herbeck) 10 May 92 13:17:37 EDT
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Book suggestions (WAS: suggestions?)
Message-ID: <1992May10.131737.12126@husc3.harvard.edu>
From: herbeck@husc3.harvard.edu (J. Herbeck)
Date: 10 May 92 13:17:37 EDT
References: <1992May8.163430.23531@cs.rose-hulman.edu>
Lines: 29

In article <1992May8.163430.23531@cs.rose-hulman.edu>, mortoncp@NeXTwork.Rose-Hulman.Edu (Christopher P Morton) writes:
> Just a quick question.  Anyone have any good suggestions on books I can  
> pick up to learn more about giving backrubs?  I enjoy giving them, but I  
> really don't know what I'm doing.....

I recommend: "Are you Tense?  The Benjamin System of Muscular Therapy:
             Tension relief through deep massage and body care",
             Ben E. Benjamin, 1978, Pantheon Books, ISBN 0-394-73499-8

The book is 8 1/2 x 11, 200 pages, and filled with anatomical drawings
and b&w photos of massage techniques being performed.  I think the book
is an excellent introduction to one style of therapeutic massage.  Of
course, I'm a little biased, as I'm a part-time student at his school. ;-)

-- J.

P.S. If you can't find it at your local bookstore, you can probably order it
directly from the Muscular Therapy Institute, Dr. Benjamin's school.

The address is:  Muscular Therapy Institute
                 122 Rindge Ave.
                 Cambridge, MA  02140
                 617/576-1300

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Howard Hughes Medical Institute   |
Lab of Molecular Medicine         | 617/735-6563
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From arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett) Wed Jun 10 00:46:42 EDT 1992
From: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca (Bill Arnett)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Greetings from Tulsa! And a question...
Message-ID: <1992Jun8.063016.754@unixg.ubc.ca>
Date: 8 Jun 92 06:30:16 GMT
References: <920604170642.24c00644@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU>

In article <920604170642.24c00644@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU> RTL22898@VAX1.UTULSA.EDU (Tristia) writes:
>	What is the best way to learn how to give relaxing massages?
>	I'm married and kind of shy, so a class may not be appropriate,
>	but videos or books would be great.  Can anyone recommend some
>	good ones?

 I started withe *The Book of Massage* by Lucinda Lidell (ISBN 0-671-54139-0).
It has sections on massage, shiatsu, and reflexology. It has lots of photos
and illustrations, and concise explanations of everything.  I think it's
pretty good, but it leaves me with the false impression that there is only
one "right" way of doing things.

A month ago I picked up a copy of *The Massage Book* by George Downing (ISBN
0-394-70770-2) and I think it is MUCH better, especially for a beginner. It
is easy to read and has a much more relaxed feel to it.  The author also
talks about some things which will help a beginner, such as: the advantages
and disadvantages of working on a massage table or on the floor; suggestions
for protecting the living room carpet; how much (or how little) clothing to
wear; etc..  It's not as daunting of a book as many others.  Obviously, other
people must like it too---it's in it's 39th paperback printing since being
published in 1972...about 800,000 copies.

The books cost me CAN$15.00 and CAN$13.50, respectively. (US$11.95 and US$9.??)

For videos, try checking your public library.  I've watched several that
way of widely differing qualities.  They're useful for SEEING a massage
(speed and rhythm of the strokes, for example), and to learn some new
variations perhaps, but I don't think they'd be very good for actually
learning everything from.  (The quality of some of the videos is REALLY BAD!
One featured a man and a woman massaging each other, with each section ending
with a lusty, close-up of the woman's face---long, blond hair of course!
And it was obvious she didn't get the job for her massage abilities---she
didn't have a clue what she was doing.)

hope this helps you.
Bill.
-- 
Bill Arnett                            Internet: arnett@unixg.ubc.ca


From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) Fri Apr  2 08:34:49 EST 1993
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: How to give a backrub...
Date: 1 Apr 1993 13:01:57 -0800
Message-ID: <1pfl85$42k@strathspey.llnl.gov>
References: <1pfcpo$lq2@nic.umass.edu> <1993Mar31.131908.1@acad.drake.edu> <1pfep9$ivp@news.ysu.edu> <1pfkgg$426@strathspey.llnl.gov>

The following are reposts of answers I gave to questions on books or
certification requirements.
                             ...KEG
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

My favorite three books for beginning and general massage techniques are:


The Complete Book of Massage, Clare Maxwell-Hudson, Random House, 1988
(about $12)

Lidell, Lucinda, with Sara Thomas, Carola Beresford Cooke, and Anthony Porter, 
1984: The Book of Massage - The Complete Step-by-Step Guide to Eastern and
Western Techniques, A Fireside Book, Simon & Schuster, Inc.
(This has a substantial section on Shiatsu as well as Swedish/Esalen
and Reflexology) (about $10 several years ago)


Jarmey, Chris, and John Tindall, 1991:  Acupressure for Common Ailments,
A Fireside Book,  Simon & Schuster, Inc, 95pp.
(An applied acupressure book with good drawings and layout) 
Massage for Common Ailments, Sara Thomas, Fireside, 1988.



While these book show a bunch of techniques and are well-illustrated, they 
don't replace hands on experience in an actual massage class.  By watching 
an instructer demo a technique on some lucky body and then trying it 
yourself on several other bodies (while the instructer is there to correct 
your technique) you gain several benefits.  First you get to see how 
massage techniques flow together.  You also get instruction on doing the 
technique using body positions and balance that don't wreck your body while 
you're helping someone else's.  You also gain an appreciation of the 
similarities and differences between different bodies.  Finally, you have 
the opportunity to meet and work (play?) with others having a hands on 
attitude towards staying in touch.

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Article: 1398 of alt.backrubs
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Path: fastrac!keg
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Subject: Re: how to get certified
Message-ID: 
Originator: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov
Sender: news@fastrac.llnl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
References:  <9J8TBQ3L@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1992 17:37:13 GMT


In article <9J8TBQ3L@cc.swarthmore.edu>, chorwit1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Cathy Horwitz) writes:
|> Someone out there must know....How does someone go about getting certified?
|>  I'm not totally sure that I want to, but I would like some information. 
|> Do you take a test?  Is it written or practical or do you just complete the
|> training?  Also, what about cost (ouch)?  If someone could send information
|> and could give me the name of the organization that does the certifying I
|> would be a very happy one.  Thanks,											Cathy
|> 

Cathy,

I only wish it was all that simple.  Certification and licensing requirements
vary considerably from state to state.  In states that haven't established
uniform requirements licensing requirements are often left to considerable
local discretion - in training requirments, licensing procedures, and
physical facility requirements.

On the one hand, the American Massage Therapy Association is pushing and
has conducted an initial testing for a national certification exam.  This
is a purely written exam with, most simply, a prerequisite of 500 hours of
massage training (I compare this with an entry level commercial pilot's
license requiring ~250 hours and carrying equal or greater technical
competence and responsibility to the client).  On the other hand, the
AMTA approach is of a clinical mindset, historically oriented only to
Swedish modalities, and politically controversial.

Noah Press, which publishes Massage Magazine, published a massage resource
guide a couple of years ago.  The specifics are:

International Massage & Bodywork Resource Guide

More than 520 listings of schools, associations, seminars and laws related
to the healing arts of massage, bodywork and holistic health along with tips
on choosing a school, a glossary of techniques and a book review section.
114 page.  $12.95 + $2 S/H to: Noah Publishing, P.O. Box 1500, Davis, CA 95617.

(The 800 number for Massage Magazine itself is 800-533-4263)


Station Hill Press also has published a guide for people considering a
massage career.  I don't have the specifics (title, ordering info) today
but can post them later.

The total cost of training will vary with the hour requirments, but something
on the order of $8-$10 per hour of training wouldn't be that unusual from
my experience.

