From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) Thu May 26 20:10:18 EDT 1994
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From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
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Subject: Re: Lower Back Pain Question
Date: 26 May 1994 13:15:10 -0700
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In article <2s20s9$jqr@mercury.dur.ac.uk>, A.E.Thornley@durham.ac.uk writes:
|> Hi,
|>
|> A query,
|>
|> As I get older I'm noticing that I often get back pain where my
|> spine feels like it is too concave...too bent in towards my stomach.
|> This is the opposite to the back pain most people I've talked to
|> get. It makes lying on my front and thus receiving backrubs
|> uncomfortable :( although I can get around the problem by using a lot
|> of pillows under my stomach or by curling up.
|>
|> My real question is whether I should be doing somethimg about it.
|> The problem occurs when I have to sit down all day or stand up for
|> long periods. ie I can normally avoid it. It has come to my attention
|> over the last 3 years (I'm 24 now) and certainly never bothered me
|> in my teens. Is it going to get worse?
|>
Finding that pressure applied to your lower back when lying on your
front (prone) isn't uncommon. Having too much concave curvature of
the lower spine (hyperlordosis) can be caused by a combination of too
short (or spasmed) hip flexors (iliopsoas and quadriceps) and too weak
abdominal muscles. There are stretches and massage techniques (trigger
point, passive stretching, PNF or Muscle Energy Technique) to lengthen
and relax the hip flexors. Bent-leg crunches help to strengthen the
abdominals.
Muscles tend to shorten to the range of motion over which they are used.
Long hours of sitting means long hours with the hips flexed and the hip
flexors shortened (approximated). They tendency, unless you stretch,
is for the hip flexors to become chronically shortened. This is a
fairly common source of low back pain. It helps if you can break up long
periods of sitting with short periods of stretching.
Stretches for the hip flexors extend the hip, moving your leg behind you
from the hip. Hip extensions done with the knee bent preferentially
stretch the rectus femoris (a quadricep) because it crosses both the hip
and the knee joints. Hip extensions with the knee straight stretch the
iliopsoas more, because the rectus femoris is relaxed and not limiting the
stretch.
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From jcole@wang.com (John Cole) Tue May 31 11:22:22 EDT 1994
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Subject: Re: Lower Back Pain Question
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Date: Tue, 31 May 1994 13:35:31 GMT
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rip@sequent.com (Paul T Taylor) writes:
>In article <2s20s9$jqr@mercury.dur.ac.uk> A.E.Thornley@durham.ac.uk writes:
>>As I get older I'm noticing that I often get back pain where my
>>spine feels like it is too concave...too bent in towards my stomach.
>>This is the opposite to the back pain most people I've talked to
>>get. It makes lying on my front and thus receiving backrubs
>>uncomfortable :( although I can get around the problem by using a lot
>>of pillows under my stomach or by curling up.
>>
>>My real question is whether I should be doing somethimg about it.
>>The problem occurs when I have to sit down all day or stand up for
>>long periods. ie I can normally avoid it. It has come to my attention
>>over the last 3 years (I'm 24 now) and certainly never bothered me
>>in my teens. Is it going to get worse?
>> [ snip ]
>>Alice.
>You know something, I am starting to get the same problem as I get
>older, except I suspect it is because of my exercises, or the lack
>thereof. :-) Most of the people around here will tell you that strong
>abdominal muscles also help to support the back. I know sitting
>around all day at work is probably the worst thing you can do for your
>back. So if I might be so bold, what kind of exercises program do
>you do?
>One thing that I have noticed that is missing in this group, is the
>importance of exercises in the health of your back and other muscles.
>I've seen alot of people say they hurt a muscle during some type of
>vigorous activity. I wonder to myself if they took the time to warm
>up the muscles before they put the load on them. And if they took
>the time to stretch before and afterward. Just little things like
>that can go along way to preventing alot of the back pain we
>experience. Along with a good backrub of course!
>rip
In my experience, I also began to develop a sore back similar to that
mentioned by Alice. FWIW, it diminished after I began a regular
exercise program. Currently, I am walking about three miles a day
(played raquetball during the winter, as well as some weight training).
Stretching out helps, too, I think. Since paying more attention to
excercise, my range of motion seems to have improved. I will often
stretch out before/after giving a massage or two, as well!
Of course, there may be something else wrong in Alice's case -- but
think I would try moderate exercise (as Paul/rip suggests) in concert
with stretching before/after excercise. There is a good stretching
FAQ over in misc.fitness, by the bye.
John
P.S. My wife has back problems as well. She benefits a LOT from
massage and excercise. About three weeks ago, she received a Reiki
treatment of that area as well -- and noted that she hasn't felt
this good in a long time.
From richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik) Fri Jun 10 08:50:30 EDT 1994
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From: richard@octel.com (Richard Karasik)
Subject: Re: Lower Back Pain Question
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In article <27022NIAFUKFTXWWCRQ@inferno.com> sbow@inferno.com writes:
>
>On 05-26-1994, Internet: A.E.Thornley@Du blabbered something about: Lower Back P
>
>IA->As I get older I'm noticing that I often get back pain where my
>IA->spine feels like it is too concave...too bent in towards my stomach.
>IA->This is the opposite to the back pain most people I've talked to
>IA->get. It makes lying on my front and thus receiving backrubs
>IA->uncomfortable :( although I can get around the problem by using a lot
>IA->of pillows under my stomach or by curling up.
>
>Are you, by chance, over weight? I've been noticing a similar problem, but it
>only occurs once in a while, usually when I've been walking some distance
>(2 miles or more, and then not every time), or when I lie on my stomach. When
>I lie on my stomach, it only happens if I'm up on my elbows, or propped up on
>pillows or something to read (usually the Sunday comics. Gotta lie on the
>living room floor when reading the Sunday comics!)
>I am over weight myself (by about 50 pounds), and believe this is probably
>the cause of this pain.
>
Overweight is a simplistic approach to a complex problem. A complete analysis
is always needed - if it comes back hmm I dunno -maybe soft tissue damage
IE no bone spurs no extr stuff or broken bones - then there are
several approaches of which weight modification may be one vector
The concavity you describe is fairly common and called lordosis -when you say "opposite"
what do you mean. In lordosis many things are affected, but mostly the soft tissues all
pull askew -ie the myofascial sheaths are all pulled in strange directions
non of which shows up on xrays. You may notice that you also stand with you pelvis
tipped forward, knees locked and your feet sort of pointing away from each other
rather than straight in front of you. You may also notice your knees
facing away from each other. A large component of this "architecture"
is the transverse myofascial sheaths at the pelvis and the diaphragm and
how they pull at each other.
Also part of this body type is extraordinarily tight psoas muscles which are interior
muscles running from anterior lumbar spine to the ileum. If you lie
on your back and pull one leg up so as to try to touch the knee to your chest and the other
leg is lying flat then you have no psoas problem. If however when you do that stretch and
the flatleg starts to come off the floor such that you can slide a hand under the thigh
then you most likely do have a problem with the psoas.
etc etc -so it aint just weight -go get yourself looked at by a professional.
rule out structure deformities and then go from there.
