Area : META_UFO
Date : Nov 13 '95, 13:42
From : Clark Hathaway, 1:106/333
To   : ALL
Subj : Demonic ETs


* Forwarded From UFO
* Originally By: Ben LaCount
* Original Date: 11-11-95
* Original Subj: Dr. Turner/Demonic ETs
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According to Dr. Karla Turner, who has worked with over 400 abduction
cases and has written the book "Into the Fringe", says if abduction
accounts can be believed and there is confirmation of many of these
facts with other researchers - the abduction phenomena includes some
of the following details: from -UFO Universe, Spring 1993. Aliens -
Friends or Foes by Dr. Karla Turner:

   - Aliens can alter our perceptions of our surroundings.

   - Aliens can control what we think we see. They can appear to us
     any number of guises and shapes.

   - Aliens can be present with us in an invisible state and can make
     themselves only partially visible.

   - Abductees receive marks on their bodies other than the well-known
     scoops and straight-line scars. These other marks include single
     punctures, multiple punctures, large bruises, three-and four
     fingered claw marks, and triangles of every possible sort.

   - Female abductees often suffer serious gynecological problems after
     their alien encounters, and sometimes these problems lead to
     cysts, tumors, cancer of the breast and uterus, and to
     hysterectomies.

   - A surprising number of abductees suffer from serious illnesses
     they didn't have before their encounters. These have led to
     surgery, debilitation, and even death from causes the doctors
     can't identify.

  -  Abductees often encounter more than one sort of alien during
     an experience, not just the greys. Every possible combination
     of grey, reptoid, insectoid, blond, and widow's peak have
     been seen during single abductions, aboard the same craft or
     in the same facility.

   - Abductees report being scoffed at, jeered at, and threatened by
     their alien captors. Painful genital and anal probes are
     performed... Unknown fluids are injected into some abductees.

   - Abductees-"virgin" cases- report being taken to underground
     facilities where they see grotesque hybrid creatures, nurseries of
     hybrid humanoid fetuses, and vats of colored liquid filled with
     parts of human bodies.

   - Abductees report seeing other humans in these facilities being
     drained of blood, being mutilated, flayed, and dismembered, and
     stacked, lifeless like cords of wood. Some abductees have been
     threatened that they, too, will end up in this condition if they
     don't co-operate with their alien captors.

  -  Aliens come into homes and temorary remove young children, leaving
     their distraught parents paralyzed and helpless. In cases where a
     parent has been able to protest, the aliens insist that "The
     children belong to us."

   - Aliens have forced ther human abductees to have sexual intercourse
     with aliens and even with other abductees while groups of aliens
     observe these performances. In such encounters, the aliens have
     sometimes disguised themselves in order to gain the cooperation of
     the abductee, appearing in such forms as Jesus, the Pope, certain
     celebrities, and even the dead spouses of the abductees.

   - Aliens perform extremely painful experiments or procedures
     on abductees, saying that these acts are necessary but give no
     explanation why.....Painful genital and anal probes are
     performed, on children as well as adults.

   - Aliens make predictions of an imminent period of global chaos and
     destruction. They say that a certain number of humans...will be
     "rescued" from the planet in order to continue the species, either
     on another planet or back on earth after the destruction is over.
     Many abductees report they don't believe their alien captors and
     foresee instead a much more sinister use of the "rescued" humans.

 "In every instance from this list, there are multiple reports from
unrelated cases, confirming that such bizzarre details are not the
product of a single deranged mind. These details are convincing
evidence that, contrary to the claims of many UFO researchers, the
abduction experience isn't limited to uniform pattern of events. This
phenomenon simply can't be explained in terms of cross-breeding
experiments or scientific research into the human physiology.......
Before we allow ourselves to believe in the benevolence of the alien
interaction , we should ask, do enlightened beings need to use the
cover of night to perform good deeds? Do they need to paralyze us and
render us helpless to resist? Do angels need to steal our fetuses? Do
they need to manipulate our children's genitals and probe our rectums?
Are fear, pain, and deception consistent with high spiritual motives?"
......Dr. Karla Turner.


       SOME PHILOSOPHICAL AND OTHER PROBLEMS WITH THESE MESSAGES

- While there seems to be evidence for UFO related activties as
mentioned above, perhaps there are other possible explanations. Many
UFO investigators such as Dr. Jacques Vallee and John Keel suggest
that UFO phenomena is related to belief in supernatural entities, the
paranormal, psychic, and spiritistic manifestations, etc. Many
abductees, contactees and researchers believe there is an
interdimensional or multidemensional quality to the UFO phenomena and
experiences with ET's. . Although the UFO phenomena maybe real it also
could be a holigraphic illusion or a transmorification of matter and
energy. Perhaps ET's are entities that have power to shape matter and
spirit. Some alien lifeforms seem to have an ability to shape shift
and appear and disappear. Dr. J. Allen Hyneck suggested the phenomena
appears to be more psychic than extra-terrestial and perhaps comes
from a parallel world. This also seems to be Dr. Vallee's explanation.

