(3-7,Lightning) | hey
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Hey, Lightning
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | Ok to listen in
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Welcome Garry
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | thanks
(3-7,Lightning) | Hey Garry
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | I from scotland
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Great, Garry
(3-7,Lightning) | Stonehendge
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | Have you ever been in contact with one
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Not me. I wouldn't know what to do.
(3-7,Lightning) | Niether have I. But I imagine contact to be like
| a good trip.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I imagine it to be a bit scary.
(3-7,Lightning) | Cool. Have any of you seen the Rosewell films?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I only saw the one on Fox. Both times.
| It was pretty neat.
(3-3,M.J.) | Yes, long ago.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | I have seen one
(3-7,Lightning) | I thought it was quite the film. Did you think
| it was all true?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Well, it looked like an alien to me.
| What did you think?
(3-3,M.J.) | Garry-What did you see?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | me and my friend
| On the a70 road
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Go ahead and describe what you saw, Garry.
| What did it look like?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | the story was in the fortean times
(3-3,M.J.) | Garry-I am sorry-I do not understand.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | The Fortean Times is a U.K. magazine, M.J.
(3-3,M.J.) | Thanks.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I think it's possible to get it in the US.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | black in color 35 ft wide
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Did it make any sound?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | floating 20ft above the road
| no sound
(3-3,M.J.) | Any energy level changes around you?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Wow. What shape was its outline?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it dropped a shimmering beam of light in front
| of the car
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | M.J. - you said you had a sighting a long time ago?
| Oops, sorry Garry
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it was in three parts top midd bottom
(3-3,M.J.) | I saw Rosewell long time ago. But
| enterested because of something
| that happened when I was a kid.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it has stuffed my whole life up
(3-3,M.J.) | Garry-Are you saying the craft appeared to
| have 3 sections?
| Garry-Hard to deal with. Are you ok?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | don'T know what to belive in yes
(3-3,M.J.) | Understood.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Maybe being cautious about what to believe in,
| is a healthty condition Garry.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | you tell people but they don't belive you
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | What is the subject of discussion?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | UFO sightings, Bill.
(3-3,M.J.) | My own hubby shakes his head at me.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry was telling us about one he saw.
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | thanks
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i wish they could live in my shoes
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | I have never seen one - have you?
(3-3,M.J.) | Not UFO.
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | hello
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | M.J. what was it you saw as a kid?
(3-3,M.J.) | More of a strange episode when I was
| around 5.
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | what happened?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | What was the experience?
(3-3,M.J.) | Everyone has certain quirks.
| When I was a kid
| one morning I woke up
| no clothes on
| and my sheets folded neatly at the edge of
| the bed.
| I CANNOT SLEEP without
| clothes on.
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | strange!
(3-3,M.J.) | I have sheets and blankets over my head
| even in the summer.
| No strange sex in the family.
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | It must get hot
(3-3,M.J.) | Nope.
| Have a deep small scar on one of my fingers.
| No one knows how I got it.
| At least once a year
| feel that a presence is in my room.
(3-4,Bill Anderson) | this is too spooky for me - see ya!
(3-3,M.J.) | Cannot move but wide awake
| and feel that I am being discussed.
| By Bill.
| Either real intense dreams or something else.
| May never know.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Is your feeling about this "discussion" a good
| or bad one?
(3-3,M.J.) | Neither. Just a matter of fact. I think.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | we went under hypnosis seen strange stuff
(3-3,M.J.) | That took guts Garry.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry was it different under hypnosis?
| More details, I mean?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | seen small creature's and big ones 7 feet
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Does hypnosis help you to remember?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Wow!