RIchard
are speaking about is one that is frau
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From Steve_Sirianni@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Sirianni) Mon Jul 18 07:22:45 EDT 1994
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From: Steve_Sirianni@mindlink.bc.ca (Steve Sirianni)
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Subject: Re: Be Your Own Chiropractor
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 94 23:53:31 -0700 (PDT)
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It scares me to think that some people would take advice like yours. I`m
sorry to say that some of your sugestions could be very harmful.Some people
could be playing with fire. It is possible to die from a improperly made
adjustment! the neck area can be especially critical. The idea of hanging
from any devise from your arms is very scary for your shoulders. Proper
traction on your neck or back would never be done like this.People can
relieve some minor pain but no one should do any radical hanging or
adjustment without first consulting with a Chiropractor.I think I would be
a little more careful in giving advise in the future.P.S. I can back up
what I say. My best friend is a Chiropractor and I have discussed it with
him.
Good luck...STEVE
From tline@iac.net (Tom Line) Sun Jul 17 08:56:16 EDT 1994
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From: tline@iac.net (Tom Line)
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Subject: Be Your Own Chiropractor
Date: 17 Jul 1994 05:15:17 -0400
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I recieved so many request to check out the text file that I
mentioned in a post here. Rather than send out 20 Email text files a
week I though it might be interesting to post the text file here. It
gives a few opinionated pointers on how to help relieve and prevent
certain types of stiff backs and necks.
If you don't like it, tell me why, and if you have any
suggestions to ad or changes please let me know so that it may evolve to
be more helpful.
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TEXT FILE FOLOWS
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How to be your own Chiropractor
by THE FOLICALLY CHALLENGED WHITE DUDE at Damage Inc.
Tom Line
tline@iac.net
Cyber BBS 513-863-0447
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Notice Use at your own risk. I am not a doctor and attempt only
to describe some techniques which have been helpful to me
personally. If you cripple yourself accept responsiblity
for it. When in doubt see a chiropractor. They do great stuff.
Your problem may be more serious and the following exercises
may cause more problems.
**********************************************************************
Problem: Computer Neck, also know as Military Neck.
Cause: Sitting in a cheap chair while using a computer.
CHEAP CHAIR
BackGround:
A "Cheap Chair" causes strain on the neck when the top of the
chair-back leans back too far. If you lean back in the chair and
your face is 1.Pointed at the ceiling, or 2.Too far to see the moinitor,
then you have a cheap chair. A good chair should have lots of right angles
while a cheap chair is for watching TV and slouching in.
Go to an office supply house and get a real chair. Don't spend
over a hundred bucks, but it will be the best investment you can make
since a sore neck affects all the rest of your life. Look for one with
a adjustable height lever on the side, a back, and arms. Don't buy a used
one because it was probably put on the market to keep some cheap ass company
from spending more money on workers compensation claims due to bad chair
design.
Helpful exercises:
SHOULDERS
Sitting or standing, point your arms strait up into the air then
move them to point behind you and outwards. This will make your shoulders
crack.
NECK CRACK
Sitting or standing, relax your neck, slowly letting it fall back
wards, slowly, slowly, CRACK! Try letting it slowly fall forwards, or
to the sides too SLOWLY. Moving around a sore neck to much will make it
worse!
Sitting or standing, shrug your shoulders backwards and together.
Crunch!
Middle Back Pain and lower back pain:
CAR SEAT
Sitting in a well designed chair that swivels, or on the seat
of your car, rotate your shoulders with your torso from side to side.
Crack.
MONKEY BARS
Go to the park, hang with your hands from the moneky bars over your head
taking the weight off your legs so you feet don't touch the ground. Release
and return CAREFULLY to the ground. Do this regularily. This is helpfull
for many conditions but works slowly. Be carefull when returning to the
ground. Bend your knees considerably when landing to absorb shock and
prevent further damage to your back. This is my favorite but should be
done regularily and be very carefull when letting yourself back down from
hanging.
SWINGERS
While you're at the park, try the swings. They are very good for your
back and kind of fun too. The swings that are made of pieces of rubber
that grip your butt are better than the old wooden ones. Great exercise.
STEPS
Go to some steps. Carpeted is best. Sit near the bottom of the steps.
Lay back against the steps and relax. Experiment.
WALK
Go for a walk. Take long steps with your torso turned to one side or the
the other. Experiment. If it hurts more one way than the other. Do it the
way that hurts the least. These exercises SHOULD NOT HURT if THE EXERCISE
HURTS, DO NOT DO THAT EXERCISE! Proper chirporactic exercise should feel
relief, not pain!
STAIRS
Find a staircase you can get underneath and hang by your arms taking the
weight off your back and relax. This works like monkey bars. Helps lower
back pain.
BATHTUB
Find a bathtub. If it has a shower door rack on the rim, put a soft towel
over it. Stand on the bathroom floor with your back to the tub. Bend
your knees and do a deep knee bend with your back barely touching the
side of the bathtub, then slowly lean backwards with your lower back
pressing against the top/side of the tub. Put your hands behind you on the
tub floor if necessary and slowly bend your spin backwards. Maybe turn
your head from side to side.
BICYCLE
Get a bicycle and go for a short ride regularily, every day up and down
the street is great. This is a great preventative for the back and an
outstanding cardiovascular exercise. Exercise should raise the heart beat
SLIGHTLY for a prolonged period of time. Running isn't aerobic exercise,
while fast walking is. Avoid exercises that are hard on the joints, like
running.
Deterimine what causes your pain and remedy it if possible. Don't be
embarassed to do brief calestenics before lifting a heavy object or doing
heavy work. Ten million Chinese can't be wrong!
Middle Back Pain. Get somebody to pick you up from behind, have your
arms crossed across your chest first like a dead guy. Have them pick you
up from behind then quickly drop you and jerk you back up very slightly.
Lower Back Pain. Try laying on the floor, with a large pillow to support
your head while you watch TV. Take a very small pillow and put underneath
your lower back while you lay there.
Sleeping causing you pain?
Try a different pillow. Too fat of one is bad as it bends the neck during
sleep. Try an old flat one before trying one of those high tech ones.
Don't be afraid to visit a chiropractor. They have done wonders for millions
of people. Beware that many will try to get you to come in 8 times a week
for the rest of your life. Don't be afraid to cancel an appointment. A
friend of mine had a sore back and her doctor recommended surgery. A friend
suggested another doctor who recommended a chiropractor who recognized that
one of her legs was much longer than the other (this is very common) and
adjusted her back for a couple weeks and had her get special shoes. Her pain
went away and no surgery was required.
Going to a chiropractor will help you realize the ways he or she helps the
problem that you may be able to do yourself.
Some folks go to a (non-sexual) massage place and for less money have
better results than a chiropractor. Don't knock something you haven't
tried. Chiropractors make their money on prolonged visitors, so you
shouldn't be afraid to cancel appointments and go less than they suggest.
Find what works for you. Find an old established chiropractor. The one's
that advertise on TV are often fly-by-night outfits.
