Don DeGracia's OBE CO #8 - Last CO - Wrap up and summary
********** 6/28/94 9:58 PM Forum CO
R 12 : *SYSTEM* | Switching to Dreams/Mind/ESP
Don DeGracia | Well, should I do my spew for tonight?...
| Then the 3 of us can sit around and gab.
Patricia L. Harper | ok
Denis | Sure! It's your show!
Don DeGracia | Ok then, lets do it....
| Well, tonight is the final CO for this class.
| I will...
| summarize what I've tried to teach you here
| and ...
| make some final comments...
| First, we learned the theory of OBEs/astral
| projection/..
| lucid dreaming. We have seen how each of
| these terms
| stems ...
| from a different view of the world but that
| each term...
Michael Pagano | hello
Don DeGracia | refers to essentially the exact same
| experience...
| *
| Second, we have studied two techniques by
| which...
| to achieve OBEs: becoming lucid in a dream or
| by..
| going into trance. Again, the message is: no
| matter...
| what method you choose - stick to it!
| Practice is the...
| key to success....
| *
| Third, we studied what happens in the OBE
| state and
| in...
| the OBE realm...
| *
| Now, my final comments. These are the
| thoughts I feel
| are...
| most important and are the thoughts I would
| like to...
| close the class with:..
| *
| 1. OBEs/astral projections/lucid dreams are
| very...
| closely related to your normal dreams. Study
| your...
| dreams and in doing so, you will be setting
| the stage...
| to achieve OBEs/projections....
| *
| 2. OBEs are not a science. Presently there
| are a
| variety...
Don DeGracia | of ways to understand OBEs: occult views,...
| parapsychological views, psychology views.
| Each...
| of these views has its own validity. Each is
| worth...
| learning and thinking about. The best you
| can do is...
| to be OPEN MINDED as you learn more and more
| about...
| the nature of this experience. Keep your
| mind open...
| and don't stop trying to learn. There is
| always more...
| to learn. Never make the mistake of thinking
| you...
| know it all...
| *
Don DeGracia | 3. LEARN TO OBE. Talk is cheap and actions
| speak...
| For all the pages and pages of debate, for
| all the talk...
| and theorizing, the fundamental fact remains
| that...
| OBEs/projections are something you can learn
| to do...
| for yourself. Learn to do it, then see which
| views best
| fit...
| your experiences. Or perhaps you will
| experience...
| things completely unique that no one has
| ever..
| described before...
| *
| Finally, I want to say "thank you" to
| everybody that
| has...
| participated in this workshop. It is because
| of you that...
| this has been a success. And I want to wish
| all of you...
| the best of luck as you each progress on
| your...
| individual quests for self-discovery....
| So, as Porky Pig says....
| "That's all folks!"
| Well, here we are....
| what do you two want to talk about?
| Pat, do you want to add anything to all this
| for the
| record?
| GA
Patricia L. Harper | me????
Denis |
Don DeGracia | But of course!
Patricia L. Harper | sounded good to me!
| i haven't been..
Denis | Like I said last week, your workshop had some
| positive effects on my dreaming activities...
| (sorry)
Patricia L. Harper | oob for a couple weeks
Don DeGracia | Let's hear it, Denis.
Patricia L. Harper | ga
Denis | For instance...
| In my dreams, I've been playing with
| "changing the channel" and seeing...
| what effects it has with my lockmold...
| Also, I've been trying a bit more to extract
| info from dream characters...
| I notice, like you say in the notes, that
| most of them don't seem lucid at all
| GA
Don DeGracia | Denis, why don't you elaborate on each of
| those in turn...
| Explain about this "changing channels"....
| then tell us about the people you have met.
| GA
Denis | Ok...
| One trick I use to change channels is to
| become aware of transitions...
| like, for example, when I go through a door,
| climb stairs, etc...
| Before going through, I try to think of a
| destination...
| so far, I got some good results...
| I also noticed that if I close my eyes, and
| think "higher" or "lower"...
| the scene changes in some ways when I open
| them again...
| In one case, I was in a corridor that seemed
| pretty dense to me...
| after closing my eyes and "tuning up", I
| ended up in another corridor...
| which felt different -- lighter
Denis | Curious thing about these dreams is I wasn't
| always lucid...
| I was just tuning in and out... Sometimes,
| the transitions leaded to lucidity...
| sometimes not. Comment on that? GA
Don DeGracia | Denis> WOW!
| That's some really cool stuff...
| I've never thought to do anything like paying
| attention...
| to "transitions" as you call them...
| But it makes a lot of sense...
| that you would discover interesting things
| happening...
| in these transitions...
| Also...
| The fact that you are not necessarily lucid
| when you do
| this....
| makes sense...
| I think what is happening is that you have
| conditioned...