(3-3,M.J.) | What is the best visual of what they looked
| like. Such as face-hands-whatever.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I wonder if it would help me to remember some
| dreams I have been having.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | saw a brown one old as time the big ones are
| bright white
| i saw it come out a pool of gel
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Sort of like the movie, Fire In the Sky...
| when that guy who
| was abducted came out of that pod and was
| covered in slime
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i saw other people there
(3-3,M.J.) | Fire in the Sky was intense.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Could you communicate with those other
| people?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | don'T CARE IF YOU TAKE THE PISS i am tellng
| you the true acount
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | No problem with your account, Garry
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | This is an experience of yours Gary?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I have heard of some similar to yours.
| This old alien -- would you say it was humanoid?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it has destroyed my life
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | What did they do to you?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it had brown folds of skin like contours on
| a map
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | The one I saw was brown, too.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry - it has not destroyed your life... YET...
| Your life is ahead of you.
| You can choose what to do with it.
| Sorry, I didn't mean to preach a sermon.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich, when & where did you see one?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | In a dream. I explained it to Shari Adamiak.
| She thinks it is a childhood memory.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it said to me i have a life like you but
| diffrent things
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | happen to us too but what has to be done will
| be done it said it in my head
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | When it said "what has to be done will be done"...
| do you think it was talking about you...
| or about something else?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | my computer keeps bleeping
| why
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | You are probably picking up some line noise.
| Due to the long distance.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | ok
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich - my wife had a dream of meeting one of
| these guys...
| She went under hypnosis...
| and discovered it was more than a dream...
| lots more detail there to recover...
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i was in hospital and of my work for a month
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | My dream was so real. And the circumstances
| surrounding it are puzzling me.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry - a medical hospital? You were
| physically affected?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | yes
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | How are you now? OK, I hope?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | tying to find out why i saw
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Did they tell you why they chose you?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | why i was taken
| no
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | yes?
| I wonder if it is random
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | There are a lot of things they don't explain.
| They are not interested in telling us what
| they are up to.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I wish they would. They do explain to some
| people.
| Maybe it depends on the race of alien.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i know they will be back they told me that
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Some people feel like they are being treated
| more like cattle...
(3-16,Penguin) | Bob, do they answer questions put to them by
| than human beings.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Garry: that is interesting. You should
| read a document that is posted either here,
| or in the UFO forum. It is about going under
| hypnosis to have the hypnotist put
| suggestions into your mind as to what you
| will say, ask them, look for, etc, when you
| get taken again.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | it was trying to make me under stand
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | What troubles you the most about your
| experience, Garry?
| There is an abduction researcher/therapist,
| Derrell Sims, who has tried programming some
| people as to what they will...
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i remember alot with out hypnos
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | do when abducted... with some success.
(3-3,M.J.) | Have to go. Wish I could be more helpful
| Garry.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Some of the results were very fascinating.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Sorry you have to go, M.J., have a good one.
| Garry did the hypnosis help at all, with what
| the being was...
| trying to make you understand?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | why they want to come here i don't know
| must be off there heads
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | LOL!
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Bob, the one that I saw was fairly short,
| had the large head, which was large at the
| top, narrow at the chin. The body was
| interesting, it was very thick, it almost
| looked built or muscular.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i an not frightened anymore
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Hmmm. The ones I was thinking of are very
| tall and angular.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I remember being so terrified.
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | Those sound like mine.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry I approve of your attitude very much,
| I think the important thing is to HAVE NO FEAR.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I read that they get a high from out fear.
| They like to frighten us.
| Some of them do, anyway.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | very skinny translucent
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Someone has estimated from different reports,
| that there could be up to 70 kinds of aliens,
| visiting earth.
| Have no idea why.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I wouldn't doubt it.
(3-16,Penguin) | Bob, is there any defense against these
| intrusions? are they physical or
| mental (as in a dream)?
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | Hello. I just got here. The ones you
| describe, Bob, sound like mine.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Penguin, there are both kinds.
| Some abductions are clearly OBEs,
| some are obviously physical.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I think they know of the coming earth
| changes...the changes that I read about
| anyway. I don't know if I fully
| believe it or not.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | fear is understanding and the more you do
| it the stronger you become
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry I believe you are right.
(3-16,Penguin) | I don't follow, Garry
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | DreamCatcher, what did yours look like?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | waiting
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | The one that I was looking at seemed very
| emotionless. It just stared blankly at me
| as the others took me away.
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | Taller than me, no hair. Angular features.
| Big eyes, kind of slanted, but not huge like
| the ones in movies.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | DreamCatcher's seem different than the ones
| we have seen. Much friendlier.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | The one my wife met was not UNfriendly...
| sort of neutral.