A regular doctor can give you pills but that won't make the pain go away
will it really. He can also send you to a surgeon who will recommend
surgery. Try a chiropractor FIRST before surgery. Some surgery is a fucking
racket. The dangers of sugery are very understated by surgeons and
hospitals.
So start living without pain. Recognize what you can do, and get help from
a reputable chiropractor if you can't figure it out and correct it
completely with a new chair or whatever.
Good luck.
The Folically Challenged White Dude
Damage.Inc.Ohio
April 1994
From video@indirect.com (Video Learn) Wed Jul 20 08:12:54 EDT 1994
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There's a very popular video that's in all the mail order catalogs
entitled "Say Goodbye To Backpain". It's based on the YMCA "Healthy Back
Program" that's offered worldwide. If anyone wants information on this
tape you can check with your local YMCA or e-mail video@indirect.com for
further information.
From tmasters@pipeline.com (Ari Gerstin) Thu Aug 4 20:00:11 EDT 1994
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From: tmasters@pipeline.com (Ari Gerstin)
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Recently at a backrub session with my masseuse in New York
City I was introduced to a weight loss program to reduce the
stress on my lower back. It seems my excess weight was causing
great strain to my overall skeletal disposition and I needed to
lose weight!
Through this safe natural program I lost 20 pounds in one
month with no effort at all. I am no longer getting backrubs
out of need but instead out of pleasure and I LOVE BACKRUBS now
even more! I no longer have pain and my life has changed. I
am convinced that I should get the word out to help other
NetSurfers experience such pleasure. I would be glad to give
you the info.
:-)
From A.E.Thornley@durham.ac.uk Mon May 30 10:00:48 EDT 1994
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From: A.E.Thornley@durham.ac.uk
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Subject: Re: Lower Back Pain Question
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In article <27022NIAFUKFTXWWCRQ@inferno.com>, sbow@inferno.com writes:
|>
|> On 05-26-1994, Internet: A.E.Thornley@Du blabbered something about: Lower Back P
|>
|> IA->As I get older I'm noticing that I often get back pain where my
|> IA->spine feels like it is too concave...too bent in towards my stomach.
|> IA->This is the opposite to the back pain most people I've talked to
|> IA->get. It makes lying on my front and thus receiving backrubs
|> IA->uncomfortable :( although I can get around the problem by using a lot
|> IA->of pillows under my stomach or by curling up.
|>
|> Are you, by chance, over weight? I've been noticing a similar problem, but it
|> only occurs once in a while, usually when I've been walking some distance
|> (2 miles or more, and then not every time), or when I lie on my stomach. When
|> I lie on my stomach, it only happens if I'm up on my elbows, or propped up on
|> pillows or something to read (usually the Sunday comics. Gotta lie on the
|> living room floor when reading the Sunday comics!)
|> I am over weight myself (by about 50 pounds), and believe this is probably
|> the cause of this pain.
|>
No...I'm one of those sickening people who has a body that naturally fits
the current skiny fashion:) Well...OK ...I'm not a super-twig^H^H^H^Hmodel
but you'd have problems describing me as overweight.
Yes lying on my stomach propped up my elbows really exacerbates the problem
but walking is fine. I only get real troubles when I have to sit in a
restricted position for a long time...eg travelling, or have to stand up but
relatively stationary...eg at a party.
Apart from these times the problem is 99% avoidable I just have to think
about it quite a lot more than I feel someone of my age should.
Alice.
From keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant) Thu Aug 4 16:41:43 EDT 1994
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From: keg@strathspey.llnl.gov (Keith Grant)
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Subject: Re: piriformis work?
Date: 2 Aug 1994 23:13:46 -0700
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In article <31n7hb$9tg@news.delphi.com> jshortes@news.delphi.com
(JSHORTESS@DELPHI.COM) writes:
>I've been experiencing some rather severe lower back pain lately, and
>my MT has suggested that she work on my piriformis. I'm not the world's
>expert on anatomy, but I don't see how one can get TO the piriformis -
>it's buried under the gluteus maximus, if I'm reading my muscular charts
>correctly. She said it's reached from the front, right next to the
>pubic bone. But then isn't the entire pelvis in the way? How do you
>apply enough pressure to do any good without damaging what's in the
>middle?
>
Sounds like either you or your therapist are combining or mixing up
two problem muscles. The prirformis is indeed under the Glutes. It
originates on the anterior sacrum, passes under the greater sciatic
notch, And inserts on the greater trochanter. Because inflammation of
the piriformis can result in pressure on the sciatic nerve,
inflammation of the piriformis ofter can produce symptoms similar to
sciatica (cf. When Sciatica is not disk disease, The Physician and
Sportsmedicine, vol 20, no. 10, Oct 1992, pp 105-115, or Personal
Health, The New York Times, Wednesday, Jan 12, 1994, p B7). The
piriformis is worked both directly,throught the glutes, and by
position the affected leg to obtain a stretch.
The other common low-back affecting muscle is the iliopsoas. The psoas
originates on the lumbar spine and inserts on the lesser trochanter of
the femur. The iliacus originates from the internal illiac fossa and
joins with the psoas. Simply, they are hip flexors. a spasmed or
chronically shortened iliopsoa can result in hyperlordosis (over
inward curvature of the lumbar spine) and lower back pain. The
Iliopsoas is often released (as in trigger point work) by pressure
applied from the abdomen or inner thigh.
>
>She asked if I was comfortable with her working in that area - she's
>a pretty good friend outside of our MT/client relationship, so I don't
>have a problem with whatever is necessary. She also warned me that it
>will be rather uncomfortable. Two questions (which I'd normally ask
>her, if it weren't for two schedules that absolutely refuse to coincide
>lately): just how "familiar" will be be getting, and just how much
>pain am I in for? I've never had any real deep tissue work done before.
Trigger point work on the inner thight from about 1-6 inches below the
hip bone (THIS ISN"T AN INSTRUCTION) is "familiar" enough for most
people that you want them to understand what you're doing and what
you're trying to accomplish before you work on them. Having someone
press deeply into your abdominal area is also something we don't
normally experience. In general, discomfort is the correct description
as compared to pain. If you're pressed past that uncomfortable but
feels beneficial point into pain, you'll start to tense up
protectively. That's counterproductive work. The closest analogy I can
think of is a serious exercise workout. It doesn't always feel great
while you're doing it but you feel wonderful when you're done (no, it
isn't just because you stopped doing something uncomfortable). Fig 5.4
of volume 2 of "The Trigger Point Manual" shows three iliopsoas trigger
points. (intentionally vague reference)
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In article <31nciq$in1@strathspey.llnl.gov>,
Keith Grant wrote:
>In article <31n7hb$9tg@news.delphi.com> jshortes@news.delphi.com
> (JSHORTESS@DELPHI.COM) writes:
...