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Article: 1405 of alt.backrubs
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Path: fastrac!keg
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Subject: Re: how to get certified
Message-ID: 
Originator: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov
Sender: news@fastrac.llnl.gov
Organization: Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
References:  <9J8TBQ3L@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1992 18:33:02 GMT


In article <9J8TBQ3L@cc.swarthmore.edu>, chorwit1@cc.swarthmore.edu (Cathy Horwitz) writes:
|> Someone out there must know....How does someone go about getting certified?
|>  I'm not totally sure that I want to, but I would like some information. 
|> Do you take a test?  Is it written or practical or do you just complete the
|> training?  Also, what about cost (ouch)?  If someone could send information
|> and could give me the name of the organization that does the certifying I
|> would be a very happy one.  Thanks,											Cathy
|> 


As an addition to the response I made yesterday, this is the info on the
book I mentioned about massage cert. requirements that was published by 
Station Hill Press.  I don't have a copy, so I can't attest to how
comprehensive the book is, but they are a publisher of quality books.

Ashley, Martin: Massage - A Career at your fingertips,  Station Hill Press,
Order No. P1354, $19.95 paper, ISBN 0-88268-135-4, 7X10, 292 pages, index.

[Description from the Body/Mind books - Winter 1992-93 catalog]
A growing interest in therapeutic massage has focused increasing attention on
career opportunities in the field.  Now in Massage: A Career at your
Fingertips, a successful therapist draws on his own experience, as well as
interviews with more than 50 massage practitioners and bodyworkers, to produce
a comprehensive reference to the profession.  Here is the complete rundown on
schools, licensing, professional organizations, sources of equiptment,
suppliers in the U.S., legal requirements, and more.  A thorough overview of
career options and a user-friendly career-planning guide compplete this 
invaluable reference for novices, students, and practicing professionals

Station Hill Press, Inc.
Barrytown, New York, 12507
914-758-5840
Credit Card orders: 800-342-1993 (ask for extension Station Hill Press)


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From jtaylor@pietro.pichem.adelaide.edu.au (Jo Taylor) Mon Oct 25 08:16:51 EDT 1993
From: jtaylor@pietro.pichem.adelaide.edu.au (Jo Taylor)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Scents?
Date: 25 Oct 1993 09:52:11 +0930
Message-ID: <2af67jINNg17@pietro.pichem.adelaide.edu.au>
References: <1993Oct15.213020.7754@mixcom.mixcom.com>  

jratliff@bpa.arizona.edu (Jim Ratliff) writes:

>In article , "Laurie S. Yanyo"
> wrote:

>> I had read earlier on this bboard that there were particular scents
>> added to the massage oils that could be particularly relaxing or
>> stimulating.  Does anyone know what those smells may be?  I went to the
>> "Body Shop", bought a massage oil and had a vanilla scent added to it. 
>> I tested some of the other scents they had available and some of them
>> were rather potent.  The vanilla seemed to be the most agreeable.  
>> 
>> Also, I'm rather new at this oil thing so bear with me, when I apply the
>> oil should I pour it directly to the massagee's skin or add it to my
>> hands first and then massage?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help in advance,
>> 
>> Laurie

A very good book on aromatherapy is one by Judith Jackson. This should give
you the information you want on oils to use for particular benefits, also it
will give you some handy tips on massage. By memory, I think vanilla is a 
scent used for relaxation. Also, it is always best to pour the oil into your
hand and apply it rather than pour it directly onto the massagee's skin. This 
way you avoid causing the person's skin to tense from shock if the oil is cold
and also remove the possibility of pouring out too much oil onto the person.


enjoy

Jo.
-- 
Jo Taylor
Dept of Chemistry, University of Adelaide, South Australia.
jtaylor@chemistry.adelaide.edu.au


From Gerhard Von Rosen  Tue Jan 11 13:57:32 EST 1994
From: Gerhard Von Rosen 
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: AMMA
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 23:38:32 -800 (PST)
Message-ID: 

>>>>>>>A while ago there was a question about AMMA, especially the
       interest for books to read:


                          AMMA THERAPY
                          ISBN: 0892814888

                          AMMA: ANCIENT ART OF ORIENTAL HEALING
                          ISBN: 089281229x

                          Sohn, T.
                           Inner Traditions

       Hope that helps.


Gerhard von Rosen                             WELL NOW! are you?
Mission, BC, CANADA                           WELL NOW? you are!
Voice   604-820-2602   DataFax 904-820-2770   WELL NOW! why not?
gerhard@cyberstore.ca                                   You always are..


From dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler) Mon Mar 28 14:38:49 EST 1994
From: dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Hello (I'm a newbie)
Date: 28 Mar 1994 17:49:25 GMT
Message-ID: <2n75b5$la@nic.umass.edu>
References: <41683@mindlink.bc.ca>

Bill Arnett (Bill_Arnett@mindlink.bc.ca) wrote:
: From: Terri Bennett,R RCSC,7
: Address : tbennett@dekalb.dc.peachnet.edu
: >While my cousin was giving me a wonderful massage (and yes that is legal
: >in this state *giggle*),

: I don't understand what the giggle was for.  Why *wouldn't* it be legal?

: > he mentioned that he learned in massage school
: >some connection between massaging the ankle and the uterus contracting.
: >He says this relieves the cramps for his girlfriend.

: Sounds like he was using a reflexology point.  There is a point just
: below the ankle bone that corresponds to the ovary (or testicle). The
: wrists have reflex points for the ovary/testicle and the uterus/prostate.
: (Does the ankle also have the uterus reflex point?  I don't know.)

: I don't know much about reflexology, so I can't give you any more info.
: You want to get a good book on reflexology if you want to try this out.

: Cheers. Bill.
: --
: Bill_Arnett@mindlink.bc.ca
: PO Box 32593, Aberdeen Centre P.O., Richmond, BC.  V6X 3S1


Bill is correct in reflexology there is a reflex to the uterus/overies 
along the ankles..  and your friend is right that if you are pregnant you 
should not have these areas massaged -- unless you are late in delivery.  
You can utilize massage in this area to help "get things started" if you 
a passed your due date.  Your friend should also be sure to work gently 
on you feet when you are pregnant due to realease of toxins in the system 
after reflexology.  A great massage for pregnant women is a circulatory 
massage.  Then "how to's" are in a book Evolutionary Traditions by Robert 
Berube, DSc, DC.  He is also my teacher so we were taught this technic 
from him.  If you can't find the book let me know and I will give you a 
source.

Diane


From rtheath@aol.com (RT Heath) Wed Apr  6 16:05:56 EDT 1994
From: rtheath@aol.com (RT Heath)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Taoist Massage
Date: 6 Apr 1994 15:03:02 -0400
Sender: news@search01.news.aol.com
Message-ID: <2nv116$4vc@search01.news.aol.com>
References: 

Have you checked out any of the _Peaceful Warrior_ series of books by Dan
Millman?

He's more-or-less Taoist in philosophy and does a wonderful job of relating
self-care, exercise, mental attitudes and philosophies into a mode of living
gracefully and fully aware.  Touches on massage a little bit, so I figured it
was ok to post here.

Check him out- he's a fantastic and insightful author.

rtheath@aol.com


From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) Thu Apr 28 14:48:20 EDT 1994
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: National Certification Exam
Date: 28 Apr 1994 09:55:12 -0700
Message-ID: <2poppg$s9e@strathspey.llnl.gov>
References: 

In article , mg@fm.unomaha.edu (Matt Galardi) writes:
|> In all it's wisdom the State of Nebraska switched from a state certification 
|> exam to the National Certification Exam a few months ago without
|> telling anyone until it was said and done.  I graduated from Massage Therapy 
|> school last January and felt ill prepared from what the school taught to take
|> this test. (Not blaming the school, since their cirriculum was geared to the
|> state test)
|> I have gather the following aids in preparation for the test:
|> 1)Massage Exams: National & Local Certification Textbook
|> 2)How to Pass your Massage Therapy Exams
|> 3)The Book! and accompanying video by Cal Cooley.
|> 4) I also am utilizing my school books and reference material.
|> 
|> Any suggestions as to what to concentrate on from those who have taken the
|> National test would be greatly appreciated.  Also, what is the test format ?
|> (i.e. Multiple guess, fill in the blank)
|> 

The test format is 150 questions, multiple choice (a,b,c,d). Scoring is 
based only on correct anwsers - you don't lose penalty points for wrong
answers, you just don't get positive points.  Time for the test is 3 hours,
which I found to be more than ample.  The test has a heavy emphasis on
anatomy and physiology. Types of questions range from the action of
particluar muscles, to which part of the nervous system does xxx? to what
nerve etc. would be endangered by pressing too heavily on yyy?