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | Yes they are. Rich & I talk a lot online.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | One thing many contacts have in common...
| is people being told of something disastrous...
| to happen in our near future.
| Anybody have a comment on that?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they are here all ready
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | Mine are friendly & polite. The only thing
| they ever told me ( that I remember ) is that
| they wanted my knowledge.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | DreamCatcher, that seems like a strange wish
| to me...
| what do you know that they don't?
(3-16,Penguin) | Do you think they are trying to warn us - or
| invade us?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I read CSETIs report on the field work in
| Mexico. They talked to two little girls who
| claim that they met an alien.
| The alien told them that New York City would
| soon have a
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | i think they live in the silver mines in
| bath gate
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | war going on there. The interesting thing
| is that the girls had NO IDEA what
| New York was.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | They are not trying to invade us Penguin,
| they are already here.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Who does?
| The Pleiades tell us, through channelling
| (if that can be believed or not, I don't
| know) that they do have sinister plans for
| humanity.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | The Pleiadians do, Rich?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Yes. Have you read the channellings by
| Barbara Marciniak?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Yes, I have read them, didn't get anything sinister from them though.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Maybe I missed that part.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I can quote to you the part where she says
| they plan on forming diplomacy with our
| governments, with ulterior motives in mind.
| They are trying to control us with fear.
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | What do you think there purpose is, Bob?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I have Bringers of the Dawn and that other
| one Earth something-or-other
| both by Marciniak
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Oh..I read "Pleiadians-book"
| and various other transcripts of her
| channellings.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | stealer's of you mind
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | There seem to be two groups...
| One is benevolent...
| the other is less so...
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Yes....and the renegade group
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | more into control.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I wonder if the Pleiadians can be trusted?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they seem to be hiding fom something
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I don't exactly trust them...
| just kind of waiting to see what they are up to.
(3-3,Sixtus) | you guys have been contacted/abducted?
(3-13,DreamCatcher) | Garry, why did you say "stealers of your
| mind"?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they call here sanctuary
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Their motivation seems to be for a good
| cause. They admit openly that they try to
| trick us and not tell us the whole truth,
| on occasion.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Sanctuary for us or for them?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | them
| we are more advanced
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Sixtus, some of us have & some haven't.
| I haven't.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | The earth is supposed to be the library of
| the universes - a place where information
| is kept and transmitted
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I don't know if I have. I Just had a very
| interesting dream.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich I have kind of a hard time with the
| library idea...
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they need us
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | but anything is possible I guess.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | In what way?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Well, it doesn't look like a library to me.
| Just kidding.
(3-3,Sixtus) | Ive had dreams about them too, but I don't
| know if thats from reading the books or
| watching stuff like Sightings
(3-16,Penguin) | What kind of a library, Rich?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I honestly don't know what their motives are.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Bob, what do you think about the idea that
| our DNA is transforming from double helix,
| to 12 strand?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they come and you think you are dreaming
| or going daft
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich I have seen that in a LOT of different
| books not just Marciniak.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I know that my experience was a dream..BUT,
| I am told that it might be a childhood
| memory that is surfacing. I don't know
| what to believe.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I think they think on a different wavelength
| than our normal waking consciousness
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Who are some other reliable channellers?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | but you can tell when they come you know
(3-3,Sixtus) | me too, Rich. As far as that library idea
| goes, I would say a biological one
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Biological - that's a good way to put it.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Yes, that is what I meant, sixtus :)
(3-3,Sixtus) | hence the cattle thing
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | The book "you are becoming a galactic human"
| by Sheldon Nidle...
| has a lot about the 12 strand DNA thing.
| I have 2 or 3 more which discuss it also...
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Where would I find that book?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | unfortunately my computer is far from my
| bookshelves.
(3-3,Sixtus) | basically, I think Earth is more of a Petri
| dish to them
(3-2,Rich Anderson) |
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich you can get it in any new age type
| bookstore.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they said my brain was 33 per but it is
| capped but we are very strong uncapped 100
(3-7,Gareth) | Rich, I thought you were referring to
| genetic memory as a library?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Bob, maybe you can help me figure something
| out about the circumstances around my dream.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Willing to try.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I don't follow, Garry?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | The idea that our brain power has been
| intentionally limited...
| keeps recurring in a lot of the alien
| channeled books.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Gareth, that too. They also refer to earth
| as being a place where light frequencies
| and energies are easily transmitted.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I can't say whether it is or not.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | yes they can do that to make you stronger
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I read that too. 5 - 8 percent is all we use.
