On line CO #4 for Don DeGracia's OBE class
********** 5/31/94 9:56 PM Forum CO
R 12 : *SYSTEM* | Switching to Dreams/Mind/ESP
john e. m. | .
Joy Barish | HI John do Iknow you??
john e. m. | doubt it !!!
Joy Barish | Im into Jungian dream interp. myself ,hardly
| anyone else
| is, but for me its the only way to go-progress
| spiritually
| I mean, Ive said that before.
| HI Denis.
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | Joy, I'm into Jung dream interpretation too!
Joy Barish | Aha--- how long??? Don..???
Don DeGracia | only a couple years now.
Joy Barish | Ive hund. of draems here in
| my note books,one has to face
| oneself totally lst though, a lot of people
| wont do that..
Don DeGracia | Joy, did you know this is a formal CO on OBEs?
Joy Barish | sorry dreams, am just back from London a few
| days still jet
| lagged....
john e. m. | .
Joy Barish | sorry Ididnt know!
john e. m. | don is monitor
Don DeGracia | We havent started yet. In a couple minutes
| tho.
john e. m. | wanta start??
Don DeGracia | Might as well.
john e. m. | shoot
Don DeGracia | Ok, lets start
| Well, Denis, Joy and Joe, welcome to the 4th
| CO...
| on OBEs...
| Tonight the topic is how to leave your body...
| using the method of going into trance.
| Keeping to the regular format...
| I'll give about 10-15 minutes worth of...
| material...
| then open the floor up for discussion.
| So, off we go....
| Tonight we will discuss how to induce a
| trance...
| and what happens to you as you go into
| trance...
| and what it actually feels like to "leave'
| your body.
| ...
john e. m. | .
| .
Don DeGracia | 1. Trance is a process of keeping your mind
| awake...
| while your body falls asleep...
| 2. To go into trance:...
| A. You will lie down in a comfortable place
| with...
| the intent to project...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | B. You will allow yourself to relax ever
| more...
| deeply while at the same time, you will keep
| your...
| mind focused on your self-awareness....
| C. You can stare into the darkness behind
| your...
| closed eyes and look for little, sparkley
| lights...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | (ideoretinal lights). You may see
| hypnogogic...
| images appear. These images are harmless....
| D. You should stay very conscious of your ...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | kinesthetic sensations. Kinesthetic
| sensations are...
| your sensations of your body, how it feels,
| what it's...
| position is, etc....
| Eventually, you will feel your body doing one
| of the...
| following:...
| Slipping, sinking, floating, drifting....
| Allow this to happen.
| ...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | E. You may experience the following: Tingles
| and...
| chills in your body. You may hear weird
| sounds. ...
| You may see a bright white light....
| F. Finally, one of the following may occur:...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | 1. You lose consciousness momentarily...
| (i.e. blackout)...
| 2. You find yourself floating in a great
| darkness....
| If this happens you are out-of-body....
| 3. You may find yourself all of a sudden
| somewhere...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | else, NOT where you had started out, in
| which...
| case, you are out-of-body....
| 4. You may wake up...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | 5. You may fall asleep....
| 3. This whole process may require practice...
| before you actually leave your body. This
| process...
| is not cut and dry. You may or may not
| experience...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | the above senstaions, but chances are good
| you will ...
| experience some of them. A very large
| variety of...
| things could possibly happen to you as you go
| deeper..
| into trance....
| 4. It is important that, no matter what you
| feel or...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | perceive, that you REMAIN CALM AND RELAXED....
| 5. The only time you should stop is if you
| feel any type...
| of pain. If you feel any kind of pain,
| wake...
| yourself up. Do NOT proceed if you feel any
| kind...
| of pain...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | So, this is what it's like to go into trance,
| and ...
| these are the things you will feel and
| perceive as you...
| leave your body. You may or may not feel
| afraid...
| We have been discussing the fear responce on
| the...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | message board. ...
| Generally speaking, this entire process of
| going...
| into trance is completely safe...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | So, that's it for my opening remarks.
| Let's open up the floor to comments,
| questions, etc.
|
Pattie | Howdy folks! :)
john e. m. | send a ? to ask a question! and a ! to make a
| comment
Denis | ?
Joy Barish | Don, Ive been in the metaphyscial field for
| 25plusyears,
| ahve many many bookson astral projection, my
| soninfla.is
| adept at it not me I t s not mything, IVe
| stud. it alot
| re.Dr.Crookall but I feel onehas tohave a
| very loose astral
| bodyas he calls i t for it to work .
| sorry ididnt put a ! John.