IMHO some of the test prep books are not nearly as well done as the test
itself.  I found some of the prep books either have conflicting answers or
give a direct quote from Beck's book taken out of it's original context.
>From what I've seen and heard, "The Book!" is supposed to be the best of
the lot.


The test booklet has a page of references in the back.  Some books I found
to be especially helpful are:

 93-28234: Beck, Mark.  Milady's theory and practice of therapeutic massage
     /  2nd ed.  Albany, NY : Milady Pub. Co., 1994.  p. cm. (this is a new
version of the classic classroom massage text. A lot of the background and
info on supporting modalities (e.g. hydrotherapy) is found here.

 85-62295: Sieg, Kay W., 1942-
  Illustrated essentials of musculoskeletal anatomy / Kay W. Sieg, Sandra P.
Adams, with contributions from the first edition [by] Anna Deane Scott ;
[illustrators, Dan Conway ... et al.].  2nd ed.  Gainesville, Fla. : Megabooks,
1985.  xi, 154 p. : ill. ; 28 cm.
(This has great drawing of muscles with appropriate detail. Text adds 
info on the action of specific muscles and their insertions and origins)

 93-23382: Thompson, Clem W.  Manual of structural kinesiology /  12th ed.
     St. Louis : Mosby, c1994.  ix, 228 p. : ill. (some col.) ; 28 cm.
     LC CALL NUMBER: QP303 .T58 1994
 (Another good ref on the structure and action of major muscles)


1. 91-29836: Thibodeau, Gary A., 1938-  The human body in health & disease /
     St. Louis : Mosby Year Book, c1992.  xviii, 569, [98] p. : ill. (some
     col.) ; 26 cm.
(This is an excellently written and illustrated text for anatomy, physiology,
and general pathology.  I believe Mosby has published an accompanying workbook)

63. 87-10076: Juhan, Deane.  Job's body : a handbook for bodywork /
     Barrytown, N.Y. : Station Hill Press ; New York, N.Y. : Distributed by
     Talman Co., c1987.  xxxi, 365 p. : ill. ; 27 cm.
(A general physiology book from a bodywork perspective - readable)

 88-14559: Tappan, Frances M.  Healing massage techniques : holistic,
     classic, and emerging methods /  2nd ed.  Norwalk, Conn. : Appleton &
     Lange, c1988.  xix, 347 p. : ill. ; 24 cm.
(A good reference on general terminology and various styles of massage)


 92-24314: Ashley, Martin.  Massage : a career at your fingertips /
     Barrytown, N.Y. : Straton Hill Press, 1992.  p. cm.
(all you need to know on business practices and ethics for the exam)

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From dep@world.std.com (Eric J DeWitt) Fri May 13 07:26:20 EDT 1994
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: dep@world.std.com (Eric J DeWitt)
Subject: Qigong Massage
Message-ID: 
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 20:35:13 GMT

	I am new to this group, though I have been interested in massage
for many years.  I would like to ask (a short answer will do) abotu
weather the seperation of sexualty and massage was/is a rule of this
news group.  I am personaly interested in massage as a healing theory,
and as a pratice that brings humans closer together.  I feel that
sensuousness is not a bad thing, and it is not nessecarly any indication
of an interest in sexual relations.  I would like to recommed a book and
a set of videos for peop0le interested in more informaiton on Chinese
Qigong massage (a partial root of Shiatsu, and closely related to
chinese acupuncture).  Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming, a master of Shaolin
Long-Fist Gung Fu and White Crane Gung Fu, has a book and a series of
videos about Qigung massage, that are easy to read and understand.  He
has also produced a two videos on Qigung massage, one self massage and
one massage with a partner.  He also has books about other aspects of
Qigung, including Qigung for Arthritis, a few books on the root of
chinese qigung and the basics of the study of Qi (Qi is pronounced Chi
ie Tai-Chi = Tai-Qi, Chi-Gung = Qigung).  Master Yang also gives
seminars in the USA and in France and occasionaly elsewere in europe.
The seminars in the us are given in winter (jan-feb) and summer
(jun-aug) and usually last three days.  These seminars include Qigung
massage.  for more information contact YMAA publicatin center @ 38 Hyde
park Ave. Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 - (800) 669-8892.
	-eric


From Richard Vaughan  Sat May 28 22:36:18 EDT 1994
From: Richard Vaughan 
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: The famous danielle....
Date: Sat, 28 May 94 17:14:48 -0500
Message-ID: 
References: <2s7tuf$g7g@sirius.cs.pdx.edu>

Goodbye, and good fingers to you.(massage fingers, that is) Don't
forget Joseph Heller's book "Bodywise". You sound like you'd be a good
Hellerworker or Rolpher. Not afraid to get in there and change things.
Hosta La Bye Bye:v)
RV


From amazon@kisio.esd.sgi.com (Stormwind) Tue Jun 21 07:05:40 EDT 1994
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: amazon@kisio.esd.sgi.com (Stormwind)
Subject: Sinus acupressure points (was Re: Cracking backs)
Message-ID: 
References:  
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 1994 03:50:07 GMT

Robin E. Baylor wrote:
>(Stormwind) writes:
>: along other lines, i recently have had some
>: success (finally!) with the acupressure point
>: for sinus problems.  
>
>Can I get a little more detail on this? (I have hay fever).

depending on how your hay fever manifests
itself, this may or may not work (mine, for
instance, takes the form of unstoppable 
sneezing, itchy eyes, and a runny nose).
if your symptoms are stopped up sinuses, 
this may help; this was the complaint of
the original sufferer.

>I don't really understand the description of where/how to 
>push. Do you mean right between the eyebrows? 

pedro chan's "finger acupressure" book 
(very short, but does have some good acupressure
points) has one for 'sinus pain' that is,
indeed, smack in the middle of the eyebrows,
right over your nose.  the directions say to 
have the subject sit or lie down, then to 
pinch the point hard.

the points which i was originally referring
to are just under the eyebrows.   take your
index fingers and place them on the inside 
corner of your eye sockets where the eye meets
the bridge of the nose.  now follow the curve
of your eye sockets around and up.  on my 
subject, i found that there was a very slight 
indentation to his eyebrow ridge at the point
where he reported the 'weird' sensation.  

these aren't easy points to find.  i was 
fortunate that my vict...er, subject was
patient and used to having me fix things
by using unusual methods.  i spent several
minutes pressing various spots on his eyebrow
ridge with no success the first time.  the
key (on him, anyways) appeared to be to press
inwards AND upwards (i.e. you're not just
pushing towards the back of the head, horizontally,
but you're also pushing *upwards*, towards
the top of the head, at the same time).

acupressure can take varying quantities of
time to work.  sometimes i get nearly immediate
results like this one, sometimes it can take
up to five minutes to get results.

if you have bonnie pruden's trigger point book,
the points i was using are illustrated in the
back on plate 12, point 61.  point 62 appears
to be the point referenced by chan's acupressure
book.

>Can I do it to myself?

good question.  i believe so, once you find
the right spots; all of the acupressure points
i've tried on myself seem to work.  they are 
not as difficult to use on yourself as the 
trigger points (i found i had to have someone 
else work on the trigger points for my sprained 
knee because i couldn't put enough pressure 
on the spots both from the angle of the affected 
area, and the pain involved).

				stormwind

				hell's amazon


From gd@scuk.demon.co.uk Wed Jul  6 21:49:43 EDT 1994
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
From: gd@scuk.demon.co.uk (Giles Davidson)
Subject: Re: Shiatsu 
References: <2vdgvj$h60@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 23:08:34 +0000
Message-ID: <773536114snz@scuk.demon.co.uk>

In article <2vdgvj$h60@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> markp@cs.uq.oz.au writes:

> I'v been reading "The Book of Massage" by (can't remember the author), 
> published by Gaia books anyway. It has a very good section on Shiatsu, which
> gives some brief details on the priciples or philosophy of Shiatsu :
> Yin Yang, the Five Elements, etc.
> 
> Can anyone point me to books or on-line material that covers these aspects
> in greater detail? I'm looking for this kind of philosopy in its broader
> context as well as the way it relates to Shiatsu.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Mark
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Pedersen             |   
> Dept. of Computer Science | "When people start questioning, 
> University of Queensland  |  oppression can't continue very long." 
> Australia                 |                             
> Email: markp@cs.uq.oz.au  |                                -John D'Alton
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
Some books:
Shiatsu - the complete guide by Chris Jarmey & Gabriel Mojay
	Thorsens ISBN 0 7225 2243 6 
	A good general introduction to Shiatsu both technique & 
	TCM (traditional chinese medicine) as it relates to shiatsu.

