*** Logging initiated 6:01:14 PM Thursday, June 1, 1995 ***
Steve Gibbard: Hi Aitan
Carol   : Hi all.
:Aitan R/SL: Heya Steve!!
Steve Gibbard: Hi Carol
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Carol!!
          How goes it guys?
Steve Gibbard: Good, mostly
Carol   : Fine, and with you?
:Aitan R/SL: Not too bad....Hot day
Carol   : Where do you live? Canada.
Steve Gibbard: Were are you Aitan?
:Aitan R/SL: Yep....Vancouver BC :)
          Been sunny and sweltering for the last three weeks
Steve Gibbard: X-Files is filmed there isn't it?
:Aitan R/SL: :)
          Sure is:)
Carol   : I'm near Chicago.  It is almost 90 in myapartment.
:Aitan R/SL: Not that it makes me watch it :)
Carol   : LOL
:Aitan R/SL: 90!
Steve Gibbard: It's about 50 here!
:Aitan R/SL: Already?
Carol   : Yes we're on the 2nd floor.  The sun heatsthe roof.
:Aitan R/SL: There isn't a lot of wind and its really humid
Carol   : In was in the 80's out.
:Aitan R/SL: One sec I'll BRB
Carol   : Any interesting experiences thes weekSteve?
Steve Gibbard: I keep having "Sleep Paralysis"
Carol   : Sleep Paralysis?  Please explain.
Steve Gibbard: I've had it on and off for about six years..
Carol   : You wake up and can't move?
Steve Gibbard: It's when, (I think) you wake up..
:Aitan R/SL: Back :)
Steve Gibbard: and can't move..exactly
Carol   : Hi Theresa.
Theresa : Hi.
Red Wolf/SPI: Hello
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Theresa
          Hi Red Wolf
Steve Gibbard: Hi Theresa..Red Wolf
Carol   : Hi Red Wolf.
Red Wolf/SPI: Hey
Carol   : That would probably scare me Steve.
:Aitan R/SL: Does it sacre you Steve?
Steve Gibbard: Sometimes..
:Aitan R/SL: 
Steve Gibbard: If I really want to wake up and can't..
          I start to panic..
          I sometimes I go back into a "dream state"..
Carol   : :)
Steve Gibbard: and can't tell if what's real and what isn't..
          I think I'm awake but I'm not.
Carol   : So you're not always sure if you areawake or dreaming
          the whole thing?
:Aitan R/SL: I know the feeling well Steve :)
Steve Gibbard: Yes, sometimes, it's quite confusing.
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Athena
Athena  : hi
          Aitan
Steve Gibbard: Hi Athena
:Aitan R/SL: Sleep Paralysis is often used as a explanation for
          the abduction process...
Athena  : What is the topic tonight
:Aitan R/SL: Like you're not really being abducted...
Athena  : Hi Steveverybody
:Aitan R/SL: No particular topic Athena....
          as usual just seeing what developes.
          Actually...
          Would everyone rather have a set topic to start
          from...
Athena  : You think sleep paralysis is an explanation of the
          after effects of abduction?
:Aitan R/SL: or just bring your own thoughts and themes?
Theresa : I have been reading the mind message section and yet
          I am still rather confused as to the premise of
          discussion. Could you tell me
          waht the section is about.
:Aitan R/SL: I was saying that many analysts...
Athena  : Or am I missunderstanding this
:Aitan R/SL: use the sleep paralysis phenomenon to explain away
          abduction.
          Theresa...
Carol   : I think society spends to much time tryingto explain
          away anything that can't bescientifically proven.
Athena  : Aitan shorter sentences.
:Aitan R/SL: The mind section is basically an exploration into
          how the mind percieves our everyday lives....
Athena  : I get 35 characters per line on my monitor.
:Aitan R/SL: Sorry Athena :)
Athena  : It is something I cannot change,
          much as I would lllike to.
Theresa : Thanks Aitan.
:Aitan R/SL: We're trying to be pretty broad here theresa...
Carol   : What kind of computer do you haveAthena?
:Aitan R/SL: looking for what we may come up with along the
          way.
Theresa : I see.
Athena  : Has anyone read the book Above top secret
:Aitan R/SL: If that makes sense.
          I haven't
Athena  : Amiga 500 Carol
Carol   : Anything you would like to discussTheresa?
Theresa : Do you cover such things as alternate realities and
          dimensions?
Steve Gibbard: I've read Alien Contact, the 2nd book.
:Aitan R/SL: Most definately!
Theresa : I like that stuff. 
:Aitan R/SL: Me too:)
Athena  : so do we Theresa
:Aitan R/SL: Perhaps our quest is to find how we can use what
          we know to become broader human beings.
Carol   : Have you had any experiences you wouldlike to share
          with us Theresa?
Athena  : brb
Anthony W. Hodgson: THIS IS SHERRI.
:Aitan R/SL: Sorry Athena, that was a long one :(
Anthony W. Hodgson: I HAVE BEEN LISTENING IN,
Steve Gibbard: Aitan> Do you mean analysts...
Carol   : ROFL
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Sherri
Steve Gibbard: say that "that person is having sleep..
:Aitan R/SL: Listen away:)
Theresa : Well, when I first understood the theory
Anthony W. Hodgson: HI AJTAN
Carol   : Hi Anthony
Steve Gibbard: paralysis not an abduction"?
Theresa : of particle interference in quantum physics, I
:Aitan R/SL: Some Steve.
Theresa : sat down on the floor to contimplate it and I think
:Aitan R/SL: Not all, but the more scientific ones anyway.
Theresa : I was able to look thru a wall.
          Haven't done it again, it was just
          at the same point of understanding that my
          eyes seemed to see things differently.
Anthony W. Hodgson: SORRY AITAN
Theresa : ga
:Aitan R/SL: What for?
Anthony W. Hodgson: YES
Athena  : I am back
:Aitan R/SL: Hi :)
Suntop D DEARHEART: atain my friend
          erm aitan i mean
Athena  : Hi SDD
:Aitan R/SL: Suntop!!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Hi, Aitain!
:Aitan R/SL: Mandy!!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Oops, I mean, Aitan.
Suntop D DEARHEART: hello athena
Carol   : Hi Mandy & Suntop
Suntop D DEARHEART: hey carol
:Mandy Gershon/SL: send 2 Yeah, that is the bright side isn't
          it? LOL!
Suntop D DEARHEART: i thoug everyone fell asleep
:Aitan R/SL: I'm glowing with happiness
Athena  : Hi Mandy
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Hi, Athena!
Theresa : Hello.
Suntop D DEARHEART: heya mandy
:Aitan R/SL: Theresa...
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Geez, Aitan, you're blinding me! 
Suntop D DEARHEART: >mand i know he is VBG
:Aitan R/SL: Have you tried to do that since?