Don DeGracia | Denis GA
Denis | Ok...
| When I go into trance...
| usually comes a moment when I feel these
| jolts...
| of almost electricity that makes me kick...
| around. I usually turn around and go tho
| sleep then :(
| Any ideas what these may be about? GA
Joe G. | ?
Don DeGracia | Denis>
Joy Barish | I! Idont knowif Im to talk or not but thats
| Kundalini up the
| spine believe me Denis. Ive had it but not
| re. trance. Its
| real-joltsof electricity, nearly went out
| once of myu body
| butina stateof shock then.!
Don DeGracia | Where do these jolts occur? Are they through
| your ...
| whole body?
Denis | Don> Mostly in the lower part of the torso...
| Kundalini did occur to me, Joy
| GA
Don DeGracia | Denis>
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | I was gonna say what Joy said!
Pat | !
Don DeGracia | Basically, those kind of feelings are
| kundalini....
Joy Barish | I had it once in stae9f shock , nearlyu
| wentintoa nother
| dimension,but idont prac. astral projection,
| am afraidof it,
| am moreinto Jung as Isaid I feel Ill go
| farther that way,
| bes. dont have a very loose astral ala Dr.C.
Don DeGracia | Denis> Does it hurt at all?
Denis | Don> No...
Joy Barish | ! Its painless..!
Denis | Just unconfortable... How do I overcome those
| feelings?
| GA
Joy Barish | ! what doyou want to accomlish over there so
| tospeak
john e. m. | .
Joy Barish | Denis?? oh ? sorry.
Don DeGracia | Denis, I suggest we talk via e-mail about
| this...
| or on the msg boards...
| Cause I don't think we have time to get into
| it here...
| to the depth it requires...
| Sound ok to you? ga
Pattie | ?
Denis | Don> Ok, GA
Don DeGracia | Joe G Question?
Joe G. | The pain you spoke of ... Is this in the
| subconscience
Don DeGracia | Joe are you finished?
| With your question that is?
Joe G. | Yes ... Sorry
Don DeGracia | Ok! :)
| There is usually no pain at all when you go
| into trance...
| The only reason I said anything about pain...
| is because there is a very small chance that
| ...
| a few people may encounter feelings of pain...
| And I am simply saying this as a "just in
| case" type thing.
| Does this make sense to you Joe? GA
| Joe?
Joe G. | Whenever I have lucid dreams,,, I wake myself
| up by
| screaming ... This is why I asked. Is there
| any relation
| here ?? GA
Don DeGracia | Why do you scream?
Joe G. | That is between trance and lucid dreaming ..
| GA
| Because I want to wake up. My lucid dreams
| are scary ..
Don DeGracia | Do you wake up afraid Joe?
john e. m. | .
| .
Joe G. | YES .. If I go right back to sleep, I am
| back in a dream
| state. I now turn on alight to make sure I
| am awake.
john e. m. | ,
Don DeGracia | What is in your dreams that is so scary?
john e. m. | .
Joe G. | That there is someone in the room, or
| someone chasing
| me. This may be off the subject of OBE's , I
| am just
| wondering if there is any relationship.
john e. m. | .
Joe G. | My wife kust kicks me know to wake me up ..
Don DeGracia | Tell you what Joe, just like I asked Denis...
| We can talk about it further in the e-mail...
| if that is ok with you.
john e. m. | .
Joe G. | Sounds fine. Thanks Don.
Don DeGracia | Thanks Joe.
| Well, any other questions? John? Pattie?
Pattie | ?
john e. m. | none here!
Pamela J. Coupe | hello - may i join in?
Don DeGracia | Hi Pamela...this is a formal CO on OBEs.
| Pattie GA.
Pattie | Don, I'm new to this, so bare with me.... how
| do you decide where to go
| on OBEs? Do you just float with the "wind?"
Don DeGracia | Well, Pattie, I have never had any control at
| all...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | over where I end up after I "leave" my body...
| so basically, I just go with the "wind".....
| and if you read some of my journal entries...
| in the class notes, you will see how literal
| this is...
| sometimes!
john e. m. | .
Pattie | IS your higher self or spirit guide
| chaperoning you?
Don DeGracia | If it is I sure don't know about it!
| But I suspect that something like that is
| going on...
| whether I know about it or not. GA
Pattie | Don, have you looked around to see if someone
| else is with you? Or are you
| Don, alone?
john e. m. | .
Pattie | ga
Don DeGracia | I meet people and creatures in my OBEs...
| but it always seems to be just me who is
| having ...
| the adventure. In other words...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | I don't sense a presence with me. GA
| Any more Pattie?
Pattie | Nope, thanks!
Joe G. | ?
Don DeGracia | Any one else? Comments? Questions?