(3-3,Sixtus) | the biological library idea could tie into
| the increased visitations. Think about it;
| they seem to be coming more and
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I agree, six
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | If we were operating at 100%, maybe we would
| be equal to the aliens.
| Or more than equal.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | we are stronger
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | maybe they worry about that.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Ok, bob. Before this dream, it was just a
| normal day. I had slept in until about 2 in
| the afternoon.
| At around 7 PM, I suddenly felt EXTREMELY
| tired. Every ounce of energy was gone.
| I almost fell to the floor and slept there.
| I managed to make it to my bed and fell
| asleep immediately (it usually takes me an
| hour or more).
| That is when I had this dream.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | when you sleep you are open
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | to what?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | They can do that, you know. Make you want
| to fall asleep. Especially when they have
| some business with you. Your normal
| consciousness gets in the way.
| They don't think on that band.
(3-16,Penguin) | What do you mean by "open"?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | It did seem like a dream. But another
| strange part about it is, I woke up with a
| jolt, like I had just been dropped back
| on my bed. But all I had was a dream..
| because I was a child in the dream.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | you can tell were they all are hurts your
| head
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | What hurts your head
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | them
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich maybe you saw yourself as a child
| because it was necessary to get some
| message across from that viewpoint.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | My head was all right.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I don't know what message, of course
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Bob, maybe. I am considering my experience
| to be "just a dream" because I had been
| doing a ton of research on ufology, and I
| think it was just my mind manifesting all
| that I had read. Although, it could be that
| all the reading I had done on the subjet
| triggerred this memory.
| I have no idea.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Do you write down your dreams?
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they are something [real] like you and me
| stop thinking about ufos and ailens think
| past thatthis is a culture
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I never remember my dreams. I remembered 3
| in a row. all were ET in nature. The last
| one was about the contact I made with them.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Garry I can understand that they have a
| culture...or ARE a culture.
| Why do you think this viewpoint is better?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I remember that my mother was in the kitchen
| with me when I saw the one peering in at me
| through the porch door. The door is made
| mostly of glass so I could see the whole body
| of this creature.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich maybe hypnosis would allow you to
| explore these dreams better.
| It costs bucks, though.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I screamed for my mother to look at what I
| was looking at..but she had either fallen
| asleep or had been taken. I felt something
| touch my neck and I was paralysed. I fell
| back into the waiting hands of other aliens
| - it felt like hundreds of hands. They then
| carried me off and I dont remember any more.
| The one alien watched the entire time, not
| making any expressions or movements.
(3-19,GARRY WOOD) | they can move in our space here at the same
| timebut diffrent
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | For anyone who is considering hypnosis, I can
| tell you that really...
| good ones with PhDs & stuff after their name...
| will run about $70 an hour...
| The ones with fewer letters...
| maybe as low as $40 an hour...
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I would like to try...but I am not a true
| believer in it.
(3-12,DreamCatcher) | What if you can't be hypnotised?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Lots of people think they can't be hypnotized.
| It is only true for a very very few.
| I always figured I couldn't be hypnotized...
| but I found somebody who managed it.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | How about self-hypnosis or meditation?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich I think they are good too,
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Bob, what got you interested in ufology?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | but sometimes it helps to have another party...
| directing the experience.
| Rich I have been into it since a teenager,
| which was LONG ago.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I would love to find out what happened to me
| after I blanked out
| Not long for me. I am only 21.
(3-12,DreamCatcher) | I just have this trust problem that won't
| allow me to let go completely.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | DreamCatcher I can understand that.
| You don't want someone else in control of you.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Ive seen ufos- and entities involved with
| them.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Where did you see them, Joy?
(3-21,Joy Barish) | In the area in south eastern Mass here
| (20miles from Boston)re our town Sharon
| between 88 and 92.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I am in the minority tonight, as a
| non-experiencer myself.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | how long ago, Joy?