-Dr. Vallee also notes that there are authoritarian overtones to some
of the messages given to contactees ie. democracy is obsolete,
elections should be done away with, racist idealogies are encouraged -
some have more alien DNA etc., a New World Order is needed and will be
set up with alien help. He also believes that some kind of control
system is being set up by the UFO phenomena which challenges our
traditions and human beliefs systems. Many abductees report implants
and feel they are being manipulated for some unknown purpose that's
yet to be revealed.

- Much of the messages given to abductees and contactees seem to be
New Age in philosophical orientation and language: there are no moral
absolutes, reincarnation is taught, monistic beliefs such as a vague
"kinship with the Cosmos and it's oneness with the Universe or the
Universe as a supreme being" are common, we are being told that "we
stand on the precipice of a quantum leap forward on both a biological
and spiritual level." Man is or is becoming God...etc.

- If man is one with the cosmos or some impersonal concept of God
there cannot be a basis for truth or ethics. The impersonal, as such
is silent about such things. There is no basis for saying anything is
right or wrong if all is one with God. What you are left with is total
relativism or the arbitrary absolutes of the controllers who ever they
may be. "If All is One , good and evil are reconciled, then one can
can do nothing bad; thus Manson was only acting logically....the fact
that Manson's followers knew him as both Satan and Christ highlights
the collapse of distinctions between good and evil under moral
relativity".

- As well, finite alien creators cannot provide sufficent absolutes.
You have the same problems as pagan polytheisium - the gods are too
small to account for the creation of the universe and not good enough
to provide a basis of morals and truth. Is abducting and raping women
okay if extra-terrestials do it? Also, why all the authoritorian
overtones to some of the messages? Do they really have our best
intrest in mind or is there evidence of some kind of control system?

- There are several alien types taking credit for the creation of man
and now some contactees like Rael and Benjamine Cream are claiming to
be prophets of some messianic authority. In fact Rael is claiming to
be the new chosen "Messiah" of this age. Cream is promoting another
"messiah" he calls "Maytrea". Cream is also convinced that the
intelligences behind the crop circle phenomena are paving the way for
the soon unveiling of his messiah who will usher in a New World Order
and a New Age. Skye Ambrose, a famous abductee who was "born again" as
she said as a result her encounter with a strange "grey" type alien
with bright sparkling eyes predicted at a recent UFO conference in
Bellevue, Washington; that "evolution was entering a "peak cycle" that
will create a New Order on the planet. Polarization is occuring on
this planet to separate those who will accept the message and evolve
toward Unity and Oneness and self-realized Godhood and those who will
not not."

-Many alien prophesies to contactees of the 50's or to-day have failed
to come true or appear to be outright lies.

- So what are we dealing with? New Age aliens with some promise of a
golden age or some unimaginable deception to enslave undescerning
minds. The evidence seems to point to the latter. There have been many
false messianic claims and those foolish enough to repeat history by
following the voices of deceiving entities have been warned to "beware
of false prophets and Christs who come disguised as sheep but
underneath are ravenous wolves ". We should be reminded of the likes
of Adolf Hitler who not long ago promised a New Age to unsuspecting
Germans.

- Whitley Striber, in a recent issue of the monthly MUFON Journal,
Sept. 93,  states - "I've come away from this experience convinced of
one thing: if there aren't demons out there, there might as well be,
because these guys are indistinguishable from demons.
Indistinguishable. To see them, to look into their eyes, is to be less
- forever......." Striber was formerly more optomistic about the
"visitor" experience.

- Perhaps we should heed the old warning; 'If, anyone says to you
then, "Look, here is the Christ" or, "He is there", do not beleive it;
for false Christ and false prophets will arise and produce great signs
and portents, enough to deceive even the chosen , if that were
possible."

- Some UFO researchers suggest that perhaps the so called 'aliens'
aren't much of a threat, after all if they have been around for this
long and have not taken over then why should we be concerned. However,
if they are not what they appear to be, and the phenomena has other
potientials and realities which include: deception, false messianic
claims, dangerous ideologies, the formation of cults, etc., then for
historical, social and political reasons we should not abandon our
need for discernment and caution.

References

 1. The Fellowship, by Brad Steiger.
 2. Ibid pp. 47
 3. Ibid pp. 185
 4. The Messages Given To Me By The Extra-terrestials -Rael
 5. Operation Trojan Horse- John Keel pp. 200-232
 6. Dimensions- Dr. Jacque Vallee
 7. Transformation The Breakthrough- Whitley Striber pp. 180, 240.
 8. Messengers of Deception- Dr. J. Vallee. Last chapter.
 9. UFO'S in the New Age- William M. Alnor  , Baker Book House 1992.
10. Matthew 7:15-20
11. Matthew 24: 23-28, 1 John 2:18-23, 1 John 4:1-6, 1 Thess 2:1-12.
12. Teachings of the Pleadians- Bringers of the Dawn.
13. Understanding the New Age- Russell Chandler, Word Publishing, 1988.
14. Deuteronomy 18:9-22.


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