(12-11,Rilla) hi!
(12-9,Denis) I almost went to bed and missed the CO!
(12-11,Rilla) oh no!!
(12-11,Rilla) heaven forbid!
(12-11,Rilla) 
(12-9,Denis) 
(12-11,Rilla) you could have come in ASTRAL!
(12-11,Rilla) 
(12-9,Denis) I guess...  Kinda hard to ask questions, tho
(12-11,Rilla) heheheh....good practice though!
(12-10,Quinn) I think I'm in Astral 
(12-11,Rilla) A "come as you are in Astral" party?
(12-11,Rilla) hehehe
(12-10,Quinn) Sure, why not?
(12-10,Quinn) After all, I attend "night school", as we all do.
(12-9,Denis) Yes 
(12-11,Rilla) Quinn...ah ha!!
(12-11,Rilla) Another member of "the class", eh?
(12-10,Quinn) Yup.
(12-11,Rilla) Do you get the "bus" dreams too?
(12-11,Rilla) John> could you possible transcript again tonight??
(12-10,Quinn) Just came in, "bus" dreams? you lost me.
(12-11,Rilla) You did such a good job last week!
(12-9,Denis) Rilla> I drove a flying/submarine bus last Saturday night... 
/send 11 ok I've got capture on!
(12-11,Rilla) the same people who get the "class" dreams usually get
           the "bus" dreams too
;;[11] Rilla - thank you!!!
(12-11,Rilla) Denis> hehehe....sounds exciting!!
(12-11,Rilla) Did you ever think that that might be a UFO dream?
(12-11,Rilla) That's what some people think of them.
(12-9,Denis) Rilla> Yes... I even parked it in a parking lot 
(12-11,Rilla) Denis! Wow!!
(12-11,Rilla) K Mart?
(12-11,Rilla) 
(12-10,Quinn) Rilla> As a teacher of the Mysteries, perhaps you were just
(12-10,Quinn) leading your students?
(12-9,Denis) Rilla>  It was fun flying over the cars to find a spot
(12-11,Rilla) Quinn> that what some have said 
(12-10,Quinn) Denis too! 
(12-9,Denis) I said that?
(12-11,Rilla) what?
(12-10,Quinn) Denis> No, sorry, I meant that you as a teacher of the Mysteries
(12-10,Quinn) ....
(12-9,Denis) Quinn> that what some have said 
(12-9,Denis) 
(12-15,Don DeGracia) Hi everybody
(12-11,Rilla) Hi Don!
(12-11,Rilla) 
(12-9,Denis) Hi Don!
(12-15,Don DeGracia) Kathy says hi too Rilla, and hope you're feeling better.
(12-10,Quinn) Hi Don.
(12-11,Rilla) Tell her thanks! I'm working on it! 
(12-14,Mark Doblekar) Hi Everyone.
(12-15,Don DeGracia) Hi Quinn
(12-11,Rilla) Hi Mark!
(12-15,Don DeGracia) Hi Dennis
hi everyone!
(12-11,Rilla) oops....hi Paul!
(12-11,Rilla) missed you!
(12-11,Rilla) Hi Hutch!
(12-15,Don DeGracia) Hi John
(12-17,Paul Vercellotti) Howdy folks.
(12-10,Quinn) Now hat evryone's "hi" ..... 
(12-11,Rilla) hahahsa
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-3,Hutch) Howdy!
(12-11,Rilla) turning on alternate capture buffer 
(12-10,Quinn) Rilla> Is that an altered state of consciousness ? 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) heheh...yep ....wine induced 

(12-10,Quinn) John E.> What is the Teosophical view on Dreams?
(12-10,Quinn) That's Theosophical....
ummmm  don's an expert more than I.
(12-9,Denis) Good evening!

(12-15,Don D.) Leadbeater has a great book on the topic.
(12-10,Quinn) I'm familiar w/ Leadbetter, have some of his work.
(12-15,Don D.) His stuff is very good.
(12-3,Hutch) I thought the Windows help file on Theosophy in one of
(12-3,Hutch) the Libraries was very good.
(12-10,Quinn) Yeah. Like Besant more tho.

(12-15,Don D.) Me too in some respects.
(12-10,Quinn) Which library Hutch?
(12-15,Don D.) Thanks hutch.
(12-3,Hutch) I don't recall.  I did a search under WinCIM and found it.
(12-3,Hutch) Thanks Don!