(3-7,Gareth) | Me too:(
(3-12,DreamCatcher) | Bob, have you ever seen a UFO?
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Me, too.....at least consciously.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I don't think I have either. I think I just
| had a strange dream. I need proof before
| I believe something completely.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Between 88 and 92! plus odd phone calls and
| poltergiest events. The big ufo was
| June 24 70. Its in the appendix of Ray Fowlers
| Interplanetary Visitors.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Only faraway lights in the sky, DreamCatcher
| Maybe something, maybe nothing.
| Joy is that book still available?
| I haven't seen it.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Joy, I'm reading John Mack's book on
| abductions, and his first case was located
| in that area, I think.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Who were the phone calls from? "government
| officials"?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | My wife went to a talk by John Mack just
| today & met him in person.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Was that in colorado?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Yep, Fort Collins
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Really!!!! I'd love to do that!
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | ya....I wanted to go to that.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | He is a great guy in person.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | His book is fascinating....
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Shari Adamiak is going to be a speaker there
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | He seems very caring and he really LISTENS
| to what you say.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I'm supposed to be in Colorado Springs next
| week - is he doing any other talks in the
| area?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | If he is Debbie I don't know of it.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Figures.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy? You still there? I was asking about
| Fowler's book.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I'm planning on doing regression myself
| soon, and I'd love to talk to him about it.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | I dont know. I think it was apaper back years
| . ago . Mine is hard back 74. The ufo
| though is not totally desdfibed init and there
| are some errors re the hgue dark foot
| ball shape-that hugn 30 or 40 feet inthe air
| surrounded- by balls or spheres from ,
| which emanated huge funnels of brilliant
| blinding lights - all diff.colors.It was
| bhehind. a tele.pole
| midnight- was alone inthe house.
| My husb. was camping in NH_ but ufos
| were seen here in. 6 by cops and others This
| is in a chapter TheSharon Ufos in
| Interplanetary Visitors.
| sorry described in it, am tired, half asleep
| and tv is blaring.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Interplanetary Visitors? I will look for the book.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I haven't seen that one...
(3-7,Gareth) | I think I`ve seen a photograph of that UFO
| somewhere.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Even if out of print, there are some good
| used book stores around here.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | It was just there suddenly n . Ihad been
| wathcing planes go by etc. behind again
| the sec. tele.pole on S.Mainre it had a thin
| yellow aura about the main (footbalL)shape too.
| Its not out now Bob- what Ive given you is
| more than what is n the apendix of Fowlers
| book. The date is wrong and something else
| too. (watching- sorry)
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | This whole ufo phenomena is so fascinating
| to me. They are here yet so many people
| don't realize it. I wish I could
| prove to the world that they are here.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich there are plenty of good photos and
| videos out there...
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I'm not convinced yet, Rich. What would you
| say to me to convince me?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | If they don't want to believe then they won't.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I want to know the truth - that's all.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | This sounds strange to say, but I am coming
| to believe that truth is a variable.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Well IVe seen them--- and they are certainly
| here.but Im inspired by J Valllees books
| not Hopkins. And very unusual material I have
| here in the house. My article,Fairies..
| and the Ufo Connection in the files- has alot
| in it re.this.(Encounters- mutual ufo
| network files- and ona newbage -files too.
| (I think)
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | There is a lack of actualy, physical
| evidence, Debbie. But there are literally
| thousands of reports by VERY credible
| witnesses.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy - did you say you aren't impressed by Budd Hopkins?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | What do you mean, bob?
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I guess I'm afraid of wanting to believe too
| much... yeah, Bob, elaborate.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | I have thous.of cases here. But one of my
| new books Ufos Psychic Close Enconters by
| Albert Buddens (english) says- that its all
| cuased by diff. types of elec. magnetism!!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Rich, I think the nature of reality is such
| that different things are real for different
| people...
| and I don't just mean psychologically...
| I am talking about reality.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Keep going, Bob....
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I see your point, Bob.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Different people see the same event
| different ways...
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I don't, at least not yet...
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | because it can actually be different and
| still be "real".