Pamela J. Coupe | ?
Don DeGracia | GA Joe.
john e. m. | .
Joe G. | Don, Do you wake up right after your OBE is
| over ? Do
| you stay in a trance ?? Can you control this
| ??
Wizard | Gretings all
Don DeGracia | Joe, I usually wake up abruptly after my
| obe...
| One second I'm on the astral plane, next
| instant...
| I'm laying on my bed. GA
| Follow up Joe?
Joe G. | I really uncomfortable about letting my
| "mind" go like that.
| Were you ever uncomfortable at first ...
Don DeGracia | No. I was really enthusiastic about doing it.
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | And very curious to explore.
| We'll do one more question.
| Pamela GA
Wizard | Don, what is best way to induce OBE;
| sometimes i sence
| im almost there never quite get out.
john e. m. | .
Joe G. | I don't know how ready I am for this, but I
| can't stop
| thinking about this CO. thanks again don
Pamela J. Coupe | Do you have documentation on learning how to
| do OBE"S - how long did it take you to learn
| this?
Don DeGracia | Sure Joe. We'll get you up to speed in no
| time.
| Pamela>
| I have a 148 page book in the Psychic
| Ablilities library..
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | the file is called DO_OBE.ZIP. This file is
| the "class
| notes"...
| Feel free to check this out...
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | In terms of how long it took...
| I had my first projection about 3 to 4 weeks
| after...
| I started trying to project. GA
john e. m. | .
Pamela J. Coupe | Thank you so much - I definately will
| download this file!
Don DeGracia | I'll love to hear your comments about it,
| Pamela...
| and feel free to write if you have any
| questions...
Pamela J. Coupe | Thank you!
Don DeGracia | for I have detailed methods in it for
| achieving OBEs. GA.
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | Well, gang, it's about 11 o clock...
Pamela J. Coupe | I just completed a paranormal
| Goodnight Don - Thanks again!
Don DeGracia | so, I think we'll end the formal part of this
| for tonight.
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | Good night every one, and thanks for showing
| up...
| and once again, if you have questions...
| write me via e-mail, or post me a msg in the
| Dreams msg
| section.
john e. m. | .
Denis | Night Don!
Don DeGracia | Ok. End of formal CO. Go wild everybody!
Pattie | Go Wild!
Joe G. | good night all !!!
Pattie | I'm still here? :)
Pamela J. Coupe | I wish I had known about this conference - i
| love this subject!!!!
john e. m. | .
Pattie | Don, do you do OBEs while dreaming?
Don DeGracia | Pattie...
| I sometimes become lucid while I am dreaming..
| that is the easiest way to get into an OBE.
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | Pamela> we have 4 more COs about this...
| so feel free to show up. Its Tues night at
| 10 PM EST.
Pamela J. Coupe | Its on my calendar!
Don DeGracia | Cool!
Pamela J. Coupe | I jI just completed a 9 week course on the
| paranormal ...
Pattie | Don, if you're doing OBEs while dreaming, how
| do you know it's real?
Pamela J. Coupe | It was absolutely fascinating. We studied
| OBE, life after death, etc. etc.
Don DeGracia | Pattie, the dream turns into an OBE...
| The "reality" of it has to do with me
| becoming *lucid*..
Pamela J. Coupe | I understand that while you are "sleeping"
| your spirit is out of your body anyway
Don DeGracia | which is to say, I am all of a sudden aware
| that I...
| am dreaming, and aware that my body is lying
| in my bed
| in my house..
| This is a lot different state of mind than
| what...
| one normally has when they dream. GA
Pamela J. Coupe | My paranormal instructor has OBE"s all of the
| time.
Pamela J. Coupe | Hi Wizard!
Wizard | I just cam in a little while ago and its my
| first time at this
| conference
Don DeGracia | Hi Wizard!
Wizard | I am having problems inducing OBE an i heard
| you took a
| course or program , maybe yoiu can help
Don DeGracia | I'm *giving* a program, Wix!
Wizard | I was told that one method was to sleep at 12
| mid, wake
| up at 4am, walk arould for 15 min, then go
| back to sleep,
| but to try to OBE at that point
Don DeGracia | Sorry, Wiz!
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | Wizard, I have a whole book in the Psychic
| Abilities
| library...the file is called...
| DO_OBE.ZIP, and it details exactly what you
| need to do
| to have an OBE. You should check it out.
Wizard | I just downloaded those files and i intend to
| read tonite
Don DeGracia | Cool!
Wizard | thankyou, maybe ill try hooking up with
| conference next
| Tues 10pm
Don DeGracia | Feel free.
| Also, feel free to write me if you've got
| questions or
| anything.
