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Ian Goddard 
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 5:15 AM
Subject: Littleton Witness Account

I just transcribed the following. Kim Sander is a mother of a student who had 
escaped early in the attack. During the massacre, at 1:10 central time 
(4/20/99), Kim was interviewed on KUSA-TV, carried by MSNBC. During that 
interview Kim described what her daughter had just told her she had seen:

Kim Sander: "She looked up and saw a gunman in a black trench coat with a 
very huge gun in front of him.... He had dark brown hair, thick bushy 
eyebrows and was very ugly. She said he was a white male. ..."

News Anchor: "Kim, did your daughter say if the gunman that she saw was a 
student at the school?"

Kim Sander: "She didn't recognize him as a student. No. Not as a student."

The two dead gunmen:
http://www.msnbc.com/news/261238.asp


Subj: 	Littleton: How Many Gunmen?
Date: 	Sunday, April 25, 1999 08:57:24 AM
From: 	Ian@Goddard.net
 
Police investigation of the Littleton massacre 
has expanded from two to three suspects, and 
the third appears to have implicated others: 

MSNBC: NBC: Third suspect says others aided 
gunmen: http://www.msnbc.com/news/261055.asp 

Even though others were arrested at the school,
the day after the massacre the local Sheriff's 
Department said they believed that the two dead 
gunmen acted alone. While it's not clear if the 
third suspect is accused of killings at school, 
a diversity of details in early media reports 
and eyewitness accounts suggest that there 
may have been more than two assailants:
===================================================
TWO MASKED GUNMEN IN BLACK COATS
===================================================
Associated Press: Gunmen Open Fire in Colorado H.S 
By Robert Weller. Tuesday, 4/20/99; 3:56 p.m. EDT:

   "LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Two masked young 
   men dressed in long, black trench coats 
   opened fire in a suburban high school..." 
===================================================
GUNMAN IN BLACK COAT, NO MASK, NOT A STUDENT
===================================================
Kim Sander is a mother of a student who escaped. 
During the siege (4/20/99) at 1:10 central time, 
Kim was interviewed on KUSA-TV, carried by MSNBC. 
Kim described what her daughter had just told her 
about what her daughter had seen at the school:

  KIM SANDER: "She looked up and saw a gunman 
  in a black trench coat with a very huge gun 
  in front of him.... He had dark brown hair,
  thick bushy eyebrows and was very ugly. 
  She said he was a white male."

  NEWS ANCHOR: "Kim, did your daughter say 
  if the gunman that she saw was a student 
  at the school?"

  KIM SANDER: "She didn't recognize him as 
  a student. No. Not as a student." 

Dead gunmen: http://www.msnbc.com/news/261238.asp 
===================================================
THREE GUNMAN IN BLACK TRENCH COATS
===================================================
Associated Press: 25 May Be Dead in School Shooting 
By Robert Weller. Tuesday, 4/20/99; 7:39 p.m. EDT:

   "LITTLETON, Colo. (AP) -- Three young men in 
   fatigues and black trench coats opened fire 
   at a suburban Denver high school Tuesday..."

   "A third young man was led away from the 
   school in handcuffs more than four hours 
   after the attack, and student Chris Wisher 
   said: 'He's one of the ones who shot at us.'"

http://search.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WAPO/19990420/V000079-042099-idx.html 
===================================================
BOMBER IN WHITE T-SHIRT 
===================================================
Associated Press: 25 May Be Dead in School Shooting.
By Robert Weller. Tuesday, 4/20/99; 7:39 p.m. EDT: 

  ``At first we thought it was fireworks, then 
  we saw them shooting,'' said Jake Apoeaca, 16. 
  ``He saw us and then he started shooting at us. 
  Then a guy in a white T-shirt threw two hand 
  grenades on the roof. ...'' 

911 tapes of police radio dispatches release on 
4/23/99 mention a suspect wearing a white T-shirt.
===================================================
SUSPECT IN BLACK T-SHIRT 
===================================================
Photograph from The Washington Post (4/21/99) shows 
friend of gunmen arrested on the scene (perhaps the 
same young man mentioned and figured by a student 
as a gunmen in an Associated Press report):
http://www.erols.com/igoddard/littltnC.jpg 
===================================================
SIMULTANEOUS ATTACKS UPSTAIRS & DOWNSTAIRS
===================================================
Cathy Parks is a student who escaped before the 
siege ended. She was interviewed on MSNBC during 
the siege at 1:26 pm central time, April 20. 
Transcript from tape of MSNBC broadcast:

  REPORTER TO NEWS ANCHOR: "I'm going to 
  put you on the phone now with Cathy Parks. 
  She's a freshman at Columbine. She was in 
  the library at the time the gunmen came 
  in and started shooting."

  CATHY PARKS: "I was in the library and 
  there were noises downstairs.... And 
  then these two guys came up [ into the 
  library ] and they were shooting randomly 
  and there was bombing, I guess, downstairs 
  and people screaming."

Two gunmen were upstairs in the library while 
bombs were going off downstairs. When she says 
"I guess" it's clear in hearing that she refers 
to "bombing," meaning she assumes it was bombing.
===================================================
3 TCM GANG MEMBERS ARRESTED IN FIELD NEAR SCHOOL 
===================================================
Associated Press: 25 May Be Dead in School Shooting.
By Robert Weller. Tuesday, 4/20/99; 7:39 p.m. EDT: 

  "Three youths wearing black -- but not trench 
  coats -- were stopped by police in a field near 
  the school. The Colorado Bureau of Investigation 
  said the three were friends of the gunmen who 
  were being taken in for questioning. 

  "Witnesses said the shootings took place around 
  the school, including in the cafeteria and library." 

Arrest: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/littltnA.jpg 
I saw another arrest of a guy in a black trench coat
on MSNBC, which I didn't tape, and that guy was not 
the three above, nor was it the one wearing a black 
T-shirt: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/littltnC.jpg 
So there were 5 other "associates" at or near the 
school that were arrested on that bloody day.
===================================================
SHOTS FROM GUNMAN OUTSIDE WHO RAN INSIDE SCHOOL
===================================================
>From police radio dispatch during the siege on 911 
tapes played on MSNBC (4/23/99 around 3:40 CT):

  POLICE DISPATCH: "Attention all units, 
  71 is under fire. He said the suspect 
  just ran inside the building.... 71 
  is still under fire in the south lawn."
===================================================
SMOKE/BOMB(?) IN PARKING LOT
===================================================
Student on scene talking to 911 emergency operator:

  STUDENT: "There's like smoke going 
  off in the parking lot right now. 
  There are loud noises. I'm not sure 
  exactly. A cop is pulling up." 

  http://msnbc.com/news/262264.asp 
===================================================
ONLY TWO DEAD SUSPECTED
===================================================
On MSNBC (4/21/99) Sheriff Steve Parks was asked: 

  REPORTER: "Do you think the two suspects 
  were working alone?"

  PARKS: "We still believe that they were."
===================================================
MORE SUSPECTS OFF-THE-RECORD
===================================================
District Attorney for Littleton co, Mark Pautler,
appeared on CNN's "Burden of Proof" (12:45 pm ET, 
4/23/99) and was asked if any witnesses had said 
they'd seen more than two gunman, he answered: 
"I'm not at liberty to answer that question."
Which suggests there are such accounts.
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