The Book of Shiatsu - Paul Lundberg
	Gaia ISBN 1 85675 060 4
	Covers similar ground to the complete guide, a little more lightweight.

Zen Shiatsu by Shizuto Masunaga & Wataru Ohashi
	Japan Publications Inc ISBN 0 87040 394 X
	Introduction to Masunaga's ideas on meridien energetics and various
	techniques. Masunaga's work informs the first two books. He probably
	is the major influence here in the UK, rather than Namikoshi.

The Foundations of Chinese Medicine by Giovanni Maciocia
	Churchill Livingstone ISBN 0 443 03980 1
	Excellent, comprehensive and surprisingly readable treatise on TCM.
	Expensive though.

The Web that has no Weaver by Ted Kapchuk
	Can't find my copy for the publisher/ISBN but should be readily 
	available.
	Good introduction to TCM, lighter than Maciocia.
-- 
Giles Davidson


From Richard Vaughan  Tue Jul 12 07:46:00 EDT 1994
From: Richard Vaughan 
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Shiatsu
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 94 01:54:38 -0500
Message-ID: <5czRyMO.rvaughanca@delphi.com>
References: <2vdgvj$h60@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au>

Mark Pedersen  writes:
 
>gives some brief details on the priciples or philosophy of Shiatsu :
>Yin Yang, the Five Elements, etc.
>
>Can anyone point me to books or on-line material that covers these aspects
>in greater detail? I'm looking for this kind of philosopy in its broader
>context as well as the way it relates to Shiatsu.
 
Iona Teegardens book Jin Shin Do has a lot of yin Yang Philosophy. I got
an
in Eastern culture in college, and that is the best book on the subject
(Taoism) I've ever read, although it is an Acupressure book.


From pjimenez@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Pedro R. Jimenez) Wed Jul 13 21:41:30 EDT 1994
From: pjimenez@libws4.ic.sunysb.edu (Pedro R. Jimenez)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Book opinion needed.
Date: 13 Jul 1994 18:26:10 GMT
Message-ID: <301bk2$5jh@ysics.physics.sunysb.edu>

Hey all,
	I have recently become interested in massage.  As a matter of fact,
earlier this summer I visited my local library and read two books:
	Mini-Massage and
	The Massage Book

Mini-massage, I thought, was a pretty good intro, but I thirsted for more
knowledge.  Thus I borrowed the book which seemed to be highly recommended
here.  Unfortunately, I can't keep it and I've looked around in bookstores
for it or a book of comparable quality.  However, in doing so, I became aware
that I don't think I'm a very good judge of the quality of the content of
such a book.  In addition, I'm just a poor college kid and must watch my
expenses.  I want something that is damn good.

	On that note, I saw a book called The Book of Massage, by Lidell,
published by Fireside.  I was wondering if anyone here was familiar with this
book and could tell me what they think.  If it's not that good, I would
appreciate it if you could recommend on that is.

					Thanks in advance,
					   Ped


From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) Wed Jul 27 08:20:28 EDT 1994
From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Massage question
Date: 26 Jul 1994 14:27:24 -0700
Message-ID: <313v3s$96a@strathspey.llnl.gov>
References: <3123rk$mpf@news.iastate.edu> <313ekc$6ut@search01.news.aol.com>

In article <313ekc$6ut@search01.news.aol.com>, garyc58971@aol.com (GaryC58971) writes:

|> As far as someones statment that some of us just want to make massage just
|> like physical therapy, I have several thoughts. 
|> 
|> Do you mean to make it legitimate and professional in the public eye? Your
|> darn right I do!!! Do you mean to make it something that any person would
|> feel comfortable to do with no moral or ethical second thoughts?  Right
|> again!!! Do you mean to make it so that most clients are more concerned
|> with getting a good therapist instead of one that "looks" a certain way? 
|> Yep!!! Me too!!!  
|> 

I believe the comment re physical therapy and massage may have as much to do
with percieved tendencies in some parts of the massage world to focus on
the medical/insurance model as it has to to with the massage/legitimacy
question to the exclusion of other models and aptitudes. While the medical 
model has a lot of legitimacy in our culture, it also has many problems in 
terms of practitioner-patient communication and dealing with the larger 
mind-body-emotions-spirit aspects of personal and family healing (cf. 
Hammerschlag, 1988). The in many ways separate  question of massage 
legitimacy has as much to do with cultural educationand transformation 
(larger, more difficult, and more wonderful goals) as it does with narrowing 
massage to fit the current cultural blinders.

There can be a lot of valid reasons for receiving or giving massage. First
off, it ties into a lot of basic human needs for touch and interrelation
(Ackerman, 1991; Ornstein and Sobel, 1989). This can include motivational
rewards to yourself (or your leved-ones) as well as the benefits in dealing 
with the pace and stresses of modern life. Massage can be used as a vehicle
for increasing your awareness of your body sensations (proprioception)
how it functions, and how body awareness can give you new tools for 
relating to the world (Calais-Germain, 1993; Hanna, 1988; Heckler, 1984,
Olsen, 1991). This is increasingly important as we sit at desks and
computers blotting out conscious awareness of our posture and breathing. 
Massage can be a tool in becoming aware of and developing aptitudes 
or intellegences beyond the traditional verbal-linguistic/
mathematical-logical modes (Armstrong, 1993). Massage and bodywork can 
also be part of a process of healing from physical and sexual abuse (Ford, 
1993; Kurtz, 1990).

I've probably just scratched the surface. The point is, many of these uses
of massage require or benefit from skills and backgrounds separate from the 
purely anatomical/manipulative skills and job description of physical therapy.
This doesn't mean that physical therapy methods can't contribute to massage
(they have and do greatly), but that many of us wan't to make sure that
a more comprehensive model is used for massage and that people with important
kinesthetic and interpersonal skills, aptitudes, and backgrounds aren't filtered 
out prematurely in the name of cultural legitimacy.


...Keith

References - suggested reading

1. Ackerman, Diane.
  A natural history of the senses / Diane Ackerman.  1st Vintage Books ed.
New York : Vintage Books, 1991.  xix, 331 p. ; 20 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER:  BF233 .A24 1991 *NOT IN LC COLLECTION*
 
SUBJECTS:
  Senses and sensation.
  Manners and customs.
  Human behavior.


2. Armstrong, Thomas.
  7 kinds of smart : identifying and developing your many intelligences /
Thomas Armstrong.  New York, N.Y. : Plume, c1993.  261 p. ; 21 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: BF431 .A579 1993
 
SUBJECTS:
  Ability.
  Intelligence.
  Typology (Psychology)


3. Calais-Germain, Blandine.
  [Anatomie pour le mouvement. English]
  Anatomy of movement / Blandine Calais-Germain ; translated by Nicole Commarmo
nd ; edited by Stephen Anderson.  English language ed.  Seattle : Eastland
Press, c1993.  x, 289 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: QP301 .C2313 1993
 
SUBJECTS:
  Musculoskeletal system.
  Human mechanics.



4. Ford, Clyde W.
  Compassionate touch : the role of human touch in healing and recovery / by
Clyde W. Ford.  New York : Simon & Schuster, c1993.  252 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: RC489.T69 F67 1993
 
SUBJECTS:
  Touch--Therapeutic use.
  Adult child abuse victims--Rehabilitation.
  Touch--Psychological aspects.
  Emotions--Physiological aspects.
 Psychotherapy--methods.



5. Hammerschlag, Carl A.
  The dancing healers : a doctor's journey of healing with native Americans /
Carl A. Hammerschlag.  1st ed.  San Francisco : Harper & Row, c1988.  170 p. ;
22 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: E78.S7 H24 1988
 
SUBJECTS:
  Hammerschlag, Carl A.
  United States. Indian Health Service.
  Indians of North America--Southwest, New--Medicine.
  Indians of North America--Medical care--Southwest, New.