Don DeGracia | your mind and the ideas are carrying over to
| your...
| dream mind. ...
| Denis> Where did you get the idea to pay
| attention to
| these transitions? GA
Denis | Yeah. Last few week's dreaming have been
| *exceptional*, thanks to you, I think ...
| I'm not sure where I got the idea... In a
| dream, probably...
| It's something I have been aware of for
| sometime now...
Denis | The idea of trying to influence the
| destination probably comes from reading
| Monroe...
| about his
| IDENTs or whatever he calls it...
Richard A. Dahlen | hi
Pat Harper | denis do u fly at all in your dreams?
| hi richard!
Don DeGracia | Hi Richard, this is a formal CO on OBEs
Denis | Pat> Usually yes. I also levitate a lot
| Actually, Me walking in a dream is the
| exception...
Don DeGracia | Denis> interesting that you would associate
| IDENTS...
Pat Harper | have u tried flying
| away from the earth?
Don DeGracia | with transitions.
Denis | Pat> No, or I don't recall...
Pat Harper | it's real neat denis
Denis | Don> Sort like dialing a phone number before
| calling someone...
| I figured I could try to picture my
| destination before getting on my way
| GA
Don DeGracia | Pat, have you tried to fly away from the
| Earth? If so,
| what have you seen?
Pat Harper | I can change worlds in this way
Don DeGracia | Do you ever look back at the Earth?
Pat Harper | yeah!
Don DeGracia | What's it look like?
Pat Harper | doesn't always look the same, don
Don DeGracia | The times I've done it...
| the Earth looks almost cartoonish. Does it
| look real to
| you, Pat?
Pat Harper | sometimes it looks just like...
| what u would expect...
| that is like the space pictures...
| u know, i think i've told u
| that i cant go to the moon...
| tho i have tried
Don DeGracia | I remember the moon idea, but you never...
| told me what the Earth looks like to you....
| That is really interesting that you see it
| realistically.
Pat Harper | not always realistically...
| sometimes it is......
| kinda foggy like i cant ..
| quite make it out
Don DeGracia | That may be due to the fact that you are....
| transferring your consciousness from one plane
| to
| another..
| do you think? GA
Pat Harper | yeah and looking for the bubbles to start
|
Don DeGracia | Yea, its then that you would see the bubbles
| usually,
| right? GA
Pat Harper | yeah, up there near the
| moon---sometimes i go immediately to the
| bubbles
| ga
Denis | !
Don DeGracia | I want to ask Denis...
| Denis> Can you tell us about the people
| you've met
| OBE?
| GA
Denis | Ok. Most of them are kinda "dumb"...
| They will answer some bizarre answer to my
| questions...
| Some of them will acknowledge that they are
| dreaming...
Don DeGracia | What do you ask them?
Denis | Their name, our location, what are they doing
| here... That sort of thing...
| For example, in one dream...
| I was coming back from some adventure (that
| someone beforehand told me...
| was VERY dangerous )...
| When I came back, one guy was gesticulating
| to me, cheering and saying he
| couldn't believe I came back... That caught
| my attention and ask him what is name was...
Jerry | ? -=> Don
Denis | He immediately replied "J.C. Penny" then
| hesitated, then added "Abe"
Pat Harper |
Don DeGracia | Jerry> after Denis is done, you can go.
Denis | Another time, I spotted a lady that was
| looking at whatever was going on...
| like a silent observer. I went to her and ask
| her who she was...
| she was startled, gave me a wink and said
| "You're getting good at this, aren't you" and
| then
| disappeared...
Don DeGracia | wow!
Pat Harper | wow!!!
Denis | I could go on and on, but GA
Pat Harper | Denis, these are GREAT!!!
Don DeGracia | They really are, Denis. Let's come back to
| this...
| but lets take Jerry's question. Jerry. GA
Jerry | When I attempt took
| Anyway, I feel myand I feel sort of like I am
| floating...
| At this point, I am enjoying the experience,
| but then....
| I freak out so to speak and feel that I am
| not breathing...
| then I am back in my bed and all sensations
| and images are gone...
| Any suggestions? GA
Don DeGracia | Jerry, ...
| It may be that you are going into trance...
| and loosing consciousness of your physical
| body...
| if this is the case, then you will no longer
| feel...
| yourself breathing....
| Now, when you loose all the sensations and
| wake up...
| are you breathing ok? GA
Jerry | Yeah, a little heavy but not really
| unusual....
Don DeGracia | Jerry, go ahead.
| sorry!
Jerry | What could I try o to prevent this....
| GA
Don DeGracia | Jerry, does this happen every time?
Jerry | Unfortunately yes, or else I "fall asleep".