(12-15,Don D.) I'm gonna make a multimedia version of the file...
(12-15,Don D.) complete with animations of auras and stuff.
(12-10,Quinn) Hutch> Okay, thanks, I browse it later.
(12-3,Hutch) Great!  Is there an agenda for this evening?
(12-10,Quinn) Suzanne's here, let's ask her.
/users

User  User ID        Nod  Area      Name
----  -------------  ---  --------  -------------------
   3  71726,1440     OKC  Rm 12     Hutch
   9  73051,264      NDK  Rm 12     Denis
  10  74077,1735     BWT  Rm 12     Quinn
  11  76702,1766     GRM  Rm 12     Rilla/Moderator
  12  76220,131      CCJ  Rm 12     john e. m.
  14  71674,46       CVK  Rm 12     Mark Doblekar
  15  72662,1335     TYL  Rm 12     Don D.
  17  76116,2636     NLV  Rm 12     Paul Vercellotti
  21  72233,1273     FJJ  Rm 12     suzanne/LIB AS'T
  24  74004,3525     SPN  Rm 12     Ann
  26  73504,244      BAA  Rm 12     Ivan
  27  74053,1542     FJK  Rm 12     Michael B. Harkness

(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) if everyone is ready...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) how about if we get started?
(12-15,Don D.) sure
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Don...anytime you are ready.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) GA
(12-10,Quinn) !
(12-21,suzanne/LIB AS'T) evening everyone!
(12-10,Quinn) 
(12-15,Don D.) Well, I've a couple of preliminary things to mention...
(12-15,Don D.) 1. About these COs...
(12-26,Ivan)  hello all
(12-15,Don D.) after last week, it is apparent to me that..
(12-15,Don D.) I can't answer some questions with the depth they
(12-15,Don D.) deserve..
(12-15,Don D.) so what i will do if I find myself in this position...
(12-15,Don D.) is recommend we start a thread.
(12-15,Don D.) 2. I send out an e-mail today...
(12-15,Don D.) about preparing your questions before its your turn to ask..
(12-15,Don D.) to save some time....
(12-15,Don D.) Otherwise, I want to highlight what I feel are the...
(12-15,Don D.) important aspects of the reading assignment...
(12-15,Don D.) BTW, for those of you who don't know, there is a ...
(12-15,Don D.) schedule of reading in the file APREAD.TXT...so you can..
(12-15,Don D.) come prepared to the COs.  Each CO is supposed to
(12-15,Don D.) focus..
(12-15,Don D.) around the reading assignment...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Did that help?
(12-15,Don D.) Each CO is to focus around a reading assignment...
(12-15,Don D.) For tonight, the points I want to make are...
(12-15,Don D.) 1. The term "OBE" (out-of-body experience)...
(12-15,Don D.) is a term made up by parapsychologists, and assumes...
(12-15,Don D.) a physical view of the projection experience.
(12-15,Don D.) 2.  The term "lucid dream" (LD) is a term from psychology..
(12-15,Don D.) and implies that the experience is symbolic, similar to ..
(12-15,Don D.) dream interpretation..
(12-15,Don D.) Thus, last week we discussed the occult views, which
(12-15,Don D.) are...
(12-15,Don D.) represented by the term "astral projection"...
(12-15,Don D.) The take home message is that these three terms...
(12-15,Don D.) represent 3 different ways to look at the same phenomena.
(12-15,Don D.) The moral is:
(12-15,Don D.) be open minded about these ideas, and learn as much as
(12-15,Don D.) you can about all the viewpoints of astral projection....
(12-15,Don D.) That is my main point about the theory of astral projecting.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-15,Don D.) Finally, i want to say that the way I view the projection..
(12-15,Don D.) experience is that it is like using a radio..
(12-15,Don D.) You tune your consciousness into the OBE realms..
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-15,Don D.) So, that's about it for my main points tonight.
(12-15,Don D.) Questions? Comments?
(12-15,Don D.) Hi Jack!
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-10,Quinn) ?
(12-3,Hutch) ?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Quinn> GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Then Hutch
(12-10,Quinn) Thanks...
(12-10,Quinn) Don you stated that Lucid dreaming (psych. term) and OBE are the
(12-10,Quinn) same. DOn't the parapsychologists and the pschlogists view...
(12-10,Quinn) them differently?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-10,Quinn) ga
(12-15,Don D.) Yes they do view them differently...
(12-15,Don D.) Generally, the psychologist sees the phenomena...