>
>Trigger point work on the inner thight from about 1-6 inches below the
>hip bone (THIS ISN"T AN INSTRUCTION) is "familiar" enough for most
>people that you want them to understand what you're doing and what
>you're trying to accomplish before you work on them. Having someone
>press deeply into your abdominal area is also something we don't
>normally experience. In general, discomfort is the correct description
>as compared to pain. If you're pressed past that uncomfortable but
>feels beneficial point into pain, you'll start to tense up
>protectively. That's counterproductive work. The closest analogy I can
>think of is a serious exercise workout. It doesn't always feel great
>while you're doing it but you feel wonderful when you're done (no, it
>isn't just because you stopped doing something uncomfortable). Fig 5.4
>of volume 2 of "The Trigger Point Manual" shows three iliopsoas trigger
>points. (intentionally vague reference)
Hmm - I wonder if we are using trigger point in the same way. THere are
at least three uses I know, and If I read you correctly, rather than
Myofascial trigger
points, you are talking either accupressure, lymphatic or reflexolology
(great I probably missed the one you really mean)
I have always worked the psoas "directly" ie over the curve of the
hip about 4" above the symphisis pubis with the leg bent knee
in the air, plantar arch on the ground. once the pressure
point/trigger point etc is located the leg is gradually extended
while maintaining sole contact with the floor/table etc.
Is this what you are talking about or am I in left field?
RIchard
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cblack@maple.circa.ufl.edu wrote:
: I am a 17 yr old male w/ lower back pain that occasionally gets so bad*
: it makes me feel sick, a kind of semi-nausioussness in my throat.*
: I was wondering if anyone out there knew what could cause this and*
: what I should do, I used dto go to a physical thereapist but stopped*
: as it got expensive and av-med stopped covering it*
One thing that often helps back pain is something called Alexander
Technique - this is a form of therapy designed to produce correct
posture - a lot of back pain is caused or exacerbated by incorrect
posture when sitting and standing. While the best way is to
consult a specialist, there are books on it which can be used
to train yourself (it's helpful but not required to have someone
to watch while you try things). Hope this helps.
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From dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler) Mon Aug 8 15:31:52 EDT 1994
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From: dwheeler@twain.ucs.umass.edu (Diane M Wheeler)
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A Adams (csc8aaa@leeds.ac.uk) wrote:
: cblack@maple.circa.ufl.edu wrote:
: : I am a 17 yr old male w/ lower back pain that occasionally gets so bad*
: : it makes me feel sick, a kind of semi-nausioussness in my throat.*
: : I was wondering if anyone out there knew what could cause this and*
: : what I should do, I used dto go to a physical thereapist but stopped*
: : as it got expensive and av-med stopped covering it*
: One thing that often helps back pain is something called Alexander
: Technique - this is a form of therapy designed to produce correct
: posture - a lot of back pain is caused or exacerbated by incorrect
: posture when sitting and standing. While the best way is to
: consult a specialist, there are books on it which can be used
: to train yourself (it's helpful but not required to have someone
: to watch while you try things). Hope this helps.
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If you are having nausua, chances are the vagus (sp?) nerve is having
pressure put on it due to inflammation in your back. Have you seen a
chiropractor? You may need an adjustment and exercise to strengthen your
back to help keep it in alignment. Unfortuneatley, treatments do cost
money so it comes down to a question of what is important. A number of
chiropractors do take health insurance - if you or your parents have you
covered under their policy, you may want to look into it.
Diane
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In article <31vb8dINN76d@no-names.nerdc.ufl.edu>, cblack@maple.circa.ufl.edu writes:
|> I am a 17 yr old male w/ lower back pain that occasionally gets so bad*
|> it makes me feel sick, a kind of semi-nausioussness in my throat.*
|> I was wondering if anyone out there knew what could cause this and*
|> what I should do, I used dto go to a physical thereapist but stopped*
|> as it got expensive and av-med stopped covering it*
Surely the PT must have had some idea of what it was. Did they discuss
this with you ?
What sort of treatment did the PT give you and did it help at all ?
Lower back pain can be caused by many things, but I have never heard
of it being related to nausea.
Personally I'd consider some sort of holistic approach like Reflexology
or Shiatsu, these can be very effective diagnostic tools.
=Adrian
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writes:
My son had the same problem. After many trips to the doctor and
chiropractor,
x-rays, pain pills, etc, he went to a sports health clinic. They gave him
a set of exercises to do, and the lower back problems disappeared in a few
weeks.
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>esimpson@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes:
>I've recently experimented with a couple friends with relaxation and
>visualization exercises before and after a massage. The results were
>quite encouraging to say the least.
>
>Have any of you ever tried exercises like this? If so, what kind
>of results did you get?
>Eric
>---------
I've used guided visualization techniques along with massage (before, during &
after) to train clients to relax and align themselves on their own. The
massage and alignment are used as a "teaching tools" that gives them an
experience of the muscles in both the "before" and "after" condition and their
bodies properly balanced.
Results have been good (sometimes amazing!) Depends on the client's commitment
to practicing the techniques. Like anything else, tools don't work if you
don't use them. What I particularly like about this combination is that it
gives clients control over chronic tension and other relatively unexplained
chronic back-pain producers with no negative side effects.
The down side is that it takes multiple sessions to teach and is not as
convenient to use as muscle-relaxing drugs.
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> I have a series of these hard spots just underneath the inner edge of
> oneof my shoulder blades resulting from a torn muscle from a year and a
> half ago.I've found that direct, pointed pressure as found in some
> intense shiatsuand accupressure helps release these points to ease the
> pain. UnfortunatelyI rarely have time to find anyone to work on me.
> Can anyone suggest anythingI might be able to try by myself to ease (or
> hopefully eliminate) thischronic pain?
I would get the book mentioned below, and buy a medium sized bodo and a
crook from the Bonnie Prudden people. It worked well for my repetitive
strain injury which was largely muscle based, and I also use it if I get
back pain, as a preventative measure (I once had quite serious back pain).
Here is the quote from a document I wrote:
Another possibility is to get trigger point therapy, also known as
myotherapy. Trigger points are irritable parts of muscle that cause
muscle spasm and pain; the therapy is to press hard on the trigger
points, reducing the pain elsewhere, then massage and stretch the relevant
muscle. This has helped a number of RSI sufferers; it is complementary
to AMT physiotherapy, since it addresses muscles rather than nerves.
I suspect that there is some overlap with AMT-style physiotherapy, since
the approach used in mobilising the spine is not that different to
trigger point therapy. Some physiotherapists do trigger point therapy
as an additional technique (some inject the points, which does NOT
appear to be a great technique); also, non-physios do trigger point
therapy, in particular Certified Bonnie Prudden Myotherapists (CBPMs),
who operate largely in the US and have stringent certification standards.
I have had good results from myotherapy; call Bonnie Prudden Inc on
+1 (602) 529 3979 for details of therapists in the US, and for videos,
massage tools, etc. One of the key points is that you can treat yourself
whenever necessary, which vastly increases the number of treatment hours
per week and should speed your recovery.
The book to get is:
Pain Erasure - The Bonnie Prudden Way, by Bonnie Prudden
(Ballantine Books, New York, 1982), ISBN 0-345-33102-8 (paperback)
This book shows how you can treat yourself and others
using myotherapy, with specific guides to treating hand,
arm and other pain, using pressure on specified trigger
points, followed by stretching exercises.
Trigger points are quite common around the site of an injury, they are
one of the body's responses to it. They also explain some phantom limb
pain in amputees, apparently.