Athena  : I have to get some sun block
:Aitan R/SL: 
:Mandy Gershon/SL: LOL!
Theresa : Aitan?
Suntop D DEARHEART: yep athena while we are at it 100 pairs of
          sun glasses giggle
Vlad    : Aitan, you stud!
Suntop D DEARHEART: each to put over our eyes:)
:Aitan R/SL: The see-throughness
Suntop D DEARHEART: LOL
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Vlad :)
Vlad    : Hi gang
Suntop D DEARHEART: but dfolnt look at me!
Theresa : yeah
:Aitan R/SL: Paul:)
Suntop D DEARHEART: erm dont e
Athena  : Hi Vlad
Paul S. Cilwa: "I think, therefore I can." --J.B. Hormel.
Suntop D DEARHEART: d
Paul S. Cilwa: hi, guys!
Suntop D DEARHEART: g
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Right on, Paul!  Way to be!
Theresa : Yes, Paul.
Athena  : and Paul
Suntop D DEARHEART: hellp paul
:Aitan R/SL: Do you have copyrights on that Paul :)
Suntop D DEARHEART: erm
SHERRI  : Sorry, I'm not familiar with online etiquette.
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Buddy
Suntop D DEARHEART: hello i maen
Paul S. Cilwa: Just occurred as I was logging in.
Suntop D DEARHEART: must slow down
:Aitan R/SL: Get used to it quick Sherri :)
Athena  : Your'e just saying that because wer'e meating around
          you  Paul
Suntop D DEARHEART: >aitan why are you so bright today?
Athena  : :)
Paul S. Cilwa: 
          Quite a crowd this evening, I see.
Theresa : A rowdy bunch.
:Aitan R/SL: I'm happy to see so many of you guys around
          tonight, why shouldn't I glow?
Theresa : 
Paul S. Cilwa: Rowdy is good.
Suntop D DEARHEART: <---------is pondering on life, the
          universe, and the outcome of the penndet race of
          baseball!!!!LOL
:Aitan R/SL: So no-onw answered my question...
Paul S. Cilwa: Got a topic yet tonight?
Carol   : Not really.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Paul, if not I could come up with one!
:Aitan R/SL: Do we want set topics or not every week?
Theresa : What was the question Aitan?
Steve Gibbard: About topics Aitan?
:Aitan R/SL: Yep
Dragonfly: Hello?
Paul S. Cilwa: You might consider having a stock of topics you
          can draw from if one doesn't come up.
:Aitan R/SL: You see I feel that you can discover more if there
          isn't a set starting point.
Steve Gibbard: How about one week whatever, and the next a set
          topic
Dragonfly: Hello?
Paul S. Cilwa: Hi, Dragonfly!
Dragonfly: hi
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Dragonfly!!!
Vlad    : use topics if nothing more interesting comes up, play
          it by ear.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Well, like I said, I could come up with a
          topic!
Carol   : A topic always seems to come up.
Suntop D DEARHEART: obusli my basball joke did not work
:Aitan R/SL: Welcome to Room 18
Theresa : But Aitan, theres no way to know if you are going in
          circles if there is no starting point, too.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Channeling, ouija, UFOs, psychic phenomenon,
          ghosts, angels ...
Theresa : Know what I mean?
:Mandy Gershon/SL: geez, there's plenty!
Vlad    : baseball, what's that?
Athena  : Paul when making a stock keep away from the garlic ;)
Suntop D DEARHEART: cannot SPELL either
:Aitan R/SL: The only room where the door is especially widened
          around the head area :)
Paul S. Cilwa: Going in circles is okay if the journey is the
          point.
Suntop D DEARHEART: circles?
Judith M.: aitan, I like that.
Dragonfly: How about black magik?
Suntop D DEARHEART: gasp
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Judith :)
Suntop D DEARHEART: uh...
Theresa : Lets contemplate the ever expanding universe.
:Aitan R/SL: I do Theresa.
Vlad    : Paul is always a good topic :-)
Theresa : ok
Suntop D DEARHEART: Black Magick? what does black magick have
          to do with the MIND>?
Theresa : Now that that is done....
Paul S. Cilwa: My favorite one, but hard to believe others
          would keep awake for it, Vlad!
:Aitan R/SL: But sometimes a topic can steer people away if its
          not something to talk about.
          Being Blunt
Athena  : Chomping Lester,Dragonfly,let's NOT do it on Black
          Magick
Dragonfly: the mind + the soul = black Magic
Suntop D DEARHEART: as well as i Theresa it is big very huge...
Vlad    : you always have interesting stuff, Paul!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Sorry, Dragon, I don't follow that.
:Aitan R/SL: I'll tell you what we'll do.....
Sherri  : I had to leave due to HD problems
Suntop D DEARHEART: and dragonfly what about WHITE MAGICK?
Dragonfly: the nyour mind is closed
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Not!
:Aitan R/SL: Every week I'll have a few topics on hand...
Bill Stevens: I like Theresa's idea..does a fifth dimension
          reallyexist ?
Sherri  : Can someone tell me what we are discussing?
:Aitan R/SL: I won't publish them though.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Balance of soul, mind and body may help you
          ...
          connect to the fabric of energy that leds ...
          you to believe it's only black magic, but really, ...
          it's just using the energy that we've denied ourselves
          ...
Suntop D DEARHEART: see i guess dragonfly did not get my
          question
Judith M.: Sherri, we are still deciding what we are talking
          about.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: use of for so long.
Suntop D DEARHEART: Autan you plubish things?
Athena  : Has anyone read ABOVE TOP SECRET?
Suntop D DEARHEART: erm AITAN
Paul S. Cilwa: I have.
Sherri  : No.  Who wrote it?
Judith M.: Athena, no .  What is it about.
Athena  : Do you like it>
Suntop D DEARHEART: ...............
Vlad    : what's it about?
Suntop D DEARHEART: ....
:Aitan R/SL: Theresa, do you know one of the reasons why the
          etherial universe is expanding?
Paul S. Cilwa: Timothy Goode.
Suntop D DEARHEART: ..
Steve Gibbard: Timothy Good wrote it
Athena  : Paul Do you like it.
:Aitan R/SL: I meant in the forum Suntop.
Theresa : Tell me Aitan?
Paul S. Cilwa: I found it convincing, but boring.
:Aitan R/SL: Because conciousness expands.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Gee, I guess Dragonfly didn't agree.
Athena  : Wo uld it be a good topic?
Theresa : ok, and also because other universes collapse.
:Aitan R/SL: That is why when the physical universe slows
          down...
Theresa : A constant state of flux.
:Aitan R/SL: there will be a problem....
Judith M.: Athena, what is the book about?
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I'm just waiting for consciousness to
          expand. 
Paul S. Cilwa: Kind of nuts and bolts...could go a bit broader,
          tailored for this CO...."What effect does a UFO
          sighting have on perception?"