(12-15,Don D.) as being like a dream, therefore relating to the...
(12-15,Don D.) subconscious mind and they have worked out...
(12-15,Don D.) ideas about how our subconscious expresses itself...
(12-15,Don D.) symbollically to our conscious mind....
(12-15,Don D.) OTOH, parapsychologists, have taken a somewhat,
(12-15,Don D.) IMHO,..
(12-15,Don D.) naive view of projections as being a wraith of some sorts...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-15,Don D.) that leaves the physical body and travels through...
(12-15,Don D.) the physical world....
(12-15,Don D.) On the basis of my experiences, the psychologists are...
(12-15,Don D.) much closer to the truth 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Quinn> follow up?
(12-10,Quinn) Follow up please?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) sure
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) ga
(12-10,Quinn) I personally agree w. the OBE view, however see it as travel...
(12-10,Quinn) through the astral world, not the physical. The Causal Body striving
(12-10,Quinn) for freedom of expression, if you will. Any comment?   GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-15,Don D.) I agree with that view pretty much...
(12-15,Don D.) have you ever projected?
(12-10,Quinn) Yes
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) no
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) m
(12-10,Quinn) Consciously, not in sleep...
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) m
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) m
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) m
(12-10,Quinn) many years ago after a d rug induced "hyper". Then again in
(12-10,Quinn) sobriety, but not often. GA.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Diane> are you having trouble?
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) no
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) ?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Hutch?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) GA
(12-3,Hutch) Thanks.  Can things from the astral plane "come back" with you,
(12-3,Hutch) let's say in the form of emotions, to the physical plane?  GA
(12-26,Diane Kuszyk) go newage
(12-3,Hutch) Right on, Diane!
(12-3,Hutch) GA
(12-15,Don D.) Hutch, I think you can bring anything that is
(12-15,Don D.) *psychological* back and forth with you....
(12-15,Don D.) however, I do not think you can bring physical things into
(12-15,Don D.) the OBE realm 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Hutch? GA
(12-3,Hutch) I have a friend that swears when he was young, he left the door ...
(12-3,Hutch) "open" to a bunch of emotional stuff that came after him.
(12-3,Hutch) Thoughts?  GA
(12-15,Don D.) Yes, I could imagine that something like this could
(12-15,Don D.) happen...
(12-15,Don D.) that is why you have to have some idea of the kinds of...
(12-15,Don D.) forces and phenomena that operate in the OBE realm...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-10,Quinn) !
(12-15,Don D.) and that is why I prefer the occult views of the
(12-15,Don D.) experience. 
(12-3,Hutch) Follow up?
(12-3,Hutch) GA
(12-19,Penny) ?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Hutch> GA
(12-3,Hutch) Quinn mentioned the "Causal Body".  Where does that fit in the five
(12-3,Hutch) body model?
(12-3,Hutch) GA
(12-15,Don D.) I use the term "buddhic body" for the causal body....
(12-15,Don D.) you will find both terms in use in this context, and others
(12-15,Don D.) as well. 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) it's time to let Diane have a turn. GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay..
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) no Diane...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Richard> GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) oops
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) sorry
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Michael H
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) THEN Richard
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) Often when I am dreaming I can influence or control the activity or event. I especially enjoy flying. But I feel
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) sometimes that the colors could be more vivid or brighter any suggestions? GA
(12-15,Don D.) Why?  Are the colors NOT vivid in your dreams?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) hang on...
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) Not as bright as I think they should be
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Michael Harkness?
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) hard to explain
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) ga
(12-15,Don D.) I don't know what to make of what you are asking
(12-15,Don D.) Michael..
(12-1,Pat) ?
(12-15,Don D.) I don't know how you can make your *dreams* more
(12-15,Don D.) vivid...
(12-15,Don D.) However, I have found that sometimes in my projections...
(12-15,Don D.) some are less vivid than others.  I don't know why this
(12-15,Don D.) is.
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) thanks for the in sight GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Mike? Finished?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Quinn is next
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) GA
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) yes ga
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Penny> GA
(12-19,Penny) I am sorry, but I am new to this and
(12-19,Penny) I did come in late, but my question
(12-19,Penny) is this:  Is OBE a different thing
(12-19,Penny) than an intentional astral
(12-19,Penny) projection?  I am thinking of ap as
(12-19,Penny) different from lucid dreaming.  I am
(12-19,Penny) thinking that  AP is where the astral
(12-19,Penny) body travels around in what we
(12-19,Penny) know as physical reality.  