6.  Hanna, Thomas, 1928-
  Somatics : reawakening the mind's control of movement, flexibility, and
health / Thomas Hanna.  Reading, Mass. : Addison-Wesley, c1988.  xiv, 162 p. :
ill. ; 24 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: RC953.8.E93 H36 1988
 
SUBJECTS:
  Exercise therapy for the aged.
  Geriatrics.
  Sensorimotor integration.
  Exercise for the aged.



6. Heckler, Richard Strozzi.
  The anatomy of change : East/West approaches to body/mind therapy / Richard
Strozzi Heckler ; foreword by Robert K. Hall ; illustrated by Masami Daijogo.
1st ed.  Boulder : Shambhala ; [New York] : Distributed in the U.S. by Random
House, 1984.  xvi, 138 p. : ill. ; 23 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: RA776.5 .H39 1984
 
SUBJECTS:
  Health--Philosophy.
  Mind and body.
  Physical education and training.
  Aikido.


7. Kurtz, Ron.
  Body-centered psychotherapy : the Hakomi method : the integrated use of
mindfulness, nonviolence, and the body/ Ron Kurtz.  Mendocino, CA : LifeRhythm,
c1990.  ii, 210 p. : ill. ; 22 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: RC489.M53 K88 1990
 
SUBJECTS:
  Mind and body therapies.

 
8. Olsen, Andrea.
  Bodystories : a guide to experiential anatomy / Andrea Olsen, in
collaboration with Caryn McHose.  Barrytown, N.Y. : Station Hill Press, c1991.
165 p. : ill. ; 29 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: QM23.2 .O38 1990
 
SUBJECTS:
  Human anatomy.
  Human anatomy--Problems, exercises, etc.
  Experiential learning.


9. Ornstein, Robert E. (Robert Evan), 1942-
  Healthy pleasures / Robert Ornstein and David Sobel.  Reading, Mass. :
Addison-Wesley, c1989.  xiv, 301 p. ; 22 cm.
 
LC CALL NUMBER: RA776 .O76 1989
 
SUBJECTS:
  Health.
  Pleasure principle (Psychology)
 



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From tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman) Thu Aug  4 16:42:05 EDT 1994
From: tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Book recomendations.....?
Date: 3 Aug 1994 05:44:48 GMT
Organization: Acupressure Institute
Message-ID: 
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In article <31lfeq$5do@illuminati.io.com>, sean@io.com (neuromancer) wrote:

>         Hello all, I'm fairly new to these parts of the net, and was 
> wondering if anyone could recomend any Massage books, spefically those 
> dealing with some of the oriental forms...any help is appreciated, thanks!
> 
> 
> --
> Sean Gomez
> 97smg@wheatonma.edu
> sean@io.com
> 
> White magic is Poetry....
> Black Magic is anything that Works.
>         (Author Unknown)



Sean:

There are several books on the market that cover an oriental approach to
massage and bodywork.  It just depends how endepth you wish to go.  Here
are a few to get you started:
    
    The Joy of Feeling, Bodymind Acupressuer - by Iona Teeguarden
    Do-It-Yourself Shiatsu - by Wataru Ohashi
    Massage the Oriental Method - by Katsusuke Serizawa, MD

There are many more, but these will start you out on your path of
discovery and education.  Check 'em out.  Afterwards, if you still want
more, contact me via my E-mail address.  Good luck!

TNT


From sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br (Eric Mitchell Sabinson) Mon Sep 19 15:53:41 EDT 1994
From: sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br (Eric Mitchell Sabinson)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Scoliosis
Date: 19 Sep 1994 12:39:46 -0500
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
Message-ID: <199409181920.QAA20963@ccsun.unicamp.br>

> elijay@ix.netcom.com (John Manning)
> Scoliosis

> My wife suffers from scoliosis.  Does anybody know of any backrub
> techniques that couod help her relieve her pain?

     Your wife may need to learn how to stretch.  I think that stretching
does a better job of relieving pain and tension than massage does when one
has a chronic condition like a scoliosis.  Stretching also increases
mobility and prevents the scoliosis from getting worse.  The stretching
itself may be very uncomfortable at first because your wife will not be
able to get very far, and then yes, you can gently massage the muscles that
are being stretched so that she can handle the discomfort.  She will be
able to tell you what will not give.  (In stretching, _nothing_ should be
forced.  Everything is done _very_ slowly.  One moves to the edge of a pull
and then one waits breathing into the pull before one moves on.)
     As I no longer live in the US of A, I have no particular
recommendation as to whom one can work with to advise on what kind of
stretching exercises would be best for your wife.  There is a list of
addresses for alternative 'structural' therapies in Mary Bond's _Rolfing
Movement Integration, A Self-Help Approach to Balancing the Body_, a book I
highly recommend to anyone who has "posture" difficulties.  (Rochester,
Vermont: Healing Arts Press, 1993.)  Here in Brazil, I have worked for the
last five years with a physical therapist specialized in Souchard
Methodology for structural realignment, "Reeducation Posturale Globale
[RPG]," out of France.  (I do not think there are any specialists in the US
of A in RPG, just as I have never heard of anyone doing Alexander Technique
or Hellerwork here in Brazil.  Nor is Feldenkrais or Rolfing common here,
but RPG is.)  It has been a long haul, but my spine is no longer twisted in
such a way that there was no sense of vertebrae in the middle of my back.
My shoulders are now more or less level.  Despite the scoliosis, my spine
is now healthier and my back more flexible than that of those around me.  I
am fairly good at figuring out what I need to stretch and inventing
something for the occasion without hurting myself, but there is still a
great deal for me to free up.
     Here is a trick that sometimes works for back tension.  While lying on
the floor place a tennis or small rubber ball below a scapula towards the
spine but not on the spine!  (The ball must not be placed on the spine.)
The feet should be planted on the floor so as to maintain contact of the
lumbar region with the ground.  After ten minutes of sensing the ball
entering one's back, switch the ball to just below the other scapula, but
before doing so, compare the side which had the tennis ball to the side
that didn't.  As I have a compensated scoliosis, my principal exercise is
to lie on the floor with all the vertebrae against it, the hips rotated
upwards to be able to do this, and the soles of the feet against each other
(the RPG "frog" position).  I relax in this position for about ten minutes.
Then I slowly extend my legs keeping my feet together.   Half way into the
extension, I place heel to heel and big toe to big toe without letting the
feet slope off, maintaining the rotation of the hip so that I do not arch
my back.  This, if done properly, will pull the entire spine and correct
the rotation of leg muscles.  It is not easy to relax into this stretch.
It takes up to a half an hour for me to complete the position without
forcing anything, and years to learn how to do this properly.
     
> Also she is considering going under the knife to get her curve
> straighened.

     I hope you do find someone who can direct a rebalancing or
realignment.  IMO, to have the spine fused as a correction to a scoliosis,
especially if the scoliosis has remained stable over a period of time,
represents a kind of despair.  I don't understand why someone losing
mobility would take refuge from pain by giving up more mobility.  Just
because one thinks one is losing the game is no reason to throw it, unless
one is not going to take any other measure.  The more one is able to move,
the freer one feels, the less pain or tension there is, unless one has a
pinched nerve, slipped disk, a contusion or distended muscle, and then
conservative medical treatment is what is called for at first.  (Where I
live no one would think of undergoing the knife merely because one is
liable to die of an infection produced by the surgery.)  Sometimes back
tension has nothing to do with the scoliosis.  Only a detailed interview
and examination with an experienced specialist in one of the methods listed
above can help distinguish whether the pain is due to the scoliosis or to
the way the body has come to cope with the scoliosis.
     The other way is not easy, but eventually becomes fun.  Besides an RPG
session every Tuesday, the most important aspect of my reeducation, I have
other activities nearly every evening to keep my spine healthy, Yoga
(Thursday), Tai Chi Chuan (Monday, Wednesday and Sunday), Step and a gym-
style stretching class (Friday), RPG (Tuesday) and a 'localized' class
every other Saturday morning.  I walk everywhere I can, preferably
barefoot.  I have also studied Qi Gong, meditation and shiatsu.  If I am
rather zealous about this stuff now, I wasn't always this way.  It took me
years to work up to all these activities, but most any one should help.
(Only recently have I been studying yoga.  Tai Chi Chuan, depending on the
instructor, is much more conservative, by which I mean there is less of a
chance of aggravating the scoliosis than there is in Yoga.  I would stay
away from lifting, especially at the beginning so as not to make matters
worse.  Eventually someone with a scoliosis might want to build muscle
exactly where there is less muscle.)