Richard
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From sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br (Eric Mitchell Sabinson) Mon Sep 19 15:53:41 EDT 1994
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> elijay@ix.netcom.com (John Manning)
> Scoliosis
> My wife suffers from scoliosis. Does anybody know of any backrub
> techniques that couod help her relieve her pain?
Your wife may need to learn how to stretch. I think that stretching
does a better job of relieving pain and tension than massage does when one
has a chronic condition like a scoliosis. Stretching also increases
mobility and prevents the scoliosis from getting worse. The stretching
itself may be very uncomfortable at first because your wife will not be
able to get very far, and then yes, you can gently massage the muscles that
are being stretched so that she can handle the discomfort. She will be
able to tell you what will not give. (In stretching, _nothing_ should be
forced. Everything is done _very_ slowly. One moves to the edge of a pull
and then one waits breathing into the pull before one moves on.)
As I no longer live in the US of A, I have no particular
recommendation as to whom one can work with to advise on what kind of
stretching exercises would be best for your wife. There is a list of
addresses for alternative 'structural' therapies in Mary Bond's _Rolfing
Movement Integration, A Self-Help Approach to Balancing the Body_, a book I
highly recommend to anyone who has "posture" difficulties. (Rochester,
Vermont: Healing Arts Press, 1993.) Here in Brazil, I have worked for the
last five years with a physical therapist specialized in Souchard
Methodology for structural realignment, "Reeducation Posturale Globale
[RPG]," out of France. (I do not think there are any specialists in the US
of A in RPG, just as I have never heard of anyone doing Alexander Technique
or Hellerwork here in Brazil. Nor is Feldenkrais or Rolfing common here,
but RPG is.) It has been a long haul, but my spine is no longer twisted in
such a way that there was no sense of vertebrae in the middle of my back.
My shoulders are now more or less level. Despite the scoliosis, my spine
is now healthier and my back more flexible than that of those around me. I
am fairly good at figuring out what I need to stretch and inventing
something for the occasion without hurting myself, but there is still a
great deal for me to free up.
Here is a trick that sometimes works for back tension. While lying on
the floor place a tennis or small rubber ball below a scapula towards the
spine but not on the spine! (The ball must not be placed on the spine.)
The feet should be planted on the floor so as to maintain contact of the
lumbar region with the ground. After ten minutes of sensing the ball
entering one's back, switch the ball to just below the other scapula, but
before doing so, compare the side which had the tennis ball to the side
that didn't. As I have a compensated scoliosis, my principal exercise is
to lie on the floor with all the vertebrae against it, the hips rotated
upwards to be able to do this, and the soles of the feet against each other
(the RPG "frog" position). I relax in this position for about ten minutes.
Then I slowly extend my legs keeping my feet together. Half way into the
extension, I place heel to heel and big toe to big toe without letting the
feet slope off, maintaining the rotation of the hip so that I do not arch
my back. This, if done properly, will pull the entire spine and correct
the rotation of leg muscles. It is not easy to relax into this stretch.
It takes up to a half an hour for me to complete the position without
forcing anything, and years to learn how to do this properly.
> Also she is considering going under the knife to get her curve
> straighened.
I hope you do find someone who can direct a rebalancing or
realignment. IMO, to have the spine fused as a correction to a scoliosis,
especially if the scoliosis has remained stable over a period of time,
represents a kind of despair. I don't understand why someone losing
mobility would take refuge from pain by giving up more mobility. Just
because one thinks one is losing the game is no reason to throw it, unless
one is not going to take any other measure. The more one is able to move,
the freer one feels, the less pain or tension there is, unless one has a
pinched nerve, slipped disk, a contusion or distended muscle, and then
conservative medical treatment is what is called for at first. (Where I
live no one would think of undergoing the knife merely because one is
liable to die of an infection produced by the surgery.) Sometimes back
tension has nothing to do with the scoliosis. Only a detailed interview
and examination with an experienced specialist in one of the methods listed
above can help distinguish whether the pain is due to the scoliosis or to
the way the body has come to cope with the scoliosis.
The other way is not easy, but eventually becomes fun. Besides an RPG
session every Tuesday, the most important aspect of my reeducation, I have
other activities nearly every evening to keep my spine healthy, Yoga
(Thursday), Tai Chi Chuan (Monday, Wednesday and Sunday), Step and a gym-
style stretching class (Friday), RPG (Tuesday) and a 'localized' class
every other Saturday morning. I walk everywhere I can, preferably
barefoot. I have also studied Qi Gong, meditation and shiatsu. If I am
rather zealous about this stuff now, I wasn't always this way. It took me
years to work up to all these activities, but most any one should help.
(Only recently have I been studying yoga. Tai Chi Chuan, depending on the
instructor, is much more conservative, by which I mean there is less of a
chance of aggravating the scoliosis than there is in Yoga. I would stay
away from lifting, especially at the beginning so as not to make matters
worse. Eventually someone with a scoliosis might want to build muscle
exactly where there is less muscle.)
ERIC
Eric Mitchell Sabinson | Reversal is the movement of the Way;
IEL/UNICAMP | Weakness is the usage of the Way.
sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br |
sabinson@ccvax.unicamp.br | All creatures under heaven are born from being;
sabinson@iel.unicamp.br | Being is born from nonbeing.
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From tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman) Sun Nov 6 08:28:42 EST 1994
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From: tnt@onramp.net (Terry Norman)
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In article <39dhr6$6ij@ixnews1.ix.netcom.com>, bob3@ix.netcom.com (Robert
Miller) wrote:
> Can anyone suggest massage technique or book cite which describes
> good massage for back pain relief? Please respond via E Mail.
You might want to check out a book entilted: Awareness Through Movement -
by Moshe Feldenkrais. It talks about the Feldenkrais Method, as well as
describing how and why humans function and dysfunction, which often leeds
to pain. He also takes you through 12 lessons (or exercises) which will
teach you how to move properly.
Another book is: Back in Shape, A Back Owner's Manual - by Stephen
Hochschuler, M.D., of the Texas Back Institute. I hope this info helps.
TNT
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Having chronic back and neck pain due to an accident I am forever
searching for pain relief.
About one year ago I was in my local drug store when I spotted a
bath product called "Mud Hops". It is a thick, dark liquid you pour into
a hot tub. The Mud Hops is a herbal muscle relaxant that also emits a
scent that is a type of aroma therapy. After a 20 minute bath your body
feels relaxed and your muscles soothed. It is also great for relieving
stress.
It is inexpensive and well worthwhile.
Michele
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In reading The Goodbye to Back Pain Book by Wheeler and Peterson, the
authors describe a backmate devise to be used with an extreme stretch of
hamstring muscles.You need a training partner for it. Basically the
patient lies flat on his back and is strapped into backmate device so
pelvis is stable. Training partner lifts his legs up 90 degrees
perpendicular to body and pushes gently back for stretch, returns to
starting position. This is repeated 8 times. Then for strengthening the
training partner offers mild resistence while patient lets his legs
slide down to partners knee level. Training partner brings them up for 8
repetitions. Then the stretch cycle repeated 6 times. Does anyone have a
backmate or know where it can be gotten? Has anyone tried this? These
studies were conducted at West Point with good results in
alievaiting back pain according to book. Any information on technique,
where one can find authors and actual experience would be appreciated.