(12-15,Don D.) Penny, i discuss this in my notes if you want to read
(12-15,Don D.) more...
(12-15,Don D.) but from all my experiences, I don't think there is a ...
(12-15,Don D.) difference between astral projections, lucid dreams and
(12-15,Don D.) OBEs.
(12-15,Don D.) ...
(12-15,Don D.) I do not think in any case does ones consciousness...
(12-15,Don D.) literally travel in the physical world....
(12-15,Don D.) I think ones consciousness enters subplanes that are...
(12-15,Don D.) close to the phyeical plane, and mirror events that ...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-15,Don D.) occur on the physical plane, sometimes more, sometimes..
(12-15,Don D.) less accurately.  That is why people some times *seem* to
(12-15,Don D.) be...
(12-15,Don D.) in the physical world. .
(12-19,Penny) So, what about bi-location, where
(12-19,Penny) the person *intends* to be there,
(12-19,Penny) and people see that person?
(12-19,Penny) Thanks. ga.
(12-15,Don D.) I have read about this but never experienced it...
(12-15,Don D.) neither do I know anyone who has experienced anything...
(12-15,Don D.) like this. Have you had such an experience?
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-19,Penny) Ok, thanks.  I will let you get back
(12-19,Penny) to technique.  Thanks. 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Next is Pat
(12-1,Pat) I often experience severe
(12-1,Pat) headaches after oob, any
(12-1,Pat) solutions? 
(12-15,Don D.) Pat, what do the headaches feel like? Are they
(12-15,Don D.) migranes?
(12-1,Pat) not migraines, but severe, behind
(12-1,Pat) eyes sometimes w nausea
(12-1,Pat) ga
(12-15,Don D.) I get these fairly frequently too.  Its a real bummer, no?
(12-15,Don D.) I don't know what causes this, but it is obviously
(12-15,Don D.) somekind..
(12-1,Pat) yes, any solution that u have
(12-1,Pat) found?
(12-15,Don D.) of physiological backlash from the OBE...
(12-15,Don D.) No, I have not found a way to prevent this...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) ?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) !
(12-9,Denis) !
(12-1,Pat) thank you 
(12-3,Hutch) ?
(12-15,Don D.) Pat, you should write me about this, I'd like to get more
(12-15,Don D.) information from you about this.
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-1,Pat) ok
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Can I interject something?
(12-15,Don D.) Sure.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) even though I am just the moderator 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) I've found that the headaches can come from ...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) stimulating different "brain cycles"...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) they will pass with continued work...
(12-1,Pat) !
(12-9,Denis) !
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) and it also will help if you are being especially careful to do some...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) sort of "grounding" while you are actively doing work such as OOBEs. GA
(12-15,Don D.) I want to add that I get headaches...
(12-15,Don D.) simply from lack of sleep, like when I stay up all night
(12-15,Don D.) studying...
(12-15,Don D.) and I think the OBE state is different from sleep...
(12-15,Don D.) so your body thinks it is still awake...
(12-15,Don D.) So, it might just be as simple as getting the right amount of
(12-15,Don D.) sleep...
(12-15,Don D.) before practiing the OBE work.
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Okay...if Pat is finished, Denis is next.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Pat?
(12-1,Pat) 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...Denis? GA
(12-9,Denis) Okay...
(12-9,Denis) I read somewhere that headaches can be caused by...
(12-29,Marina/Lighthouse) 
(12-9,Denis) an abrupt return in the physical. Any comments 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Don...did you get that question?
(12-15,Don D.) No
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Denis> resend?
(12-9,Denis) Okay... I'll retype...
(12-9,Denis) I read somewhere that headaches can be caused...
(12-9,Denis) by a fast re-entry in the physical. Comments? 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) if you can see this...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) type a !
(12-15,Don D.) a !
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) !
(12-9,Denis) a !
a !
(12-28,Helen S/CHANNELING) !
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Denis> exit the forum and re-enter
(12-3,Hutch) a !
(12-9,Denis) Ok...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) This is a good time...
(12-29,Marina/Lighthouse) !
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) to let all you CIM folks know...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) that there is a SERIOUS problem with the HMI programs...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) WINCIM and DOSCIM...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) and MACCIM apparently.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) sigh
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) a!
(12-4,Denis) Better?
(12-15,Don D.) sigh
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Anyone who is locked up...