ERIC

Eric Mitchell Sabinson    | Reversal is the movement of the Way;
IEL/UNICAMP               | Weakness is the usage of the Way.
sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br |
sabinson@ccvax.unicamp.br | All creatures under heaven are born from being;
sabinson@iel.unicamp.br   | Being is born from nonbeing.
CCVAX::SABINSON           | -- Tao Te Ching (tr. Victor H. Mair)


From dakine391@aol.com (Da Kine391) Wed Oct 12 08:13:52 EDT 1994
From: dakine391@aol.com (Da Kine391)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: I am *KNOT* enjoying this!!!!
Date: 11 Oct 1994 03:39:04 -0400
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In article <32gtcs$i9e@nermal.cs.uoguelph.ca>, kmcgahey@uoguelph.ca (Keith
E McGahey) writes:

I am a strctural integration practitioner (also known as rolfing). What I
do to get rid of the "knots", and what I recommend to my clients is to get
Bikram Choudhury's book, "Bikram's Beginning Yoga Class", 1978, Jeremy
Tarcher Publishing. He Has 26 postures that you do in aspecific order. He
gives excellent instructions; you can do this from the book. The series
systematically opens the joints without pulling or straing your structure.
It serously works to relieve those knots.

Check it out. Tell me how it works for you.

Kenneth Paolini


From kyee@nano.mit.edu Tue Oct 25 09:52:51 EDT 1994
From: kyee@caesar.mit.edu (Kenneth Yee)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Self Massage Book
Date: 24 Oct 1994 19:53:22 GMT
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I picked up this book a little while ago, and I agree that it is beautifully
photograph.  I haven't had too much of a chance to really go through
all of the self-massage stuff, but I did note that two of the things that are
recommended (with respect to back "massages") was something that
I've done in kundalini yoga, called the cat-cow.

The idea is to get down on your hands and knees, with the shoulders
above the hands, and while inhaling, lift the head up, and arch the back
down towards the floor.  This pose is the cow.

The cat pose is to exhale, arch the back up, and move the head down, chin
towards the chest.

These poses should be done in rhythm to one's inhaling and exhaling and
supposedly it helps to visualize the flow of breath up and down the spine.
These are "yogic" breaths, so they should be full breaths, not shallow top-
of-the chest breaths.

In going from one pose to the other, the hips should *not* move back
and forth, but the pelvis should be rotating with each pose, according
to what the back is doing and one should alternate these poses in rhythm
to one's breath for several minutes or so.

I actually think that this exercise has helped to strengthen my ever aching
back.  Another exercise that I liked because it seemed to take all of the
pressure off of my lower spine is to sit on one's knees, and position one's
self with the forehead on the floor (or on a pillow), and the arms pointing
back.  I haven't done this one for any length of time, though.

Neat book, I like it.

Ken


In article <379sd8$35u@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca> jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein) writes:
> 	I was intrigued by a massage book I saw today.  Has anyone
> else seen _The Modern Book of Massage_ by Anne Kent Rush (ISBN 0 440
> 50545-3)?  It seems to consist mostly of self-massage techniques and
> some two person stretchiing/massage stuff.  It is certainly a stylish
> book consisting of opposite pages of text and black and white
> photographs. 
> -- 
> Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'
>                                          `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From footc@aol.com (Foot C) Tue Oct 25 15:05:34 EDT 1994
From: footc@aol.com (Foot C)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Reflexology
Date: 24 Oct 1994 20:39:02 -0400
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In article <38go3p$350@solaris.cc.vt.edu>, coop@vt.edu (Bulldog) writes:

>Could someone please post a detailed article on reflexology?  It sounds
>really interesting.  Thanks!

Sure. We've done five books on it. What would you like? Something general
or did you have something specific in mind? Self help? 

Kevin Kunz   Reflexology Research-"All acts of life both conscious and
unconscious are reflexes." IM Sechenov- 
                     1829-1905- Pavlov's teacher


From tnt@onramp.net Sun Nov  6 08:28:17 EST 1994
From: tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Massage for Back Pain?
Date: 6 Nov 1994 05:51:47 GMT
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In article <39dhr6$6ij@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert
Miller) wrote:

> Can anyone suggest massage technique or book cite which describes
> good massage for back pain relief? Please respond via E Mail.

You might want to check out a book entilted: Awareness Through Movement -
by Moshe Feldenkrais.  It talks about the Feldenkrais Method, as well as
describing how and why humans function and dysfunction, which often leeds
to pain.  He also takes you through 12 lessons (or exercises) which will
teach you how to move properly.

Another book is: Back in Shape, A Back Owner's Manual - by Stephen
Hochschuler, M.D., of the Texas Back Institute.  I hope this info helps.

TNT


From nancyl@universe.digex.net (Nancy Lebovitz) Mon Nov  7 14:39:21 EST 1994
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Check out Feldenkrais exercises--they're a way of changing habits of
movement/tension which can (among other things) lead to back pain.

My favorite book of them is _Somatics_ by Thomas Hanna, but I'd
be interested in other book recommendations.

My only caveats is that the directions have to be followed with
pretty good precision--including the parts about resting between
sets of movements and I find the exercises hard to get around t.,

The exercises can work quite magically when I do get around to
them, though.

Nancy Lebovitz 

P.S. There are also Feldenkrais practitioners....I haven't been
to any, but I'd assume that they can accomplish even more than
using the books can. 





From jamie@uwo.ca Sun Nov 20 15:44:25 EST 1994
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From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Foot Reflexology Book
Date: 20 Nov 1994 19:45:37 GMT
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Summary: Feet First: a guide to foot reflexology by L. Norman with T. Cowan
Keywords: reflexology book review query
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

	I saw an interesting book in the library the other day.  Does
anyone else have  _Feet First: a guide to foot reflexology_ by Laura
Norman with Thomas Cowan?  It is (c) 1988 by Laura Norman, a Fireside
book published by Simon & Schuster with ISBN 0-671-63412-7 (pbk).
	As much as I disliked the writing style I found lots of useful
information in the book.  I'm sure that if I was ever going to take up
relexolgy I would read the entire book.  As it is I'm using some notes
I made from it to update the Reflexology part of the FAQL.
-- 
Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From lesterd@aol.com (LesterD) Mon Nov 21 21:44:15 EST 1994
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From: lesterd@aol.com (LesterD)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Foot Reflexology Book
Date: 21 Nov 1994 19:05:30 -0500
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In article <3ao911$g5c@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>, jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
writes:

>I saw an interesting book in the library the other day.  Does
anyone else have  _Feet First: a guide to foot reflexology_ by Laura
Norman with Thomas Cowan?  It is (c) 1988 by Laura Norman, a Fireside
book published by Simon & Schuster with ISBN 0-671-63412-7 (pbk).
 As much as I disliked the writing style I found lots of useful
information in the book.  I'm sure that if I was ever going to take up
relexolgy I would read the entire book.  As it is I'm using some notes
I made from it to update the Reflexology part of the FAQL.
<

I took a reflexology course as part of my massage training and enjoyed it
very much. While I can not nor do not call myself a reflexologist I have
incorporated a lot of the technique into my practice. I had the book
"Reflexolgy Today by Doreen Bayly" and had been doing some reflexologuy on
friends, but I got more out of the class than I ever did from the book. Of
course it depends on how one learns, but I recommend at least an
introductory course.