:Aitan R/SL: Because consiousness is always expanding.
Theresa : Ummm... wet pants, Paul?
Athena  : Conclusive proof that there is a global conspiracy to
          keep
Theresa : 
:Aitan R/SL: LOL!!
Vlad    : lol theresa
Paul S. Cilwa:  Theresa cuts to the heart of the matter once
          again.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: It opens the mind up, I would say, Paul. 
          That's just starters.
          What's the book called again?
Athena  : information on alien life and cfrats I mean crafts a
          secret from the common man
          .
Sherri  : This is all a bit above my head.  I'm pretty new to
          this
Paul S. Cilwa: Seeing ANYTHING "impossible" should expand one's
          perceptions...but doesn't always happen.
Bill Stevens: the universe is expanding because we are
          measuringit from one point and in only 4 dimensions..
Theresa : I think it at times does the opposite Paul,
Steve Gibbard: Some people close even further and denie the
          experience
Theresa : because of fear.
Paul S. Cilwa: Right.
Athena  : Paul would you agree
:Aitan R/SL: Its also expanding under the momentum of its birth
          explosion.
Athena  : with what I said
Paul S. Cilwa: How can we create an atmosphere...
          in which fear isn't necessary?
          In which people joyously accept the new?
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Theresa, you are absolutely correct about
          fear.
Theresa : Well, I think it is already starting in the younger
          generations.
Judith M.: Paul, are you saying that fear IS necesary?
:Aitan R/SL: Comfort and
          contentment....Understanding...compassion
          empathy
Steve Gibbard: Trust
Paul S. Cilwa: No, but it's common. I think it's harmful.
Theresa : Kids growing up with things like alien life around
          them.
          It will become the norm and no reason to fear it.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Judith, fear is what people need to overcome
          ...
          in order to really learn and evolve.
:Aitan R/SL: Trust based on an empathic understanding.
Theresa : It takes a while for old paradigms to die tho.
Paul S. Cilwa: Intolerance is one symptom of fear.
Judith M.: Mandy, true.
:Aitan R/SL: Very true
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Is that a hint, Paul? 
Paul S. Cilwa: Of aliens, ethnic groups...whatever.
Bill Stevens: fear is a natural response to anything quite
          new..it is avaluable response
Paul S. Cilwa: Just an observation, Mandy.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Yes, but often we let fear block ...
          our learning process.
          Fear of the unknown means that we ...
Athena  : I agree with Bill.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: don't try to learn anything about that
          unknown.
Paul S. Cilwa: Fear ALWAYS blocks learning.
Steve Gibbard: What about getting to the point when you don't
          respond, you just witness
Theresa : We cant even get rid of racial prejudice on earth,
          how can we expect not to have species prejudice.
Judith M.: Bill, I am a nurse.  I work with newborns.  They
          have few fears.  They are mostly curious.
Athena  : I don't think we should eliminate fear.
Sherri  : I believe people use the idea of intelligence to
          cover fear
Theresa : Good point Judith.
Athena  : It is a good instructor.
Judith M.: Sherri, what do you mean?
Theresa : Is fear a learned behavior then?
:Mandy Gershon/SL: No, Athena, not eliminate fear, just ...
Athena  : But we should not let it control us.
Bill Stevens: newborns have adults to protect them..but who
          protectsthe adults ?
:Mandy Gershon/SL: use it to our advantage.
Paul S. Cilwa: Don't confuse fear with caution.
:Aitan R/SL: Fear allows us to pause and analyse, but it is not
          supposed to be an inhibitive device.
Theresa : Or does it just take a while to show up.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I mean, not to control people, but to ...
          learn to overcome it and turn it into curiousity.
          Or that's what I *try* to do.
Sherri  : Many people believe the human race...
Carol   : Yes fear is a valuable response but italso prevenst
          us from reaching our fullpotential.
Sherri  : to be highly if not excessively intelligent.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: *If* we let it.
          LOL!
Athena  : I believe that where I use fear,you use caution Paul.
Judith M.: How can we be excessively intelligent?
Athena  : We mean the same thing.
:Aitan R/SL: It depends on the perspective you have on your
          instincts, especially those such as fear...
Carol   : That is the point we must not let it.
Paul S. Cilwa: Obviously you are not factoring Dan Quayle into
          that average, Sherri!
Bill Stevens: most of my friends are afraid of computers (gg)
Sherri  : They use this to discount the theory of life
          elsewhere.
Judith M.: Paul, LOL
:Mandy Gershon/SL: LOL, Bill!
Sherri  : They are actually afraid of the unknown, and afraid
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Have you noticed that people who are not ...
:Aitan R/SL: If you see yourself as a multitude of tools
          designed to aid your growth...
:Mandy Gershon/SL: so afraid of computers learn them faster?
Sherri  : of finding out that "we" are not all that they think
          we are.
Athena  : Paul he is a bird brain
:Aitan R/SL: then you are half way there:)
Judith M.: Mandy, that is a good point and very true.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Sherri, the funny thing is, we are *more*
          than we ...
          think we are.
Paul S. Cilwa: On behalf of birds everywhere, Athena, I am
          insulted. 
:Mandy Gershon/SL: LOL, Paul!!!
          At least birds can fly!
:Aitan R/SL: Bill does it prevent them from even finding out
          that their not such a task to use
          ?
Sherri  : I believe that there are many things in this universe
          that we
Paul S. Cilwa: Well, Quayle can buy first class air tickets.
Sherri  : do not know about, and many things about ourselves
          that
Judith M.: Has anyone else read the Sci-Fi story "Danny goes to
          Mars"?
Sherri  : we have yet to discover.
Athena  : Paul I dwould not say that. After all, he was smart
          enough to sit on a bush :)
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Sherri, I have devoted my life to discvering
          myself. 
          I believed for most of my life ...
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Glen :) Welcome to my fun house :)
:Mandy Gershon/SL: that improving myself as a human being was
          what ...
Carol   : Exactly science does not knoweverything.  They are
          only just beginning.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: life was all about.
Paul S. Cilwa: Oooh, Athena!
Carol   : So it is a great loss if we discrediteverything that
          science can not prove.
:Aitan R/SL: Science is in a way a manifestation of fear.....
Sherri  : Mandy, what do you believe now?
Paul S. Cilwa: True, Carol. But we should not assume science
          knows NOTHING, either.
Judith M.: How so, Aitan?
Paul S. Cilwa: Good point, Aitan!
:Aitan R/SL: It is used to create comfortable theories upon
          which to sit...
Paul S. Cilwa: And mask our ignorance.
Sherri  : Excellent, Aitan
:Aitan R/SL: Once theories are substaniated by physics and
          mathematics...
Carol   : No, they are making progress.  But howcan we know
          everything about theuniverse.
:Aitan R/SL: they no longer need exploration...