From randman@direct.ca (Randall Friedman) Thu Mar 9 10:15:02 EST 1995
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In article <1995Mar3.195445@hobbit>, steele7@marshall.edu wrote:
> I could really use soome advice!
>Shonda
Shonda, being that you are in the states there are Dr. that specialize in
lower back (possibly spinal) related problems they are called Osteopaths,
they tend to know more about the musculoskeletal system the average Dr.
who if theyre lucky get about 2 weeks studying muscles and bones. If you
can find an Osteopath that knows "Muscle energy" they might be able to
provide fairly instant relief to your prob. It mainly depends on what is
causing the prob. in the first place. In Canada we do not have osteo's
Some registered massage therapists like myself study the teachniques that
the osteo's developed including another tech. called CraneoSacral. Both
are extremly effective at treating back and spinal problems. As I am not
able to exam you personally it is very difficult to make any kind of
assement. If there is muscle spasms _without_ any inflamation then a hot
pack or epsom salt bath may be effective. If the spinal segment is out
and pinching the nerve as it exits between segments then youre prob. going
to need to see an osteo or chiropractor to realign your spine. (Note this
is only 1 of the possibilities that can create this kind of spasm
{guarding} of the surrounding musculature.) Pelvic alignment is also
significant. Good luck Randall Friedman, RMT.
--
Randall Friedman, Rmt
registered massage therapist, Vancouver, B.C.
From Steve Holden Sat Mar 11 16:37:13 EST 1995
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From: Steve Holden
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Subject: Re: Lower back pain and sleeping better
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 1995 11:51:50 -0600
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Hello,
I tried to write each person separately but found I just couldn't keep
up. I didn't know so many people had lower back discopmfort. I have
only been on the NET for less than a month and did not realize the
responses that would come.
First let me say I am NOT trying to sell anyone anything. We just want
to make people aware of a product we found helpful for lower back pain
and sleeping better. This product is made by a company called NIKKEN and
centers around magnetics.
My wife,39 and I, 45, Sleep on a magnetic mattress. When she first
suggested it I thought she had had a few too many or suddenly lost a few
bricks. I sleep terrible on hard mattress (hotels) and felt this woud be
a mistake. I found out htat I wake more alert (am now amake while
walking dog) and seem more at ease or rested. Kind of hard to explain-
you have to experience it.
For lower back pain a flat magnet is slipped into the waist under a shirt
or blouse where it can remain hidden form view all day. Many people are
concerned with HOW does it work. I know I was but I came to accept the
ideas because it really worked. My father in law sits in a magnetic seat
pad and has found great relief fron his arthritis.
All I can say is that is people are talking about NIKKEN and its products
don't be too quick to think it hocus pocus. consider giving it a try.
Gail and Steve Brandon, Manitoba, Canada
From jamie@uwo.ca Sun May 28 09:35:05 EDT 1995
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From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
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Subject: Info about back pain
Date: 28 May 1995 13:12:23 GMT
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Summary: reference to FTP file
Keywords: back pain FTP archive
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!
X-Url: ftp://ftp.technion.ac.il/pub/unsupported/handicap/pc/pain/bkache56.zip
Here's a posting that, I think, should be in the archive.
In sci.med article <3q9nsf$kn7@tdc.dircon.co.uk> sneal@tdc.dircon.co.uk
(Simon Neal) wrote:
Am surveying the Net for successful techniques to relieve chronic back
pain. Please E Mail me details. AM very interested in exercise
routines, Feldenkrais and SOmatics routines,and the role of herbs and
amino acids in pain relief. Am doing a weekly posting and eventually a
faq. While message has appeared before, each posting yields new
results. Next posting re partial results of survey will appear early
next week. Please share what has worked for you so that it can
alleviate others suffering.
Answers to questions frequently asked in alt.backrubs are available via
anonymous FTP from rtfm.mit.edu in pub/usenet-by-group/alt.backrubs/faq
(ftp://rtfm.mit.edu/pub/usenet-by-group/alt.backrubs/faq)
From nn7van@ballarat.edu.au Tue May 30 08:04:36 EDT 1995
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Jason,
Try an osteopath they have a much more holistic approach to chiropracters
or physiotherapists and they work. It sounds like you have a bit of sciatica
which can be caused by bad lifting techniques or through bad posture. I hurt
my back a couple of years ago and couldn't sit or stand(it was lower right
back).Three visits to the osteopath and I'm a new woman. They incorporate
massage,manipulation and general posture training to improve all aspects of
poor backs. I was told to strengthen my abdominal muscles as these play a
major role in good posture.
-Vicki.
From Graham@fragrant.demon.co.uk Tue May 30 09:48:51 EDT 1995
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In article: nn7van@ballarat.edu.au writes:
>
> Jason,
> Try an osteopath they have a much more holistic approach to chiropracters
> or physiotherapists and they work. It sounds like you have a bit of sciatica
> which can be caused by bad lifting techniques or through bad posture. I hurt
> my back a couple of years ago and couldn't sit or stand(it was lower right
> back).Three visits to the osteopath and I'm a new woman. They incorporate
> massage,manipulation and general posture training to improve all aspects of
> poor backs. I was told to strengthen my abdominal muscles as these play a
> major role in good posture.
> -Vicki.
Sorry Vickie I disagree,, First you must find out about the osteopath/chiropracter etc because I
have had the complete opposite experience. I went to osetopaths and to chiropracters and by far
the better holistic treatment I have had has been from the chiropracters.
This is not a flame, (g) just an observation.
The rest of the information is certainly good though.
Regards
Graham
>
>
--
Graham Sorenson Guide to Aromatherapy URL
http://www.dircon.co.uk/home/philrees/fragrant/index.html
From leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) Sun Jun 4 02:49:59 EDT 1995
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: back pain
Organization: The Harold Network -- An Alliance For Creative Communication
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 95 13:31:35 PDT
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In lks.slc.usa@utw.com (Kay Stirling) writes:
>I heard that financial stress lodges itself in your lower back. Could this be
>true. * Kay
I would say that financial stress would manifest in the upper back and
shoulders along with other "obligations and responsibilities". The lower
back is associated more with "holding on" to emotions you need to dump.
_____________________________________________________________________
Lee Dronick, M.T. San Diego, CA leed@pro-harold.cts.com
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From ssilverman@reston.btna.com (Steve Silverman) Thu Jun 8 13:53:34 EDT 1995
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In article <3r00tn$2o2@news.onramp.net>, Alise Libman says:
>
>
>> I have chronic back and neck pain from an auto accident. After a year of
>> chiro, massage, medication of all sorts my doctor has diagnosed me with
>> myofacial pain syndrome. He is recommending accupunture that might give
>> me some help. I would appreciate anyone that could give me some info and
>> experiences with accupunture good or bad. Thanks in advance.