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | But that's a perception thing, Bob.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | No Bob- I go for J Vallees- Passport to
| Magonia , Dimenisons(the seuel) | and as
(3-21,Joy Barish) | IOsaid- very unusual material I have inthe
| house like Omens of Awareness I gotin
| England years ago and Ufos an Initiated
| Account re this estoeric manu. from Ca. I
| got. more than 20 years ago --by Michael
| Topper.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I mean more than perception.
| I mean actual 3D hard reality can be
| different for different people.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Like what?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | But just talking to Shari Adamiak about her
| experience in
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | mexico, about how the ufo came so close to
| them, and communicated with them using
| light signals. there were so
| many there that saw it.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | what do you mean Bob??
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | That should be provable, then...
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Sheesh Debbie I knew you would ask that and
| I don't have a good example
| right off the bat...
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I don't mean to be a wet blanket, really....
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I guess what I mean is that reality is not
| what we think it is.
| We each create our own...
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | and most of us agree on the general details.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I just want the truth, and there's a lot of
| con men out there...
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Bob, what's your background, if I can be
| nosy?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I agree Bob. There actually is no such thing
| as reality, so the Pleiades say.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | (And I can, trust me!)
(3-21,Joy Barish) | I feel everyone should read Passport by
| Vallee and the sequel dimensions-fora
| start!!(thts my prejudice)..
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Debbie, degrees in organic chemistry,
| electrical engineering, and computer science.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Joy, where can I find those books?
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Thanks....so you understand the scientific
| method. That's heartening.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I do understand it, and use it every day.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Have you read John Mack's book? He has an
| introduction that addresses this very issue.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I can allow things that don't fit, however.
(3-7,Gareth) | Rich, what do you mean by the Pleiades?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I have read the paperback version of Mack's
| book.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I'm just learning how....my background hurts
| me, in that regard.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Ask somene ina book store Michael re Passport
| to Magonia and Dimensions the
| sequel. Theyd pro.have to order it. I cant
| find them now re Ive prob. ten thous.
| metaphsyical books here (including biogts)
| also a hobby)
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy, I agree with you on Vallee's books
| They are excellent.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | They are a race of aliens who are supposedly
| trying to help us become more spiritually
| aware, and thus transform
| from 3rd dimensional entities, to 4d.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | sorry- metaphysical- I always miss it- of all
| words!
(3-7,Gareth) | I think we all exist in 4D.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Gareth, agreement.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Rich, I have heard reports of wolves in
| sheeps clothing, so to speak, of the Pleiades.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Michael, serious? tell me more.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Beings passing themselves off as Pleiades
| to gain peoples trust.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Many of us are becoming 4d.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Well Bob you know- hmm... how he says -hwo
| the fairie abdudct people. - and they
| move i n flaps- can appear large or small ,
| play all sort sof tricksre The Secret
| Cmmonwealth by Robt Kirk-t eh 17th cent.
| clergyman. Ive been to Aberfoyle butnot
| his grave. I have a copy of Secret
| Commonwealth -from London year ago.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy - you must have a TON of books.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Gareth IVe had cosmic consciousness and Ihave
| a news foryou- 'we" dont exist at
| all- at least as we think we do.!!
(3-6,:Jim/MUFON/SL) | Joy lives in a library!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy has more books than anyone -- I am
| very envious.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Bob this house is a library-!! Have thous.of
| them from Eng.and here.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Joy, or maybe we exist *more* than we
| think we do?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Michael, that is possible. Anything is
| possible. But what they do teach us is
| very positive. Things that can help
| anyone to accept him/herself. They may be
| doing it to gain our trust, but who cares,
| I like what they preach.
(3-7,Gareth) | We all exist in SpaceTime ie 3 physical
| dimensions ( Up, Down and Along)
| We also exist for a length of Time
| (the 4th dimension).
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Well I am trying to catch up on the books.
| I have a good start.
(3-21,Joy Barish) | Not really Michael!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Gareth are you familiar with the theory of
| n-dimensional spaces?
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Rich, the real Pleiades, yes, I agree.
| But not the *Others* who
| pass them self off as them.
(3-7,Gareth) | Yes. I think they also exist.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Joy, why not?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Michael, who do you think are the "real"
| pleiades? the renegade group of them?