Judith M.: Yes, and the theories change to mask our fears?
Vlad    : SCience only goes as far as we can observe
Athena  : But we must remember that the principles that govern
          this demension do not govern all dimensions.
Paul S. Cilwa: We delude ourselves into believing we are in
          control.
:Aitan R/SL: we now see that physical equations do break down.
Sherri  : We must open our minds and be willing to accept
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Sprru. Sjerro. gpt dostracted jere/
Sherri  : what we don't understand
:Mandy Gershon/SL: SjSorry!
:Aitan R/SL: Exactly Athena.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Wrong keys. 
Theresa : Yes Mandy, what you said.
:Aitan R/SL: And we are not uni-dimmesional creatures.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Sherri, I believe that I'm here to
          constantly ...
Theresa : 
:Mandy Gershon/SL: work on improving myself as a human being.
          LOL, Theresa!
Athena  : So that that scientific principles  which are
          applicable to this reality many not be applicable to
          other realities.
Bill Stevens: why should I accept what I don't understand ?
          soundslike a recipe for anarchy
Paul S. Cilwa: They may not even be applicable at all points in
          THIS reality!
:Aitan R/SL: Humans have the inbuilt ability to shift from the
          lowest forms of existence to the highest....
Judith M.: Bill, we already accept what we don't understand.
:Aitan R/SL: although the higher forms...
Sherri  : We don't understand how aliens can travel to our
          world
Athena  : You know there is a branch of physic that studies
          choas
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Bill, are you referring to science?
Paul S. Cilwa: What's wrong with anarchy, Bill?
:Aitan R/SL: can not be achieved without leaving the body
Bill Stevens: speak for yourself !
Athena  : Bill
Paul S. Cilwa: It's a lot cheaper than government!
Sherri  : and yet true believers know they do.  People need to
          accept it
Carol   : The mistake the human race is making
Judith M.: Athena, chaos theory is fascinating.
Theresa : One of the problems is that we tend to measure the
          world around us in terms of the physical senses. This
          is actually necessary for
:Aitan R/SL: Chaos is wonderful
:Mandy Gershon/SL: <--- growling at Paul re anarchy. 
Carol   : is that it assumes itself to be the center ofthe
          universe.
Bill Stevens: anarchy gives me a headache..and doesn't help
          mybehind either
Theresa : interaction, however it narrows our minds field of
          sight.
Vlad    : yes Athena, order of disorder.
:Aitan R/SL: It forces understanding as opposed to knowledge.
Paul S. Cilwa: Oh, come on, Mandy! You're a bigger fan of
          anarchy than I am, up there in Alaska to get away from
          the "Feds"!
:Aitan R/SL: Knowledge is static...understanding is dynamic
          sherri...
:Mandy Gershon/SL: True, I don't like the feds, but ...
          Alaska isn't an anarchy.  It's more ...
Timothy J. Shaffer: hmmm...must be informal tonight. 
:Aitan R/SL: The come in many ways
:Mandy Gershon/SL: democratic.  We vote on more issues ...
          than you Lower 48ers.   Problem ...
:Aitan R/SL: they come in many ways
:Mandy Gershon/SL: down there is overcrowding.
Athena  : You know it seems to me that our present day
          scientists are in a parrellel place to those who
          denounce Copernicus for say the Earch
Paul S. Cilwa: The problem EVERYWHERE is overcrowding.
Carol   : I would love to see Alaska Mandy.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Exactly, paul.  Anchorage is *way* too big
          already.
Athena  : I mean the Earth revolves around the sun
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I'm sure you would enjoy it, Carol.
          It gives one a real feeling of freedom.
          In more ways than one. 
Sherri  : Aitan,  I agree, but most are not willing to accept
Judith M.: Athena, this is true.  But like the ones around
          Copernicus, they will have to face reality eventually.
Paul S. Cilwa: Are you sure about that, Athena? Howard Stern
          thinks it revolves around HIM.
Carol   : Except one thing.  I want  the warmth ofthe Caribean
          and the beauty of Alaska.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: LOL!!!!
          Good one, Paul!  Can you believe he ran for NY
          governor or mayor?
Timothy J. Shaffer: (I thought it revolved around me) :(
Athena  : So does Madonna  Paul.
Carol   : That's why I like arizona.
          A large portion of it is still wild and free.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Carol, Interior Alaska gets 75-80 degree
          weather.
Paul S. Cilwa: Arizona! yEAH!
Athena  : Maybe we should play matchmaker with those two.
Carol   : But not for 10 months of the year.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Hell, no!
Sherri  : Anyone here think Nebraska has crappy weather?
:Aitan R/SL: hi Rune
Vlad    : but there's no ocean in Arizona, yet.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Try 3 months, if lucky. 
Dave Nicoll: Its 105 here in AZ today folks!
Athena  : Mandy
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Eeeek, gads, Dave!
Rune Master: Good Evening Lords and Ladies.
Athena  : what are you talking about
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I'd be melted.
Carol   : Oh Dave you know that breaks my heart.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Ah, the Rune Master!
Theresa : I used to live in Az. Dave.
Dave Nicoll: I know!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I have an interest in runes.
Theresa : In Sierra Vista.
Dave Nicoll: YOu too, Theresa?
Sherri  : I see this has switched from chaos to weather (smile)
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Bet no one here knew that. 
Paul S. Cilwa: Eastern Arizona, South Rim. The aliens told me
          to move there.
Carol   : I can hardly stand winter in Chicago.
Rune Master: try your best ..
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Okay.
:Aitan R/SL: Dave...I din't even see you walk in!!
Rune Master: I realize it's difficult.
Athena  : About the size of North America. :)
Theresa : Yeah, by the Hauchuca mountains, Paul.
:Glen Miller/SL: Vance Davis lives in Mesa AZ - that must be
          fairly safe
:Mandy Gershon/SL: As I recall, there was one that looked like
          ...
Theresa : Beautiful area.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: ^ in the center,
          except it was more of a wave, and it was ...
Carol   : I joined USSA Dave.
Sherri  : I am really missing most of this. Do you know how I
          can catch up?
Athena  : Bye all. Will be bake
Dave Nicoll: Aitan: I didn't want to interrupt the logical flow
          of the conversation!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: connected to the same, except it was
          backwards.
Athena  : I mean back
:Mandy Gershon/SL: ><
Paul S. Cilwa: Slim chance of that, Dave!
Dave Nicoll: Carol: Good.  See you there!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Like those, only overstriked and rotated
          sideways.
Sherri  : Bye Athena
Athena  : (F   bG)
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Bye, Athena!
Rune Master: Mandy ..thats Dagaz..
          Mp Athena !
:Aitan R/SL: No prob Dave, your always a welcome face :)
Athena  : =fairly big gigle
:Aitan R/SL: Bye Athena
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I thought it meant a combination of EA.