>>
>Acupuncture is ok, if you go to someone who knows EXACTLY what they
>are doing. I have seen far too many patients come into my school
>with pain greater than when they started out, all because of quacks
>who were inexperienced. If you are hesitant to try acupressure, first
>contact a clinic in the area. ask them several questions addressing
>your concerns. If after that, you are still hesitant, I would highly
>recommend acupressure. It follows the same techniques that acupuncture
>does, only it involves the therapist's fingers instead of needles. It
>produces the same results with less pain.
>
"Acupuncture can also be done with electrical stimulation. This does
not involve breaking the skin so there is virtually no risk of infection.
I have no personal experience of this however and do not know if it is
as effective. I did once have traditional needle acupuncture after a
bad fall (skiing accident) and it did help my shoulder quite a bit.
You might try to find a different chiropractor and see if they can
provide better relief.
Good luck.
From bartlett@amanda.dorsai.org (Chris Bartlett) Mon Jun 12 07:51:29 EDT 1995
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From: bartlett@amanda.dorsai.org (Chris Bartlett)
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Subject: Re: MIDDLE BACK PAIN
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 1995 11:59:21 -1812
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If you do sleep on your stomach, try putting a pillow under your chest,
which should eliminate the reverse curving effect this has on your back,
and/or reduce the pillows at your head. Also, people who sleep on their
stomachs tend to turn their heads to one side, which if you do it for
several hours leads to increased tension in your neck that could certainly
translate into back pain.
If you sleep on your back, is your bed soft? If it's too soft, you might
not be getting enough suport for your spine. I had this problem when
sleeping on a water bed, (which beds are, imho highly overrated), and it
went away immediately I regained my own somewhat harder bed.
--
Chris Bartlett:
Massage Therapist Ann Arbor Mi.
(313)930-1868 between 9 A.m and 9 P.M EDT
bartlett@amanda.dorsai.org
From Diane Reid Wed Jun 14 06:25:43 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: MIDDLE BACK PAIN
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alifson@aol.com (ALifson) wrote:
>
> I HAVE A PAIN IN MY MIDDLE BACK WHEN I SLEEP. IT IS ESPECIALY PRONONCED IN
> THE MORNING, WHILE I AM STILL IN BED. THE PAIN IS ALMOST NON-EXISTANT
> DURING THE DAY. THIS HAS BEEN OCCURING EVERY DAY FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS.
> DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE THE CAUSE. YOUR COMMENTS ARE GREATLY
> APPRECIATED.
I have pain in a similar location when I sleep on my back. I solve
this by putting a cushion under my knees. I have a very firm mattress
and that helps, but the cushion takes the pressure off the spine.
(remember the reason why you should always do bent-leg situps instead
of straight legs - same principle).
Diane
From leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) Sat Jun 17 20:05:08 EDT 1995
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Pain after Massage
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In <3rscaq$a9t@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> kkudo@uoguelph.ca (Ken I Kudo) writes:
>Hello all
>I had a massage last night. I had alot of acute tightness in the lower
>half of my body. I am a triathlete and my legs,hips and glutes get very
>fired up. My therapist works my back and also neck and traps.
>This morning as i was bending over to pull up my pants I felt this very
>sharp pain in my back. It is along the right side of my spine between
>the shoulder blades. Could this have been the result of the massage?
>At noon hour the pain had subsided abit but if I stretch my shoulders
>back I feel pain. Any comments?
>
Well without palpating the area I would say that in a way the discomfort
could be as a result of the massage. However, to qualify that most everyone
has chronic tension in the traps and rhomboids, the massage most likely
simply woke up nerves that have been numbed for quite a while. Give your
massage therapist a call.
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From Bill_Chan@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Chan) Thu Jun 29 07:47:07 EDT 1995
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From: Bill_Chan@mindlink.bc.ca (Bill Chan)
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Subject: Re: backpain cream
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 95 14:29:12 -0700
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Probably you already know. Lay on your back and bring either knee to the
chest, or to opposite chest. You might need some professional care, whether
massage, chiropractor, physiotherapist.
Disclaiming responsibility.
Bill Chan DC
From leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick) Sun Jun 18 21:11:39 EDT 1995
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Subject: Re: in constant pain, help!
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In <3s0ipn$dpo_004@bighorn.accessnv.com>
kern@accessnv.com (Shirley Kern Roche-Hogue (Kandi)) writes:
>Wear Anti-Pain, Anti-Insomnia Bio-Magnetic "Buttons" on specific areas of back
>pain.
>
>Wear Anti-Pain Bio-Magnetic Insoles for a general feeling of well-being.
>
>For info, email: kern@accessnv.com
This would be tough to make a recommendation on over the net. Look up
someone in the local area. You might call one of the massage schools and
ask for reference or see if they have a student clinic.
East-West College of Healing Arts
Portland OR
tel 503-231-1500
800-635-9141
Cascade Institute of Massage and Body Therapies
Eugene OR
tel 503-687-8101
National College of Naturopathic Medicine
Portland OR
tel 503-255-4860
Good luck!
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From sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br (Eric Mitchell Sabinson) Mon Oct 24 11:29:27 EDT 1994
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Subject: Re: PAIN!! Help please!
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> PAIN!! Help please!
> From: ewhite@h.cs.wvu.edu (Elliott White III)
[stuff deleted]
> One of the exercises that he had me do, was to stand straight up,
> hold one of those big red rubber bands(isometric bands or something like
> that), Hold my arms straight out to the side, and then flex my arms back,
> fairly hard, so that my shoulder blades would essentially touch. I would
> do this a variable amout - increasing each day. Until eventually I got
> to 30 a day. Also I would do 30 with them straight out, then rotate 45
> degrees with my arms (one up, one down) and do 30, then switch the
> rotation and do 30. After I did all this I was to take a break and then
> do it all again (mind you this was just ONE of the exercises).
> To shorten this up, My neck is MUCH better BUT, from THIS
> exercise I started getting pain in the very center of my chest - right
> between my nipples. It wasn't bad at first - even after I had stopped
> doing the exercises, but lately it has been acting up. It has also
> starting popping, just like if you crack your knuckles, it feels just
> like that, and hurts some. Plus any real reaching movement with my arms
> makes it hurt.
> It is a bearable pain - but I am afriad something BIG BAD might
> be wrong. Can somebody help me??
[rest deleted]
You have been doing strength training with these bands, and have probably
put on some muscle. The Physical Therapist who taught you these exercises
should have also taught you stretches in order for you to compensate any
'shortening' or 'tensing.' As I am an amateur myself on this kind of stuff
and do not have your particular problem, I would not be able to recommend
any particular stretch. Besides, it may be that the symptoms are such that
at this point you need to stretch under the guidance of the PT so that you
do not hurt yourself. You may need to be treated with ice or heat before
doing any exercise. (At this point, I can tell when I can get rid of pain
on my own and when I need help, but at first I always need help. It is
difficult to figure out what do do when one is not familiar with pain and
how to deal with it.)
What you can try safely is breathing to see if you can relax the
tissues. Lie down on the floor. Let go. Picture an image that is
relaxing to you. (Perhaps you might put on some music. I like something
slow by Mozart for this kind of stuff.) Breathe in expanding your lower
belly and then bringing the expansion up into your chest in all directions.