(3-21,Joy Barish) | When I had cc- I realized what the Hindus
| meant by maya-- there iis book not ufo-
| Conquest of Illusion! by (I cant thinkof
| his name)
| Van de Vilde? is close(Icant now
| and this explains life- exactly. I cant find
| it NOW or Id give a year andpublisher- its
| veryold re 60s 70s??
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Maya translates to illusion, yes?
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Joy, reading books is fine, but there is
| a much more important
| source of information.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I am, Bob. Why?
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Rich, I'm not sure I understand the
| second part of your question.
| sorry Debbie, Why what?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Michael, I mean that there are 2 groups of
| Pleiades. The "pure" (I cant remember
| exactly what they are called) and
| the renegades.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Why did you mention n-dimensional spaces?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I mentioned them because we were talking
| about a 4th dimension...
| and the theory allows for an infinite number
| of dimensions.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Rich, it all boils down to the personal
| interractions for each person. What does
| your inner voice tell you. Is it positive or
| negative? That will tell you what group
| you are dealing with.
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | I have only read channelings by B.J
| Marciniak on Pleiades
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Michael, I'm not sure I trust my inner
| feelings enough to know when an alien is
| fooling me or not.
| I'm a sucker for used car salesmen.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Me, too, Bob - that's why I'm skeptical.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I understand Debbie -- I hate to commit
| myself on these things,
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Bob, that is one of the things we are all
| beginning to learn. We have to develop our
| listening ability to our inner selves. It
| never lies to us.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | because I have made too many mistakes already.
| Michael, I just simply cannot tell if my
| "feelings" lie to me or not.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I guess I'm just afraid of being too much of
| a pushover for stuff....
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | We have to go beyond what our ears and
| eyes tell us, and listen with our hearts.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Same here.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I don't know how to resolve the question.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Bob, a simple question if you think about
| it. Don't you *know* when something you are
| being told is really *Truth*?
(3-2,Rich Anderson) | Michael, have you been into ufology for very
| long?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Michael, that is precisely my problem.
| I don't know.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Michael, you must be in better touch with
| your inner self than I am.
| I admit that I'm not very good at that.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Rich, yes and no. Interested for a long
| time, but thrust into it recently.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | has anyone seen my piece on the unusual
| 'ufo" in London a few years ago re the
| flippety jig object(I dnt know waht to callit
| really)in- Alvert Buddens book Ufos
| Psychic Close Encounrters??
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy, I wanted to talk to you about that thing
| the guy saw.
| I can't figure out what it was.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | sure Bob!!
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | What did who see, Bob?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Joy posted a message about a very strange
| construction...
| that a guy in London saw.
| It was in the air I think, not very big...
| How am I doing, Joy?
(3-26,Penguin) | Bob, are these beings from our future - are they
| aliens or time travelers from
| the future coming back to help/warn us?
(3-8,lis) | well, joy ???
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Penguin, some of them claim to be,
| including one of the Pleiadian groups.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Bob, I haven't read that...
(3-18,Joy Barish) | NEITHER CAN I . It had all those sails
| propellers revovlign parts- re what Iwas
| tryingtoget adross was that if they are some
| alien (hard ware) technology from outer
| space as the majority of people think- what n
| Gods name was this?? More a fairyish
| thing I should l say. Ive been to that area
| across the Thames- many many times...
| and - if we go back thi s Fall Im headed for
| that area. Its near Royal Festival Hall
| across the Thames. Been??
(3-26,Penguin) | Then who is driving the UFO's?
(3-8,lis) | debbie, where would you read it
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Good question, lis.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I think it was something not entirely in
| this dimension, Joy...
| especially since other people didn't notice it.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | Yes it was jsut a few feet- with all these re
| volvintg parts on it- onlyhe could see it re
| this guy Rowland?? Id have to lookitup. Its
| in Ufos Psychic Close Encounters by
| english man Albery Buddens who thinks all
| ghosts ufos fairies are all forms of elecric
| magnetism. Alot of fascinating cases in said
| book.
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I saw a photo a gal showed me which had a
| similar construction in it...