Don DeGracia | Jerry...
| I honestly don't know what to tell you...
| i have never had such a thing happen to me...
| so I don't really know what could be going
| on...
| two things occur to me off the top of my
| head...
| 1. either its what I said above...
| that when you go into trance you loose
| contact with...
| your physical body, and can therefore no
| longer...
| feel it breathing. If this is the case there
| is no problem...
| or...
| 2. there is something about going into trance
| that ...
| messes up the regions in your brain that
| control your
| breathing...
| if this is the case, then you have a real
| problem...
| Now, I've never heard of such a thing
| happening...
| but you can't be too careful....
| What you can do to test this is the
| following...
| Next time this happens just keep going....
| DON'T freak out!....
Denis | !
Don DeGracia | If the feeling subsides...
| then you are ok...
| if there really is a problem with your
| breathing...
| you will simply pass out...
| your brain will automatically take over...
| and your breathing will be ok...
| kind of like what happens if a kid holds
| their...
| breath for too long. That can't hurt a kid
| because the...
| brain has built in safe guards to prevent
| one from...
| holding their breath...
| Now, this is drastic advice, but I don't know
| what else to
| tell you, or how else you could determine
| what is
| causing this...
| Jerry> any follow up comments?
| GA
Jerry | Yeah, but I have to take a phone call right
| now, will be back. GA
Don DeGracia | Ok, Denis, GA, then we'll go informal.
Denis | I remember some underwater dreams where I
| woke up gasping for air because I had been
| physically holding my breath for too long...
| If Jerry is really stopping to breathe,
| shouldn't he feel
| something stronger upon awakening (like
| hearth pounding) or something?
Denis | GA
Don DeGracia | Yes, i suspect he would.
| That's strange what is happening to Jerry.
| Like I said, i
| never heard of such a thing.
| GA
Denis | But then again, what do I know? I never
| have been able to go OBE via trance.... GA
Don DeGracia | So, Denis, is it that you mostly become lucid
| while you
| dream?
| BTW, we're informal now.
Jerry | I'm Back.
Don DeGracia | Hi Jerry.
Denis | Yes. I have at least 3 dreams every night...
Pat Harper |
Denis | The third or following dreams is likely to be
| lucid
Pat Harper | oops sorry
Denis | BTW, I had a false awakening this morning
Don DeGracia | But you haven't been able to get there via
| trance?GA
Denis | Don> Yes. That is correct...
Don DeGracia | What kind of results have you gotten from
| practicing
| trance methods?
Jerry | Denis, the first few times this has happened,
| I did wake up...
| gasping for air, and pounding hart, but that
| was a few years ago....
Denis | The closest I got in a trance was feeling l
| was floating in a dark bottomless void...
| (Sorry, Jerry...)
Jerry | I had given up on AP,ing, until I found Dons
| paper. GA
Denis | Then my legs started kicking on it's own and
| broke it... :(
Don DeGracia | Denis> How often have you tried to practice
| trance?GA
Denis | Don> Would you believe, every night before
| going to bed for about a year now?
| I actually have better results falling back
| to sleep in the morning...
| sometimes I'm able to "walk-in" a dream
| consciously
Second Childhood | Hi Denis, can you describe your technique for
| a newcomer?
Denis | SC> Of walking in a dream?
Don DeGracia | Denis> I've rarely ever tried trance when
| going to bed at
| night...
| I've almost always done it after waking in
| the morning...
Second Childhood | no, how to practice the trance - what do you
| do?
Don DeGracia | You should get up for about 15 minutes, then
| go back to
| bed...
| and try the trance techniques.
| Second Childhood....
Denis | Don> Yeah, I guess I should try that on a
| more regular basis
Don DeGracia | I have written a file that explains how to go
| into trance...
| in the Psychic Abilities library. The file
| is called
| DO_OBE.ZIP...
| and it explains in detail how to go into
| trance to leave
| your body.
| Denis....
Second Childhood | oh. I'll get it. I meditate myself and
| was interested.
Don DeGracia | from what you say...
| I think you would have great success doing
| the trance
| method...
| I recommend that you alter your schedule and
| try it...
| more consistently. I'll bet you get
| results...
| Like I said, wake up for 15 minutes, then try
| the trance
| techniques. GA
Denis | Will do, Don... I'll let you know what
| happens...
Don DeGracia | Definitely do!
| Denis> what you said about the people you
| talked too...
| sounds a lot like what's happened to me. GA
Denis | Yes... If I remember your notes...
| I had those experiences before reading them,
| BTW...
| for me, it was a confirmation of what I'd seen
| GA
Don DeGracia | That's what I've gotten from talking to
| people in the
| forum too.
| Well, gang, I think I'm gonna call it a night.
| I'll see everybody around...
Denis | Good idea, Don... Me too
Don DeGracia | Thanks for coming to the class!
| I'll let everybody know if there will be more
| COs.
Jerry | See Ya.
Denis | Thanks for giving it in the first place
Don DeGracia | bye
|
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