(Torsos are oval. One is using the breath to press outwards in all
directions.) Exhale slowly. Repeat, imagining a pink or green light
filling your chest. (Or you can see what color comes to mind.) Do not
force anything. This is not so much something you do as something you let
happen. If breathing this way causes pain, one is not doing the exercise
correctly. One breathes to the edge of the pain. One doesn't try to push
the pain a way with the breath or force the chest to loosen up. One
accepts the pain and notices what happens with it.
From what you describe there is probably a shortening of the muscles
along the arms. I do not think that the Stretch FAQ has any particular
exercises for the arms, but it will give you a list of books on stretching
and will tell you that arms need to be stretched before one stretches the
chest muscles. See your Physical Therapist again, and if he has no
suggestions, see a doctor. If both tell you not to worry, it is time to
take a "body awareness" or stretching class, or Yoga, especially if you are
spending a good part of the day at a terminal.
ERIC
Eric Mitchell Sabinson | For whosoever hath, to him shall be given,
IEL/UNICAMP | and he shall have more abundance:
sabinson@ccsun.unicamp.br | but whosoever hath not,
sabinson@ccvax.unicamp.br | from him shall be taken away
sabinson@iel.unicamp.br | even that he hath.
CCVAX::UNICAMP | -- St. Matthew, Chapter 13
From bam@wam.umd.edu (an infinite number of monkeys) Wed Jul 26 14:31:38 EDT 1995
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From: bam@wam.umd.edu (an infinite number of monkeys)
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Subject: Re: help for computer back?
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In article ,
Kim Brunhuber wrote:
>
>Hi. Over the past four years, I've spent a lot of time at the computer.(I'm
>a writer and a student). For two years now, I've had a very painful lower
>back, which burns whenever I'm in a sitting position. Althought the
>pain goes away fairly quickly when I stand up, it's a serious problem for me
>because I spend a lot of time sitting down. What can I do? Is massage the
>answer? I'm desperate!
If you don't use one already, you might want to get a lumbar roll.
It'll support your lower back when you're sitting so your lower back
doesn't have as much strain on it. You can get the rolls at medical
supply stores, and in the DC area at least, a store called Joann's Bed
and Back carries them.
If you go shopping for lumbar rolls, make sure you try them out for
a few minutes to make sure they're comfortable. Bring a book along.
Hope this helps.
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From: relaxbak@ix.netcom.com (Virginia Rogers )
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>John M. Mikhail (jmikhail@corsa.ucr.edu) wrote:
>: Hello out there,
>
>: I need some help if anyone can give it. I hurt my lower back like
>: a couple of months ago playing football. It hurt for a while, then
>: the pain went away. Recently, I started playing vollyball and my
pain
>: came back, even worse then ever this time. I had two shots of
>: Cortazone and it helped a bit, but I am still getting pain in my
lower
>: back. How can I get rid of this. I really can't stand sitting
around
>: waiting for it to heal. I am an active person and love to
excersise.
>: Can anyone please e-mail me any help. Thanks a lot.
>
>: -John Mikhail
>
John, you might try checking out our web page
http://www.relaxtheback.com
Our stores sell hundreds of products for relief and prevention of back
pain...change your environment and the way you do much of what you do,
and you'll probably find that you can eliminate a lot of your pain.
What part of the day does it hurt most? Look for back-friendly items
to use during that time.
Virginia
>
>
From leed@pro-harold.cts.com Mon Oct 2 17:45:24 EDT 1995
Article: 7835 of alt.backrubs
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From: leed@pro-harold.cts.com (Lee Dronick)
Subject: Re: Cure for Acute Backache
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In <44ko6s$rnm@raffles.technet.sg> Edwin Lau writes:
>I have been suffering from acute bachache at the small of my back and the shoulders,
>what you would you recommend to help relief it.
Pain in the lower back if caused by lordosis (excess curvature) may be the
result of a number muscles under tension or a combination thereof.
Abdominals
Diaphram
Psoas
and others.
I would recommend seeing a massage therapist, Alexander teacher,
chiropracter or some sort of body worker.
When there is excessive curvature there is almost always a compensating
outward curve around the shoulder blades and then another inward curve at
the neck. A good bodyworker can help you release the muscle tension and
show you some exercise and stretches that you can do on your own to help
flaten out the excessive spinal curvature.
It's tough to do this without taking a look and feel of your back, but what
you describe is quite common. Watch your posture for slouching, think up
and outward to lenghtn the spine and widen the shoulders.
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Lee Dronick, HHP San Diego CA Internet: leed@pro-harold.cts.com
The body and the mind are not two separate things but only one, and the
mind's pain usually shows up somewhere in the body, so the search for self
is a search for healh. Merle Shain
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From bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA Mon Oct 9 07:14:34 EDT 1995
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From: bh295@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Lee Murray)
Subject: Re: Ouch...I deflated a disc!
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Along with the usual advice, go see a specialist, a chiropractor perhaps,
I can only comment to improve the posture, and to take steps to avoid the
buildup of a lot of tension from the constant discomfort. Such as,
massage, or other bodywork. You may find it helpful to try the Squat
position. That's with feet flat, spread to a comfortable width, just
squat and let your arms hang over your knees. this allows the pelvis to
drop downand relax, in turn providing a bit of stretch for the lower spine.
If you can't stay upright the first few times, put a book under your heels.
Well good luck. Lee Johannes/Ottawa +0-
Hailey Jonathan L (jlh103s@nic.smsu.edu) writes:
> I was wondering if anyone else has had this problem. Because of my poor posturelaying around during the summer, I partially deflated a disc in my lower back.
> Has anyone else had this problem, and if so, how was it corrected? My pain is
> no longer sharp but rather a dull, annoying as piss pain. Thanks!
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Article: 13123 of alt.backrubs
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From: jamie@csd.uwo.ca (J. Blustein)
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Subject: Re: Lower Back Pains
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Summary: A web site that might have something useful about back pain
Keywords: back pain, website
X-Copyright: copyright (c) J. Blustein, 1996. All rights reserved
X-Url: http://www.achingback.com
Disclaimer: It's people like you what cause unrest!
While we are on the subject of back pain, here is something I saw in
another newsgroup:
In misc.health.therapy.occupational article
<3263CD10.2A87@earthlink.net> Jim Nixon wrote:
http://www.acingback.com.
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From pmr@inrete.it (Piermario Clara) Wed Sep 11 08:38:09 EDT 1996
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From: pmr@inrete.it (Piermario Clara)
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Subject: Re: "Mouse" pain
Date: Mon, 09 Sep 1996 20:25:44 GMT
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"Seth Kubersky" wrote:
>Hi everyone. Does anyone know of stretches or anything I can do myself to
>make my back quit hurting? It hurts between my spine and my right shoulder
>blade. (I _think_ those are the rhomboids?) I'm sore most of the time, but
>using a mouse really aggravates it.
Stretching exercises will do fine.
Relaxation too is wonderful. Try Mentastics movements, they are exceptional.
Ciao! Piermario.
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