From lesterd@aol.com (LesterD) Mon Nov 21 21:44:44 EST 1994
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From: lesterd@aol.com (LesterD)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Backrub Books recommendations wanted
Date: 21 Nov 1994 19:20:24 -0500
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In article <3apm0d$ioe@geraldo.cc.utexas.edu>, Juggler
 writes:

>I'm looking for some recommendations for good books on backrubs. I've
really gotten into giving backrubs and do a very good job, but there is
always room for improvement. If there is a good book or books out there
on backrubs (including oils and other related subjects) that people could
recommend, it would be appreciated. Thanks.
<

If your just looking to make a friend or loved one feel good consider the
book:

Pampering Your Partner
by Penny Rich
ISBN 0-671-69526
$13.95

This book covers basic massage strokes, how to use the various scents
(aromatheraphy) and other subjects like giving baths.

Otherwise I recommend taking at least a weekend introduction massage
course. It's important to learn how to use your own body so you don't get
hurt giving a massage


From tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman) Tue Nov 22 08:00:25 EST 1994
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From: tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: Foot Reflexology Book
Date: 22 Nov 1994 05:17:58 GMT
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In article <3ao911$g5c@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>, jamie@uwo.ca wrote:

>         I saw an interesting book in the library the other day.  Does
> anyone else have  _Feet First: a guide to foot reflexology_ by Laura
> Norman with Thomas Cowan?  It is (c) 1988 by Laura Norman, a Fireside
> book published by Simon & Schuster with ISBN 0-671-63412-7 (pbk).
>         As much as I disliked the writing style I found lots of useful
> information in the book.  I'm sure that if I was ever going to take up
> relexolgy I would read the entire book.  As it is I'm using some notes
> I made from it to update the Reflexology part of the FAQL.
> -- 
> Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'
.>                                          `*Rotating*
knives, yes.'


Jamie:

One of the best Foot Reflexology books I've seen is: The Guide to Foot
Reflexology - by Kunz & Kunz.  I covers preparation of hands, techniques,
etiology, clinical problem solving, and disorders that reflexology can
help. It's laid out nicely.  I use it in teaching my class in Foot
Reflexology.  Check it out.

TNT


From jrewing@netcom.com (John Ewing) Mon Aug 23 19:26:38 EDT 1993
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Subject: Re: Could use some Tips on Giving Backrubs
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Daniel Snoek (dsnoek@terapin.com) wrote:
: Does anyone have any tips for a Beginner Backrubber?  What areas should I focus
: on?  What kind of hand motions should I use?  What works best for you?

: I tend to find it much easier to give a backrub in the shoulder area where you
: can hold onto the top of the shoulder with your fore-fingers while your thumbs
: do work...what techniques shoudl I use down lower on the back?  What muscles
: are best to work on?  What about the shoulders?

: Any help would be appreciated

Some suggestions that come to mind for learning massage are:

1)  Take a course in massage and learn first hand from an experienced
    practititioner/teacher.  This is the quickest and most effective
    way to learn, IMHO.

2)  Get regular massage from a massage practitioner.  This is one of the
    best ways to learn massage, short of taking a class in massage.  Of
    course, you have to stay awake: Concentrating on how the massage
    is being done is not as satisfying as just relaxing.  As a massage
    practitioner, I find that this is a good way for me to experience
    new styles of massage and integrate them into my personal style, if
    they seem effective.

3)  Read some good books on massage, such as

    "The Massage Book", by George Downing and Ann Kent Rush

    "The Theory and Practice of Massage", by Mark Beck

    "The Web that has no Weaver", by Ted Kaptchuk

    "Your Healing Hands", by Richard Gordon

    "The Anatomy Coloring Book", by Wynn Kapit and Lawrence M. Elson

4)  Take a course in human anatomy/physiology.  This is a great way
    to get a feel for where muscles connect and the directions that
    are good to massage.


Some suggestions on giving massage, once you've learned some basics are:

1)  Always ask the person you are about to work on what areas, if any,
    are bothering them.  Many massage practitioners, myself included,
    have a intake form for clients which helps to assess the clients
    health: They may have a condition for which massage is not
    indicated.  For non-professionals this is overkill, but the point
    is that when giving a massage you are entering into a dialog with the
    person being massaged.  Encourage them to tell you during the massage
    if the pressure is too light or too hard.  Encourage them to tell you
    if their body positioning becomes uncomfortable (many people seem to
    think that once the massage has begun they must endure whatever
    follows).  Listen to them with your ears *and* your hands.

2)  Avoid relying too much on your thumbs.  Many massage practitioners
    develop problems with their thumbs as a result of relying on them too
    much.  Of course, it is very difficult to massage without using
    your thumbs at all but you can be aware of times when the heel of
    your hand or your elbow or forearm will work just as well as your thumbs.

3)  Keep your wrists aligned with your forearms when applying significant
    pressure.  Just as thumbs are easy to injure, so are the wrists.
    Thera-putty is a good way to exercise your forearms and help keep your
    wrists healthy.

4)  Maintain good posture when giving a massage.  This can be difficult
    if you don't have a massage table.  If you do have a table, make
    sure the heigth of the table is set correctly for you.  If you don't
    have a table, I recommend massaging on the floor.

5)  Don't forget to breathe!  Full deep breaths keep you relaxed and
    energized as you give a massage.  It will also help you maintain
    good posture.

6)  When massaging, try to use your whole body to initiate a stroke.
    If you're using a massage table this is easier.  Bend your knees
    and/or move your hips to generate motion; don't rely on arm movements
    or arm strength alone.

7)  Remember that you're goal is to massage muscles.  There are many
    areas in the body that are poor candidates for deep pressure (e.g.
    behind the knees where there are nerve bundles and blood
    vessles, but virtually no muscles).

8)  Trust your intuition.  If you invent a new stroke or technique and it
    feels comfortable applying it, it probably feels comfortable to the
    person receiving it.  If you try a new motion and it feels awkward,
    it probably doesn't feel right to the person you're massaging either.


These are just a few suggestions off the top of my head.  Hope this helps!
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From rouilj@cs.umb.edu (John P. Rouillard) Mon Nov 28 10:54:07 EST 1994
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An LMT and I are looking at teaching a massage course via an adult ed
program. It will be a 4-6hr/week 3 month course for 12 people and we
are looking for good text books. We don't expect these people to go
out of there and get certified, but we would certainly like them to
have enough knowledge/background to be able to talk to an LMT
comfortably. One of the major problems we are having is with the
anotomical portion fo the course.

The way we are planning on teaching it is in two parts. Part 1 is
swedish/esalen/basic anatomy/function and part 2 is shiatsu.

For part 1, I would like to use Downing's book, but there is
insufficient anatomy/anatomical discussion which both of us feel
should be part of the course.

I can make up for that with another text. Having used Gray's anatomy,
I love it but using it (or Grays dissecting room companion) for a
beginner seems a bit overkill. I can easily see their getting caught
in details. Gray's is a greta reference book, but a lousy teaching
book.  I was also thinking of getting the anatomy coloring book, and
using that, but I would much rather find a book that covered both in
the massage context.

Also, we have a few LMT's/others who are saying to pass on the
anatomy, and just teach the strokes, and some landmarking as needed.
Frankly I think this is bullsh*t. I fail to see how you can teach
massage without having the giver understand/visualize what is being
worked on. Also without some basic anatomy, how do you direct people
to the proper landmarks? Comments?

Also I am not really happy with some of Downing's stroke explanations,
Some of the stroke explanations have information left out or
unstated. We can of course fill it in in class (hey that's what
teaching is about 8-)) but we would prefer to have the readings
complete.

Does anybody have any experience with teaching from the Liddel
(Lucinda??) book? Does anybody have an ISBN for it?

Also any other books people have had good luck teaching from?

I am afraid I am going to have to go to a readings in massage approach
as the LMT is doing in shiatsu, and having worked from readings in
previous classes, I really would prefer not to go that route.

				-- John
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From jamie@uwo.ca Mon Nov 28 10:54:20 EST 1994
Article: 4160 of alt.backrubs
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From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: Re: To anatomize, or not to anatomize (teaching massage)
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Summary: Downing's book has some illustrations by Anne Kent Rush (& ref source)
Keywords: anatomy book suggestion recommendation
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

In article <3bctmu$lgk@falcon.ccs.uwo.ca>, J. Blustein  wrote:
>	Below are some books I found in the archive.  The colouring

	I should have mentioned that _The Massage Book_ by George
Downing (illus. by Anne Kent Rush) has 11 pages of illustrations of
the muscles and bones of the body (superficial and deep layer), the
hands and feet.  Anne Kent Rush acknowledges the use of copyright
material from _Art Stduents' Anatomy_ by Edmond J. Farris (Dover
Publications Inc.) for those pages.
-- 
Jamie Blustein                                         `Did you say "knives"?'
                                         `*Rotating* knives, yes.'