          It seemed that's how Ozzy Osbourne used it.
:Aitan R/SL: Come again :)
Rune Master: The Rune of Breakthrough.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I have runes, and the book, tho they're not
          here. 
Paul S. Cilwa: I have to duck out for a bit--I'm putting a new
          Ethernet card in my computer. Hopefully I'll be back
          before you all are gone.
Rune Master: LOL !! ozzy did a lot of things..
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Oh, geez, Paul.
:Aitan R/SL: Good Luck!!!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: You know how that stuff goes!
          Good luck!
Rune Master: Ether you will or you wont !
Sherri  : Have fun Paul
:Aitan R/SL: LOL!!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Yeah, he did, Rune.  You klnow which album
Rune Master: take care Paul
:Mandy Gershon/SL: I'm talking about then, right?
Paul S. Cilwa: It shouldn't be too bad a problem. The clearing
          my desk so I can open the computer is the real hassle.
Vlad    : good luck, Paul
:Aitan R/SL: Dave, anything new this week?
Timothy J. Shaffer: been there, Paul . 
Rune Master: no not really ..I'm a classical buff.
Paul S. Cilwa: Thanks, all! See you soon!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Oh.  Well, he wrote the border of his double
          ...
Rune Master: I did listen to him for a while ..
:Mandy Gershon/SL: album with runes after his lead guitarist,
          ...
          Randy Rhoads was killed.  It ...
          was a tribute to him.
Rune Master: Right Randy Rhodes..
Theresa : I have to go pick my daughter up from work, will be
          back in a bit.
Sherri  : Bye Theresa
:Aitan R/SL:  Dave!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Drive safely, Theresa!
Dave Nicoll: AItan: I saw Lilith for a micro second one
          evening.  Shes OK.
Rune Master: MP Theresa..
Theresa : Then we'll talk knowlege and things...
Jolly   : Hello.
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Jolly!!!
:Mandy Gershon/SL: OKay, T!
:Aitan R/SL: Good Dave.
Jolly   : Hey Bud!
:Aitan R/SL: When/where di you see her?
Rune Master: Mand .what specifically did you want to know??
:Aitan R/SL: Everyone's been worried about her?
Dave Nicoll: On this forum - she was downloading some stuff
          late at night (for her)
Steve Gibbard: What happened to Lilith?
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Jolly, Enjoying the day?
Dave Nicoll: SHe's E coast time - i'm W coast
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Rune, guess I'm coinfused as to what symbols
          are ...
          used for combinations of letters.
          Or are there any?
:Aitan R/SL: Me too (West Coast)
Jolly   : Aitan> Yeah. I'm doing pretty good.
Rune Master: yep..lots of em.
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Visitor!
Dave Nicoll: If we're gonna talk about Runes, how about Rune
          MAster gives us the 25 word explanation of what they
          are?
Sherri  : Hello!  I' don't want to be rude, but are we going to
:Aitan R/SL: Welcome to Section 18 - the Mind
Sherri  : be discussing anything inparticular soon?
:Aitan R/SL: I was just thinking that Sherri
Carol   : Has anyone had any psychicexperiences this week?
:Aitan R/SL: Has everyone had a quiet week?
Sherri  : Maybe we could start up another topic
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Every day, I guess, Carol. 
Carol   : I have had a boaring week.
Rune Master: Okie Dokie..
:Mandy Gershon/SL: A friend of mine and I often just do that ..
Carol   : I wasn't trying though.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: guessing anumber game.
Sherri  : The extent of my psychic experiences amounts to "deja
          vu"
Carol   : Mandy do you ever have visions?
Rune Master: Runes: RUNES ARE A SYMBOLIC LANGUAGE USED
          FORDIVINITION AS WELL AS
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Not too often.
Sherri  : What kind of visions?
Rune Master: INVOCATION OF CERTAIN SPELLS BOTH OFFENSIVEAND
          DEFENSIVE
Carol   : I do, but they kind of come and go.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: They vary.  Uusally I get feelings.
          Listen, I'm not feeling too well,
Sherri  : Hey Rune Master, You're yelling!
Carol   : Sometimes major things some timessmall.
:Mandy Gershon/SL: so I'm going to go.
Carol   : Yeh I get feelings to.
Rune Master: RUNES ALSO DO NOT GIVE AN EXACT ANWSER ,THEYLEAD
          YOU TWARDS THE RIGHT PATH TO TAKE.
Sherri  : Take care Mandy
Rune Master: oops....sorry
:Mandy Gershon/SL: You, too, Sherri, thanks.
Carol   : Oh, I did a good one on my boyfriend acouple of weeks
          ago.
Steve Gibbard: Get well Mandy
Sherri  : It was nice meeting you Mandy
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Will do, Steve!
Timothy J. Shaffer: drink many fluids, Mandy. 
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Nice meeting you, too, Sherri.
Carol   : Bye Mandy.
:Aitan R/SL: Bye Mandy See you soon
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Right on, Tim, trying to.
Vlad    : take care mandy
:Mandy Gershon/SL: Bye, Aitan!
          Bye, Vlad!
          Bye, Glen!
Timothy J. Shaffer: (not the alcoholic ones) 
:Mandy Gershon/SL: LOL!  No, I don't drink that much anyway.
Dave Nicoll: RUNE MASTER If they are a symbolic language, how
          are they used?
Sherri  : Ok.  Is this conference over or what?
Carol   : I don't think it is.
:Aitan R/SL: Sherri.....Deja Vu's...you don't think much of
          them do you?
Sherri  : Ok. Just making sure
Dave Nicoll: FOLKS: I invited Rune Master to talk about RUNES
          and you've been ignoring him
Vlad    : when the fat lady sings, sherri
Rune Master: The symbols are inturripted .
Dave Nicoll: He's just given you the intro!
Sherri  : No, No, No.  I am open to many ideas.
Rune Master: LOL !!
          no not ignorring ..free flowin ideas are great !
          Ienjoy bein with so many free and thinking people !
          it's rather refreshing !
Dave Nicoll: You're in the right crowd then!
:Aitan R/SL: :)
Sherri  : It's refreshing to me to be with people who don't
          think your nuts
Vlad    : have you seen any UFO runes?
          Rune Master?
Dave Nicoll: SO explain; are Runes associated with objects,
          like symbols on Tarot cards or suchlike?
Sherri  : Hey Aitan, what do you think of deja vu's
Rune Master: Nope ..Whis I did ..
:Aitan R/SL: I thought runes were limited to classical symbols?
Timothy J. Shaffer: well, the will is there, but the body is
          trashed from two plus hours of raquetball. 
          take care, everyone. 
Rune Master: Almost dave ...
:Aitan R/SL: Deja Vu's are instances where time divides...