(3-18,Joy Barish) | Oh Roy Rowlands re he worked for London
| Weekend Television..!! it was a
| summer - AB has no year!!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | it was not there for her, until the film was
| developed.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | where????Bob??
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | A woman in the rocky mountains took a
| picture of some scenery...
| and when it was developed there was this
| strange gadget...
| sort of like your description.
| She showed me the picture.
| I don't have a copy of it.
| Maybe I could get one.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | Oh I see..!! I tried toget across that these
| very peucliar ones- this to me
| personally shows that theya re fairy
| pheniomena- in theold daysin Irelandetc.
| they talked of all fantastic aerial chariots.
| But its more than fairies! of course. Did
| you see re.the little house the man in 191l
| saw in London withthe chimmeny.. and inches high
| entities in front of it?(in FSR years ago)
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | I'd love to see that, Bob!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | It looked like some Rube Goldberg device,
| I couldn't make head nor tail of what
| it could possibly be for.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | sorry folks Im wearing the wrong glasses and I
| have..a weak eye muscles. its very late.
| Yes yes- he called it Heath Robinson- same
| thing as RG.
(3-20,Debbie Hagar) | Bye, Joy! Thanks for sharing all that with
| us.....
(3-18,Joy Barish) | The fact that noone else saw it( by e Debbi)..
| shows tome that these thignsa re
| paranormal and ahve some connec.wtih us
| perosnally as Scott Rogo said in Abductions!
| oh god- things are paranormal-- !
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I wonder if some people are able to see
| things just barely outside our dimension
| which most people can't perceive.
| If so, I have to say my senses are just
| the ordinary kind.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | well it was jsut some fantasy thing Bob-- I
| ment. also this device this gtenyearold kid
| saw inthe woods of NH in 79 (Jan 4)-- very
| fantastic too-he told no one for tenyears.
| Re this is in Inter. Visitors by Fowler- too!
| Well Ive seen real beings again between 88 and
| 92 inthe Sharon Triangle
| here.;prob.connec. with the 70 ufo. Imnot
| that psychic- my son is but not me, hes
| had ufo type exper.as a child.(hesin Fla. now)
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Well Joy it sounds to me like I better get
| my hands on that Fowler book.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | I wish Icoudl make apic. of it- it was box
| like (black?) itha smaller box onit and had
| two antennae- with what the kid said- had
| 'silver chaff'onit -blowing- it tookoff- zig
| zagging - and there are all pics.(diagram no
| photo) in said book..and when tintothe
| sky. The little house the old manin Eng.saw
| 1911 that was like adollshosue-that
| tookoff too!! If these things exist there cant
| be conventional phys.explanations for
| reg. ufos I feel personally!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I noticed in the forum yesterday
| Nikolaus L. posted a sighting of a little
| flying box...
(3-18,Joy Barish) | there was a drawing of itin anold FSR...the
| old man reme.it alhislfieplike a dolls
| house witha chimeney!
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | but the post was in German, so probably not
| many people got it.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Bob, you read German?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | Actually he called it a "Schachtel" (satchel)
| Michael I can read it slowly, it's been 30
| years since I took German.
(3-18,Joy Barish) | well Bob some are rectangular..this thing in
| NM in the 70s the boy said nothing
| about for ten years (accord.to Fowler).. had
| like a smaller box on it that was
| smaller than the lst oner- hard to put it-
| sans drawing....
(3-2,May) | Is a "Schachtel" really a box? or is it a
| Sackage maybe?
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | "Sackage" ????
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I would translate Schachtel as Satchel
(3-26,Penguin) | May, you speak German?
(3-2,May) | Part Sack, Part Package. Sackage
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | May, is that really a word? Or are you
| pulling my leg?
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I think May is pulling our legs.
(3-2,May) | Michael
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Gotme
(3-2,May) | LOL
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | I'll try to get Nikolaus to post a
| translation, it sounded interesting.
| This flying "Schachtel" went zipping over his
| car at 200kph on the highway.
| Only a few feet off the ground.
| Well folks I haven't had dinner yet,
| think I'll ring off & take a food break.
| maybe get back on a little later.
(3-23,Michael L. Hart) | Thanks for the co, Bob !
:Bob Thrift/SL3 | See Ya! Everybody take care!
| /exit
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