(12-27,Michael B. Harkness) no
(12-28,Helen S/CHANNELING) Yes, Denis!
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) can clean it up by exiting the forum and re-entering.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Denis...lets try again.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) ga
(12-4,Denis) Ok...
(12-4,Denis) I read somewhere that headaches can be caused...
(12-4,Denis) by too quick a re-entry in the physical...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-4,Denis) I experiences this when I was awaken by a...
(12-4,Denis) sudden noise 
(12-4,Denis) Sorry 
(12-15,Don D.) I don't know how one can control how quick or how slow
(12-15,Don D.) they re-enter their body...
(12-15,Don D.) I always wake up abruptly from my projections...
(12-15,Don D.) unless I have a false awakening. 
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Don, is that you...the guy who wrote the OOBE seminar?
(12-15,Don D.) Yes, Lance.  This IS the OBE seminar!
(12-15,Don D.) 
(12-1,Pat) !
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) I've lost track...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) I'm sorry folks...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) who is next?
(12-3,Hutch) ?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Pat is next
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Pat> GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) oops
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Hutch first
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) sorry...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) this got confusing with all the lock ups
(12-1,Pat) I have always found lucid dreams
(12-1,Pat) to be VERy different than oob
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Hutch, then Pat ten Lance
(12-3,Hutch) Who or what tells us of the higher planes? ...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) okay...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Pat> ga
(12-3,Hutch) GA
(12-1,Pat) see above 
(12-15,Don D.) Hutches question...
(12-15,Don D.) Hutch, the idea of the planes goes back about 2000...
(12-15,Don D.) years to ancient India, where the ideas and practice of...
(12-15,Don D.) yoga evolved.  It was these early yogis who discovered
(12-15,Don D.) and...
(12-15,Don D.) recorded the existence of the higher planes.  It is a very
(12-15,Don D.) old idea. 
(12-3,Hutch) Are there beings that "straddle" multiple planes like us? Not human?
(12-3,Hutch) GA
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) who is next?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Don> I think you might solve this problem for now...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) by going informal?
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) that should keep the CIMMERS from locking up.
(12-15,Don D.) Well, it is 11 Pm. Lets do it.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Folks...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) I cant recommend highly enough...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) that those of you who use HMI programs...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) ...
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) use a back up ASCII program for conferencing.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) AT least until they get this bug fixed.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) .
(12-28,Helen S/CHANNELING) .
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) thanks Helen
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) did that unlock folks?
(12-15,Don D.) Hutch>  If there are such beings, they are not physical,
(12-15,Don D.) though other animals acess the astral and mental planes
(12-15,Don D.) too.
(12-3,Hutch) I thought Seth might be one ... non-physical, for example.
(12-3,Hutch) GA
(12-15,Don D.) Sure, Seth is a great example, but his perspective is much
(12-15,Don D.) broader than ours.  he is not a single human, but many,
(12-15,Don D.) many humans all at once, and even more too!
(12-3,Hutch) Which planes would he exist on?
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) ?
(12-15,Don D.) All of them and more.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) Lance> we went informal...you can just take normal turns now
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) sorry for all the confusion.
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) cool
(12-15,Don D.) What's on your mind Lance?
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) I had a void experience
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) and I woke up 24 hours later
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Is this a common occurence?
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) In other words, I missed an entire day
(12-28,Helen S/CHANNELING) Yes, but for shorter periods of void.
(12-15,Don D.) Lance, that's pretty uncommon as far as i can tell.  Also...
(12-15,Don D.) I get the impression that your void experience is different
(12-15,Don D.) from what I describe....
(12-15,Don D.) What do you mean by "void"? Were you just out?
(12-15,Don D.) unconscious?
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) I was using the trance method
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) and I left my body
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) and I saw the hypnogogic images (they looked like
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) computer icons)
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) and that's all I remember
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) I went to bed at 8pm
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) and I woke up at 8pm the next day
(12-15,Don D.) Lance, you blacked out completely.  This is NOT what the
(12-15,Don D.) void is....
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Very Strange!
(12-4,Denis) Lance> Wow! A real missed-the-exam dream! 
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Fortunately it was on a Sunday
(12-15,Don D.) It sounds to me like you fell asleep after you saw the
(12-15,Don D.) hypnogogic images, and that you were very tired and slept
(12-15,Don D.) a long time...
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) I guess, but I had no reason to be tired
(12-15,Don D.) At any rate, what you did experince sounds really good.