Sherri  : Later Timothy
Vlad    : bye Tim
:Aitan R/SL: Bye tim :)
          Cya Soon
Rune Master: Runes allow us a chance to comm. with our higher
          self.
:Aitan R/SL: you feel echoes of your conciousness dividing...
Timothy J. Shaffer: sure thing...later.
Dave Nicoll: How do you do THAT?
Rune Master: When casting runes , you open a doorway .
:Aitan R/SL: deja Vu's often occur when we are upon a
          significant division in the paths of our lives.
Rune Master: a door to a highe thinking , you enter the moment.
Dave Nicoll: How do you cast a rune, then?
Sherri  : I apparently know nothing of runes.  That
          conversation is beyondme
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Erik!
:Erik Funderburk: Hello folks :)
Vlad    : neither do I, sherri
Rune Master: Well ther are many techs.
Sherri  : I always thought deja vu's were insights into the
          future
Rune Master: it would take hours ..but I like the one rune
          casting best.
elizabeth raver: Hello all :>
Tracy D.: And I thought that they had to do with the past.
:Aitan R/SL: Rune's are like casting Tarot Cards in a way I
          guess, correct me if I'm wrong.
Rune Master: this is wherer you draw on rune out of the bag
          andmeditate on it .
Vlad    : hi elizabeth
:Aitan R/SL: Liz!!
Sherri  : For example, I know that I "pictured" a meeting with
          my father
Tracy D.: As in Past lives.
Rune Master: RIGHT ON !!
Sherri  : exactly the way it happened long before it happened
:Erik Funderburk: ?
elizabeth raver: Hello Vlad :> Hi Aitan!!!
Dave Nicoll: HI Liz
Rune Master: tarot give you a more direct anwser though ..
:Aitan R/SL: Erik?
elizabeth raver: Hello David......:-D
Rune Master: the runes give guidence or a path so to speake.
:Aitan R/SL: Perhaps Runes allow you to really read from your
          personality, more than tarots.
Sherri  : Welcome Elizabeth
Rune Master: AHHHH !! on call page !!
elizabeth raver: Hi there Sherri
:Aitan R/SL: Erik Just jump in.
Rune Master: right ..well must be going ..
elizabeth raver: :>
Rune Master: MP aLL
Theresa : Hi.
Dave Nicoll: See you later, RM.  Thanks.
:Ann M. Fischer/SL: Hi.
Rune Master: Walk In Light !!!
Tracy D.: Sherri, wouldn't that be pre-cog?
Steve Gibbard: See you RM
Vlad    : just when you were getting there, Rune
elizabeth raver: Hi Theresa :>
:Aitan R/SL: G'night Rune, Come again eh?
Sherri  : I don't understand the thought of deja's being past
          visions
elizabeth raver: Ann Hi there :>
:Ann M. Fischer/SL: Hi elizabeth!
Tracy D.: Like you've been there before. As in a past life.
Sherri  : Probably pre-cog, but more like when your in the
          situation you justknow you've seen it before
:Ann M. Fischer/SL: Hi Aitan!
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Ann! What a wonderful surprise!
          Tracy!!
:Ann M. Fischer/SL: Didn't mean to interrupt... my pleasure.
Sherri  : But, seeing my father, my real father in a past life
elizabeth raver: Hasn't everyone here experienced a "deja vu"?
Vlad    : how long after the Deja Vu, did it actually occur?
          sherri
Tracy D.: That's interesting, Sherri. I guess unless you've
          proven past life then it could be future visions. I
          had never thought of it that way.
:Aitan R/SL: Like I said Sherri, You feel echoes as your path
          divides.
Steve Gibbard: Yes, I think its one thing almost everyone
          experiences
Sherri  : I don't remember.  I believe I just knew it when I
          got there that the"dream" or "vision" I'd had in the
          past was actually happening
:Aitan R/SL: One is significantly distant for there to be a
          time delay.
elizabeth raver: Yes Steve i agree
Tracy D.: I'm sorry, Hi Aitan!!! I was so caught up in the
          thought that I didn't read the screen. :)
:Aitan R/SL: Me either!!!
:Ann M. Fischer/SL: Hi Tracy!
Sherri  : I guess I really don't understand Aitan
Tracy D.: Hi Ann!!!
elizabeth raver: I have read but don't necessarily agree that
          there's chemical explanation
          for deja vu
          That the brain is repeating chemical sequence(s)
Vlad    : I've had one where I thought I dreamt it, and occured
          an hour or twoafter I woke up
Sherri  : Well everyone has probably heard this, but...
:Aitan R/SL: Perhaps then it is a combination of pre-cog and
          division
elizabeth raver: that it experienced in the past
Theresa : Some groups, such as Psicops, has a chemical
          explanation for everything.
          But their explanations fall short.
:Aitan R/SL: Have you read the definitions of PSICOP
Sherri  : the way my mother explained it to me at the time is
          that your brainkind of stops for a moment making you
          think you've been therebefore
:Aitan R/SL: Its in one of the libraries.
elizabeth raver: Ther: This was pure psycholical science stuff
          like rat labs etc
Steve Gibbard: I think it may be, that you are crossing a
          "blueprint" in part of your life and it kind of just
          echoes are you are crossing a line
Theresa : How can they tell if rats have deja vu?
          
:Aitan R/SL: There are alot of explanations. I'm glad to hear
          that everyone wonders what they are.
          That's kinda how I see it Steve.
Steve Gibbard: as you are crossing a line I mean
elizabeth raver: Ther: U can't!! LOL Good point ROFL
Sherri  : I think it just shows that we don't know everything
          and we must beopen to all possibilitie
:Aitan R/SL: As your path divides.
:Ann M. Fischer/SL: LOL Theresa!!  BTW - Hi!
Theresa : Personally I think time is a variable, rather than a
          constant, thats why these things can happen.
          Time isn't a straight line.
          but a swirling tangled mess.
:Aitan R/SL: Most definately Sherri...But it is not the
          specific fact that we must explore, but an
          understanding and "feel" for the concept.
Tracy D.: I agree. That's why a deja vu could be a past or a
          present vision.
Theresa : Thats right Tracy.
Steve Gibbard: Has anyone jumped forward or backward in time?
Sherri  : No jumping for me
Carol   : Through visions yes.
:Aitan R/SL: Hmmm...That's a good question.
Carol   : Physically no.
Steve Gibbard: Was it a vision of yourself?
elizabeth raver: Images only
Theresa : In an NDE I have Steve.
Vlad    : no, just found myself going thru the motions of
          samething seconds later.
Carol   : On some occasions yes, others involvedexternal
          events.
Theresa : Thats what made me look differently at time.
Tracy D.: Deja vu's I jump back. I think my jumping forward is
          more pre-cog.
elizabeth raver: Ther: When did u have a NDE?
Theresa : In childbirth with my youngest.
Sherri  : I guess I don't think of deja's as time jumping
Theresa : 16 years ago now.