From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) Wed Nov 30 21:46:50 EST 1994
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In addition to the anatomy books by Thompson and by Sieg and Adams that 
Jamie Blustein just reposted to info on I'll add the following:

Calais-Germain, Blandine.
  [Anatomie pour le mouvement. English]
  Anatomy of movement / Blandine Calais-Germain ; translated by Nicole 
  Commarmond ; edited by Stephen Anderson.  English language ed.  Seattle : 
 Eastland Press, c1993.  x, 289 p. : ill. ; 26 cm.
 "Originally published as Anatomie pour le mouvement, 1985.  Revised in 1991." 
 ISBN:  0939616173 : $28.50

This is an anatomy book written by a dancer. It is intended as an introductory 
text with an emphasis on basic human anatomy as it relates to external body
movement.  It's nicely illustrated (B&W drawings) and fills in a lot of the
conceptual territory missed by books that focus only on static anatomy in 
standard anatomical position.

While an understanding of basic anatomy and joint movement is helpful to
teaching and learning massage, it's also easy to get too focused on the
details as they appear in books and forget that a lot of anatomy is
available from palpation exercises. Practicing palpation focuses on the
idea that massage is a two-way sensory process and gets away from the
tactilely blind rote application of techniques. It's also very worth 
discussing the roles/impacts of massage on body awarreness and emotions.
(two possible books: Richard Strozzi Heckler: The Anatomy of Change;
Clyde Ford: Compassionate Touch) 

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From conrad@pipeline.com (Eric C. Groom) Tue Dec  6 10:09:20 EST 1994
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Subject: Re: Foot Massages?
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: >J. N. Amritha Decroos (drolrevo@is.dal.ca) wrote:
: >I want help with foot massages.  Any suggestions to proper technique 
: >etc.  My girlfriend likes them and I would really like any help you guys 
: >can give me.... thanx
: 
: ...pick up "The Reflexology Workout" (ISBN 0-517-56176-x)
: by Stephanie Rick / with illustrations by Rita Aero.
: It's a great book...
: 
: Happy massagin' / Conrad.


From lstark@winternet.com (Loren Stark) Thu Dec 15 12:11:05 EST 1994
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Christina Casado (jade@gate.net) wrote:
: I am a relative amateaur when it comes to massage therapy, given the fact 
: that I was never trained, licensed or any of that.. and since I don't 
: charge for backrubs I guess its OK.  But I feel that it is our duty as 
: members of this crazy species to make life a little better for each 
: other.. What better tools than MT/aromatherapy/herbs and things.  I've 
: been studying herbs and essential oils for seven years now; enough that I 
: became a plant biologist.  I think that no massage is complete without 
: the right accessories.  

: i make my own oils for Swedish MT, using sages, rosemary, and lavender 
: 	oils for pain treatment, and diff citrus, and mints for revitalizing,

: Better yet, ylang ylang, clove and some other good stuff is guarenteed in 
: a romantic situation...I'm going to try and market that one..

: I only use the remnants of the oil left on the body after Swedish for 
: some Shiatsu/point massage at the end of a session... Does that sound 
: right? 

: But I would like some feedback as to what other people ae using, and 
: share some ideas as to base oils, scents vs. thereapy value and 
: extracting oils from herbs.  

: if not, I could talk forever on the topic and I'd really like to listen 
: to someone now...:0 ;)
I would highly recommend the book "Aromatherapy Massage: The Complete 
Illustrated Guide To Massaging With Essential Oils" by Clare 
Maxwell-Hudson on Dorling Kindersley Book.  It is beautifully illustrated 
with extensive pictures of plants and talks about base oils.  A bargin 
hardcover book at $19.95.


From richardd@cix.compulink.co.uk (Richard
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Subject: Re: Massages for Scoliotic people
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> Your massage technique will depend on whether or not you have
> functional scoliosis or "true" scoliosis.  .... For a reference
> book - Soft Tissue Manipulation by Leon Shatow.

Good book, the name is actually Leon Chaitow, I believe.

Richard
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From lou2001@aol.com (Lou2001) Fri Dec 30 21:21:38 EST 1994
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From: lou2001@aol.com (Lou2001)
Newsgroups: alt.backrubs
Subject: REFLEXOLOGY--THE ULTIMATE RUB!!
Date: 28 Dec 1994 16:43:07 -0500
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When it comes to back rubs and massage, do not underestimate the power of
reflexology, or accupressure. An ancient eastern art, it can at the very
least be the best physical stress relieveing massage there is, and at the
most treat ailments from constipation to asthma and everything in between.


I have never found a simpler and better way to relieve stress in anyone
than reflexology. Chiropractors use it, proffesional massuse use it. It's
wonderful.

Check out these books(there are lots of books on the subject) if your
interested:

                     The Reflexology workout. (hand and foot massage for
super health and rejuvenation)   By Stephanie Rick. Published by Crown.

                      Accupressure's Potent points (A guide to self-care
for common ailments) by Micheal Reed Gach. Published by Bantam New Age.
 


From bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert Miller) Fri Dec 30 21:25:46 EST 1994
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In reading The Goodbye to Back Pain Book by Wheeler and Peterson, the 
authors describe a backmate devise to be used with an extreme stretch of 
hamstring muscles.You need a training partner for it. Basically the 
patient lies flat on his back and is strapped into backmate device so 
pelvis is stable. Training partner lifts his legs up 90 degrees 
perpendicular to body and pushes gently back for stretch, returns to 
starting position. This is repeated 8 times. Then for strengthening the 
training partner offers mild resistence while patient lets his legs 
slide down to partners knee level. Training partner brings them up for 8 
repetitions. Then the stretch cycle repeated 6 times. Does anyone have a 
backmate or know where it can be gotten? Has anyone tried this? These 
studies were conducted at West Point with good results in 
alievaiting back pain according to book. Any information on technique, 
where one can find authors and actual experience would be appreciated.



From keith.hopkins@ravnook.com (Keith Hopkins) Sun Jan  1 23:10:31 EST 1995
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Subject:  Re: Backrub Books recommendations wanted
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L><>I'm looking for some recommendations for good books on backrubs. I've
 ><<
I would like to recommend a great book that covers a wide expanse of
information on various techniques in massage therapies,"Hands On
Healing". I'm sorry but I can't remember the author.
This is one of the first books I read when I first became interested in
massage therapy 5 years ago. It describes many different styles of
massage and takes you thru each one as though it were your first time
receiving that massage technique as a client/patient. Enjoy!

 * QMPro 1.52 * No, Scotty. I said "Beam me aboard" not "Beam me a Ford"


From jamie@uwo.ca Mon Jan  2 15:05:12 EST 1995
Article: 4851 of alt.backrubs
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From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
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Subject: Re: Backrub Books recommendations wanted
Date: 2 Jan 1995 20:05:05 GMT
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Summary: review of _The Backrub Book_ Anne Kent Rush
Keywords: book massage pregnancy
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!

	I found a nifty book about backrubs in a used book store recently.
It is not the most complete book I've ever seen but it contains about as
much information as I've gleaned from years of reading alt.backrubs.  
	It is illustrated with Anne Kent Rush's line drawings, lots of
canned strokes, suggestions for developing new strokes, information about
`oils, herbs & exotics', erotic backrubs, etc.  There is also a chapter
about pregnancy and infant massage.

Reference:
   AUTHOR:    Anne Kent Rush
   TITLE:     The Back Rub Book: How To give and Receive great BackRubs 
   PUBLISHER: Vintage, July 1989
   ISBN:      0-394-75962-1 (pbk)
-- 
Jamie Blustein                                                    
    Answers to questions frequently asked in alt.backrubs are available via
    anonymous FTP from rtfm.mit.edu in pub/usenet-by-group/alt.backrubs/faq
           (ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/alt.backrubs/faq)


From David Broadhurst  Wed Jan  4 08:40:04 EST 1995
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