Starr | Questions about what??
Pat | Don, let me know what u find out re the muscle
| spasming-- that is what happens to me also
| with my
| eyes
john e. m. | .
Don DeGracia | Muscle spasms, huh?
| I don't think you've mentioned that before.
Pat | (nystagmus)
Pattie | I get muscle spasms in my eye sometimes too..
| does that mean anything?
Starr | you guys have such a boring conversation
Don DeGracia | Hi Starr!
Quinn | No male bashing now.
Starr | at least now i've got some attention!
Wizard | hi starr
- Visitor | good eve. Starr and everyone else...!
PJ | I see no staff in here, so I take it this is
| informal, right?
Quinn | 93 PJ
Pattie | PJ, you bet!
Starr | hi Wiz and Don. I wasjust kidding before
PJ | Hiya Quinn!
| Is there a topic?
Don DeGracia | Yea, life!
Quinn | Don't know, just entered myself,
PJ | Could you maybe narrow it down a bit?
| I mean frankly I don't know much about death.
| So everything else fits into life.
Wizard | Don , i have another question
Don DeGracia | Sure Wiz
Wizard | Im sort of in school involved in medical
| proffession, would
| that type of "logical" backround interfere
| with OBE
| I can see where people are more imaginative
| can probably
| induce OBE
Don DeGracia | Wizard, I'm gettting my PhD in molecular
| biology...
| so, I'd have to say, "no".
Pat | I am a nurse and i do obe all the time
Wizard | Question answered......thankyou
Don DeGracia | No, Wiz, actually, you are in a great
| postion..
| to learn to OBE...
| becuse if you think logically in the first
| place...
| it will be easy for you to learn...
Wizard | in that case, i just have to keep trying
Don DeGracia | and you will be very observant and get a lot
| out of it.
| GA
Ivan | Howdy
Wizard | greetings ivan
Don DeGracia | Ivan, Welcome.
| So, what shall we talk about now?
| Hey, everybody...
Pat | hi still here
Don DeGracia | did you hear about the crook congressman that
| got
| busted?
Pat | no
Don DeGracia | Whata schmuck.
Wizard | no
Don DeGracia | Really?
Pat | oh, i thought it was a joke (blush)
Don DeGracia | Serious.
Joe G. | me too. pat (double blush)
Don DeGracia | He was embezzeled about half million from us
| tax payers.
Joe G. | must be that rostenkowski dude
Don DeGracia | That's the guy!
| Whata superhero (not)
Joe G. | Let's send him on an OBE out of the country
| !!!
Don DeGracia | Great idea!
| I was gonna say that we could all go OBE and
| haunt his
| dreams.
Quinn | Everyday events where I live.
Don DeGracia | where do you live Quinn?
Wizard | And tonite we talk about politics and Astral
| projection is
| this the wave ov the future ..... Next on 60
| Minutes
Quinn | Land of OZ - a.k.a. Washington DC.
Joe G. | what is scary is that he is one of 400 some
| congressman.
Pat | lets all just run for congress
Joe G. | I wonder how many haven't gotten caught yet .
Don DeGracia | Whata nitemare. Who needs to project to find
| demons?
| they are all in D.C.
Quinn | Not to many are crooked believe it or not.
Don DeGracia | I don't
Wizard | Hey Hey Hey, my sister lives in DC, and only
| half here
| neighbors are truely demons
Joe G. | Then why are we in over 4 trillion in debt
| ??? Somebody
| is on the take,
Quinn | The company I work for researched the
| spending budgets of all
| Congressman....
| Most were within reasonable limits,
| however....
| When attempted to review the tax returns, CIA
| shut em down.
Don DeGracia | Figures!
Joe G. | How about the boneheads who took a helicopter
| to plat
| golf !!!!
Quinn | Said it was against national Interest. USA
| Today put up a fight though.
Don DeGracia | and for only $13,000!
| Hell, that's a lot of moola to rent two
| helicopters.
Quinn | The $13K was pais back.
| paid
Joe G. | I think its time to cut all the salaries by
| 20 percent and
| strip away perks. I wouldn't mind paying out
| taxes then.
Don DeGracia | Well, gang, I gotta split. It was fun.
| See you next week!
Quinn | Rid the lobbies and PAC's, then no self
| interest gets involved in the
| law making process.
Wizard | I have to go to, Ive got a patient at 8am
Joe G. | Hooray to that. I hate PAC's
Wizard | good nite all
Quinn | Me too Joe.
Don DeGracia | by wiz.
Quinn | Nite Wiz
Joe G. | Well, time to go get "lucid" ... good night
Quinn | Nite
|
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