Carol   : I have a belief that a vision of the future isan out
          of body experience.
elizabeth raver: What happened if u don't mind my asking?
Steve Gibbard: Did you go forward Theresa?
Carol   : In which you not only travel throughspace but time as
          well.
          Me Elizabeth.
Topper  : hi all, what's going on?
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Topper!!
elizabeth raver: Carol: I am not sure what u mean by "me
          Elizabeth" :>
Sherri  : Gotta go everyone.  Thanks for letting me join in.
          The other halfcalls...
elizabeth raver: Bye Sherri
Steve Gibbard: Bye Sherri
Vlad    : bye Sherri
Carol   : You asked What happened.  Me orTheresa?
Topper  : bye sherri
Theresa : I went all different directions. I was in it for
          years, but physically it only took a few minutes to
          revive me according to the dr.
Vlad    : you're not alone in your feelings.
elizabeth raver: Oh I am sorry I was asking Theresa about her
          NDE
Theresa : I didn't see the fancy tunnel like most people
          report.
elizabeth raver: Ther: wow....did u see "the light" and that
          sort of thing?
Carol   : No need to be sorry.
Theresa : Guess I missed that part of the tour.
elizabeth raver: U typed faster than me Ther!! LOL
Theresa : But I did see the light, however it was always behind
          me.
elizabeth raver: Thank u Carol
          Ther: That's interesting
Steve Gibbard: People do say "my life flashed before my eyes"
Theresa : Kept pushing me towards my body, which I could see
          below the whole time.
Steve Gibbard: Often in NDE's
Carol   : Were you able to travel like OBETheresa?
Theresa : I saw the life flash thing Steve.
elizabeth raver: What did u see below u Ther?
:Aitan R/SL: Welcome to the Mind - Section 18's weekly CO. Here
          we search out the miniscule mysteries that we all
          passed by and didn't stop to look.
Dave Nicoll: How did you feel about the life review?
Theresa : Sort of Carol, but it wasn't like people describe.
elizabeth raver: Aitan: LOL
Carol   : No your soul was just free.
Vlad    : :-) aitan
Theresa : I have difficulty describing it because there aren't
          the word for it.
:Aitan R/SL: Just the truth:)
Carol   : A light wonderful feeling?
Theresa : Yes, Carol, and
          I felt the knowledge.
SPOOKY  : hi
Theresa : All the knowledge of everything.
          and everyone.
Steve Gibbard: Did you want to get back into your body?
jenny   : hello
Carol   : Yes their is knowledge and sight of manythings.
Dave Nicoll: Did you retain any?
elizabeth raver: Ther: Very interesting....
Theresa : No, but the light was always pushing me towards my
          body.
jenny   : sorry to interupt, but what is the topic?
Dave Nicoll: Theresa: many people return with residual psychic
          powers; did you?
elizabeth raver: Dave: good question
Theresa : In a way I did retain Dave. I became obsesively
          curious.
          I wanted to learn everything from physics to medicine.
Dave Nicoll: How did the life review affect you?
:Aitan R/SL: Hi Jenny...
Theresa : The life review was like layers, all ontop of each
          other.
elizabeth raver: Welcome Jenny :>
Topper  : hi jen
Theresa : as if it all happened at once.
:Aitan R/SL: Currently the topic is NDE's or Near death
          experiences
jenny   : thanks :)
:Aitan R/SL: Welcome always :)
jenny   : ok, then i have a question
          oopd, nevermind
Theresa : Like I said some is difficult to describe as there
          arent words for it.
Dave Nicoll: People say you feel the emotionsand feelings you
          casued in others
          the good and the bad
jenny   : who here hs had a NDE?
:Aitan R/SL: Whenevr you feel is best, just say it Jenny :)
jenny   : and what was it like?
SPOOKY  : has anyone here read "Embraced by the light"?
jenny   : I know you must have already been through this
Dave Nicoll: Yes
Theresa : oops, sorry.
:Aitan R/SL: Hey Spooky.
jenny   : I have!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SPOOKY  : hi aitan
elizabeth raver: Jenny: Theresa was just talking about her NDE
Theresa : Did I miss a question someone asked me.
elizabeth raver: What happend Jenny?
SPOOKY  : i thought that was a really good book
Topper  : what if an NDE is really just a form of
          unconsious,temporary insanity?  (not to call you
          crazy)
Theresa : I hit esc by accident, popped to the lobby. 
jenny   : That book has changed my whole perspective on life
elizabeth raver: There: Jenny was just asking if anyone has had
          a NDE and I gave u credit
          :>
          Hope ya' don't mind :>
jenny   : ahh thanks :)
Theresa : Could be but I was able to tell the doctors what they
          did during the time I was dead.
:Aitan R/SL: Jenny was asking what NDE's were like.
Theresa : Even the nurses in the hall outside the room.
          
jenny   : so you leaved your body?> Teresa
Dave Nicoll: One of the most profound realizations that comes
          from NDE's
elizabeth raver: There: Except that there are suppossed to be
          certain drugs that can
Dave Nicoll: is that we dont die
elizabeth raver: cause similar psychic abilities
Dave Nicoll: Reincarnation is not an accepted fact by
          most conventional religions
Theresa : Yes, Dave, and that we are not just a body and mind,
          but something much more.
elizabeth raver: Ther: Traveling Brain Chemicals!!! ROFL
Carol   : :)
          :)
Steve Gibbard: Only our bodies die,  we continue.
Topper  : I believe Hinduism accepts reincarnation.
Dave Nicoll: Correct
elizabeth raver: Dave: WHOSE conventional religion?  Not
          everyone is from a Judo-Christian
          background
          :>
Theresa : Separate  entities, the body and the soul.
jenny   : Theresa: did you see what was beyond Earth when
          youexperienced it?
:Aitan R/SL: I think more and more, things like this are
          getting accepted.
jenny   : or life
Theresa : No, I could not turn around, jenny. The light
          wouldn't let me.
elizabeth raver: Sorry all but I am only flying through with my
          broomstick quickly tonight
Dave Nicoll: Moslems, Christians and Jews constitute the
          majority of the worlds religious populations, l
          believe Liz
Theresa : Apparently it wasn't suppose to be my time.
Steve Gibbard: Definatley Aitan
elizabeth raver: I have toget up very early tomorrow :>
          So Good night all
Theresa : Nice to see you elizabeth.
jenny   : good night
Dave Nicoll: Goodnight Liz
Vlad    : but don't they believe reincarnating as animals,
          also? topper
Theresa : Night.
Steve Gibbard: Bye Liz!
SPOOKY  : bye elizabeth
elizabeth raver: Thank u Ther
Carol   : Goodnight Elizabeth
Vlad    : bye elizabeth
:Aitan R/SL: Good nIght Liz, thanks for droppin in :)
jenny   : awww, dosnt Liz feel loved :)
elizabeth raver: Jenny, Steve, Spooky, Carol, Vlad, Aitan  Good
          night and thank u
          Aitan :>
          See u all next week !!