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) It was interesting, but a bit strange
(12-4,Denis) Lance> That was some trance! I think some advanced yogis are able to do that too
(12-15,Don D.) Well, i want to say one last thing pertaining to the
(12-15,Don D.) conference...
(12-15,Don D.) If anyone had questions that didn't get answered, please
(12-15,Don D.) feel free to write me.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) sorry i'm late..hello don and all. i surely do have a question.
(12-4,Denis) Lance> Did you feel hungry or thirsty when you woke up?
(12-15,Don D.) What isit Melody?
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Hungry, and very disoriented.  My housemate didn't know
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) what was going on...
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) i am not sure what the subject matter was here tonight..but maybe you can help with this psychic energy ...
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) that pops into my head and out of my mouth.
(12-15,Don D.) I don't understand, Melody.
(12-1,Pat) I think i know what u r
(12-1,Pat) saying---does this upset u?
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) example..i meet a total stranger on the beach..i ask to see his palm. i don't read palms...
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) i hold his hand and tell him i cannot pick up ANYTHING about him...
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) except that his mother breeds dogs in Virginia.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) his mouth drops. I don't know how I knew.  This happens about 6 times a year.
(12-4,Denis) Lance> Yogis are said to be able to slow down their metabolism so as to appear dead. I suspect
(12-4,Denis) you inadvertently did something similar
(12-2,Wolff) Reguly Melody?
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) no..in waves...it stops...it comes...2 weeks..then nothing...a month...then nothing..like that.
(12-2,Wolff) Mmmmmmm
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Denis> I guess that's possible, although I know nothing
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) about yoga
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) It would have been by pure luck
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) Then of course everything told to me from this Native American bout me being a Shaman..
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) folks...
(12-2,Wolff) sonds like you are having uncontroled channeling sperts
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) is coming to fruition..signs at every turn..tangible ones, too.
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) I need sleep 
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) you all have fun!
(12-11,Rilla/Moderator) hugs around!!
(12-15,Don D.) Bye Rilla.
(12-4,Denis) Good night Rilla!
(12-25,Becky) Nite Rilla
bye rilla!
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) g'/nite rilla
(12-1,Pat) Melody>then maybe u need to go
(12-1,Pat) with the flow
(12-2,Wolff) Bye Rilla see you later say hi to D> for me
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Seeeyyyaaahhh Rilla
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) hard to go with the flow when the waters run still and then start to swirl.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) i need guidance to get in touch with my spirit guides..that is what this is all pointing too.
(12-2,Wolff) Have you focust on the energy when it happens?
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) any suggestions?
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) What happened to the dream projection talk?
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) don't have time to focus..i close my eyes..feel an inner energy/heat..then I speak..it happens very fast.
(12-2,Wolff) good that tells me somthing
(12-5,Lance K. Campbell) Don? Are you still answering questions?
(12-25,Becky) Don, I'm new with OBOE and am still having trouble.  I can't seem to connect.  Wish I knew what I'm doing wrong or just more
(12-25,Becky) practice.!!!
(12-2,Wolff) Tell me in more detail one expereance
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) i speak to a doctor's secretary on the phone. she is pregnant. 2nd time. 1st time she lost the baby.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) so no one in the office talks about the current pregnancy.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) in her last trimester..close to her due date..i feel it safe to ask how she is.
(12-2,Wolff) Empathic
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) she says fine..she has had an ultra sound..(this is by phone)...I tell her it is a girl, right?.//
(12-28,Helen S/CHANNELING) Gotta run. Bye.
(12-21,J & C & A) Hi Everyone, Three of us are together, coming to you live from woodstock
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) right, she says...I then say..out of the blue..So you picked a name..right. Right.
(12-2,Wolff) you seem to sense strong feeling about peaple who you are in
(12-2,Wolff) contact with
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) I say WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW THE NAME YOU CHOSE?
(12-2,Wolff) and?
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) she says  uh uh..hesitatitng...I say confident as the midnite stars...ALEXANDRA.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) she says who told you. I say no one.
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) She freaks out when she sees me next. Like that.
(12-2,Wolff) you pick up strong emotion tell me a nother please
(12-1,Pat) Melody> have you been doing this
(12-1,Pat) long, like years?
(12-2,Wolff) somthing with low emotion
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) when i was a little girl...then i just focused on
       my music..now it is coming back..my 8 year old daughter is very
(12-17,Melody M. Pierson) strong at this.
bye

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