Dave Nicoll: You missed ME Liz!
:Aitan R/SL: Back at ya :)
elizabeth raver: Over and out********
Vlad    : that was a mouthfull
elizabeth raver: I am sorry David!!!
Dave Nicoll: You SHOULD be!
elizabeth raver: What was that about amouthful Vlad!!! LOL
          :>
Dave Nicoll: Goodnight 
Topper  : I'm lost so I'm gonna sign off, bye all
elizabeth raver: I'm sorry....
Theresa : lost?
jenny   : Theresa> What were you feeling as you "died"
elizabeth raver: Good night Dave
jenny   : ?
SPOOKY  : bye topper
:Aitan R/SL: Bye Topper
Theresa : I didn't know that I had died. It was almost as if I
          was someone else.
:Aitan R/SL: Sorry, where did we lose you?
          Or your true, full self?
jenny   : did you recognize yourself?
Theresa : I had a high fever and lost conciousness so I felt no
          pain.
Steve Gibbard: You become dis-indentified with your personality
          I think
Theresa : When the doctor asked for adrenalin it seemed like it
          took him a year to say it. 
          Like slow motion.
Vlad    : did you feel you were in someone else's body,
          Theresa?
Theresa : No, just sort  of floating.
jenny   : has anyone had an out of body experience?
:Aitan R/SL: That would be because you vibrate at your natural
          frequency which is much higher than corporeal
          existence.
Theresa : I knew that was my body below but not a feeling like
          it was me.
:Aitan R/SL: Yes, I have.
          Jenny
Theresa : Not like when I look in a mirror and know thats me.
          Its so hard to  explain.
jenny   : what is it like when you BEGIN to leave your body
          Aitan?
          Im wondering if I had one
          or the beginning of one
:Aitan R/SL: If only you could send us the "feeling" Theresa,
          it would say so much more.
          You twist out, Iguess...
          Once again hard to describe.
Theresa : Yeah, I really think it is something that needs to be
          experienced, Aitan, to be truly understood.
jenny   : I ask that because................
          I had a "dream" and I saw my body and had
          thisoverwehling feeling comeover me.........
:Aitan R/SL: A shared mind can experience it remotely...we just
          have to learn to send these emotional representations
          of experience.
jenny   : it was so intense........
:Aitan R/SL: It is intense.
jenny   : and I felt like I was either going deeper inside me
          or out ofme
          I was scared, but I wanted to go though it
          whatever IT was
:Aitan R/SL: Wherever you chose to go, you "pull" yourself, if
          that makes sense.
jenny   : but it ended
          yes, pull
:Aitan R/SL: Its like succeeding to pull your feet off the
          ground when you are standing in them. (Ever tried
          that)
          Most kids wonder why they can't do it...
          Wonder where they get the idea from.
jenny   : I was thinking at the time that my eyes were supossed
          tobe closed but I was able to keep them open
:Aitan R/SL: Funny how childhood can be a discovery of just how
          limited you are in your new body.
          By your soul doesn't have eyelids.
          You can feel and sense everything around you.
jenny   : then maybe it was the begining of something else...
Carol   : When OBE you feel as well as seeeverything.
:Aitan R/SL: in one go, there is no problem comprehending
          everything
jenny   : like feeling myself falling asleep
Carol   : none at all.
:Aitan R/SL: Maybe not Jenny.
Carol   : It is the most beautiful thing there  is.
:Aitan R/SL: If you're OOBE, you're OOBE
jenny   : ok :)
:Aitan R/SL: Depends how much you get into it.
jenny   : I didnt get far in whatever I was doing
:Aitan R/SL: You probably did feel the beginning, but when you
          realised, you pulled yourself back in.
          Hey Tim
Tim     : Hey :-D
Dave Nicoll: I have to leave right now.  Goodnight all.  Thanks
          for the chat!
          More next week!
jenny   : goodnight Dave
SPOOKY  : bye dave
Carol   : Bye Dave.
Steve Gibbard: Cya Dave
:Aitan R/SL: Good Night Dave, It was a pleasure as always :)
jenny   : is Theresa still here?
Vlad    : bye Dave
Dave Nicoll: Bye all :-)
Theresa : Night Dve/
          eer Dave.
:Aitan R/SL: I think I'm going to wrap this up anyways.
Theresa : Yes jenny.
Vlad    : so when you approach OBE you vibrate at your natural
          frequency,Aitan?
:Aitan R/SL: Any objections...You can all still stay...
jenny   : just one question..
Theresa : Sort of, making out checks for bills too.
          Bleck.
:Aitan R/SL: When you are OOBE you vibrate at your natural
          Vibration.
jenny   : do you have any new perspectives of Death of life
          now?
          Theresa
:Aitan R/SL: As you evolve as a spirit, you vibration
          increases.
Theresa : I don't fear death, and I look at life very
          differently.
          It also changed my personality.
jenny   : :)
Theresa : I seldom get upset about anything.
:Aitan R/SL: :)
Theresa : An I am constantly curious.
jenny   : cool, Im jealous
Theresa : I would become a professional student if i could!
          I want that knowlegde that I experienced.
:Aitan R/SL: You're learning too Jenny.
Theresa : It was the greatest feeling.
:Aitan R/SL: The feeling can lead to more than anything a
          school can teach you theresa.
SPOOKY  : i have a question, it may be dumb: who's Jenny?
Vlad    : a feeling is worth 100000000000000000 words!
Theresa : That's jenny------>
Steve Gibbard: It's experienced which is quite different from
          being taught.
:Aitan R/SL: I guess she left 
SPOOKY  : oh
:Aitan R/SL: Feelings and understanding are the only continuous
          factors between lives
Carol   : Some people feel  that going OBE isdangerous.  But I
          would recommend itany time.
Vlad    : I'll be trying.
Carol   : I don't feel there is much danger in it.
:Aitan R/SL: Your soul basically is made up of experience as
          emotional energy.
SPOOKY  : are there things you can do to make yourself have an
          OOBE?
Carol   : Most definitely.
SPOOKY  : what are they?
:Aitan R/SL: Like we said last week, it depends where you go
          and whether you have a purpose. Wandering is dangerous
SPOOKY  : oh,
Carol   : Like I do, wandering.
:Aitan R/SL:  Be Careful Carol.
Steve Gibbard: Can you get lost?
SPOOKY  : where are some places yo ucan go? or does where you
          go depend on the person
Carol   : I couldn't resist.
          It is a very affordable form of travel.:)
:Aitan R/SL: Not so much lost, but without a direction you get
          noticed
          Depends what you want Spooky.
          Very true Carol.
          :)
Vlad    : lol Carol